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Jason Hart or Speedy Claxton. It doesn’t have to be an exhaustive search.
 
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Sherman20 said:
The program is in shambles. I want to go outside the program and feel like a splash hire is needed. But I do feel like Autry could be a wildcard and end up being a great hire, and I know you’re a fan of his. It’s hard, though, to predict. With Autry and Griff, you maintain most of the current roster and we also go ham in the portal, and that might bring some buzz for next season. But his x’s and o’s and bench coaching skills are a total unknown. I appreciate your perspective and sharing this, Bulldog.
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Keep the roster?! Why this team is awful. There isn’t one guy that would have a scholarship pre 2015
 
Scooch said:
How different would the roster be with Autry at the helm? That’s really what matters. Can he immediately get our recruiting back to where it was 10 years ago?

If not, pass.
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100 pct. Because if he were the head coach, kids want to be recruited by the head coach and that’s not happening right now. And some guys love to recruit. Red is one of those guys
 
Bulldog04 said:
I can’t even tell you how truly different it would be with Red. He’s not a JB disciple. Gmac is. Autry is not. He’s his own man and he knows the game and schemes way more than anyone knows
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This is the best thing I’ve read in a while. Thank you.
 
Bulldog04 said:
100 pct. Because if he were the head coach, kids want to be recruited by the head coach and that’s not happening right now. And some guys love to recruit. Red is one of those guys
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I’ll take your word for it. I’ll admit I’m concerned because Hop was able to land a slew of huge recruits for JB (even in his last few years here when JB was clearly disinterested in putting in the work on the trail). I haven’t seen that from Red in similar circumstances.
 
Scooch said:
How different would the roster be with Autry at the helm? That’s really what matters. Can he immediately get our recruiting back to where it was 10 years ago?

If not, pass.
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It's pretty clear that he can't match what Mike Hopkins or Troy Weaver or even the kinds of players Rob Murphy used to pull here.
 
Red hasn’t coaches a game in his life how can people sit here and say it will work out perfectly. We have no clue what he is like as a head coach. The University will be losing money because basketball stinks right now.
 
Bulldog04 said:
I can’t even tell you how truly different it would be with Red. He’s not a JB disciple. Gmac is. Autry is not. He’s his own man and he knows the game and schemes way more than anyone knows
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And isn’t he responsible for the forwards? We have seen very little important from that spot lately. Wasn’t Benny all him?

So Red has all these ideas and schemes, but JB ignores it all and GMac is just a JB lackey? The associate head coach has zero to do with how we are playing?
 
Bulldog04 said:
I can’t even tell you how truly different it would be with Red. He’s not a JB disciple. Gmac is. Autry is not. He’s his own man and he knows the game and schemes way more than anyone knows
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Tommy Lloyd showed that a long time assistant can get things done without head coaching experience/success, but we heard the same things about Hop. His tenure at UW has them playing nearly 100% zone and recruiting the same type of players (and the same players most of the time).
 
Scooch said:
I’ll take your word for it. I’ll admit I’m concerned because Hop was able to land a slew of huge recruits for JB (even in his last few years here when JB was clearly disinterested in putting in the work on the trail). I haven’t seen that from Red in similar circumstances.
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You just nailed the elephant in the room.

People can claim that things would be different, but there is zero evidence to substantiate that claim. Plus, as you point out, Red hasn't proven to be much of a recruiter.
 
Scooch said:
I’ll take your word for it. I’ll admit I’m concerned because Hop was able to land a slew of huge recruits for JB (even in his last few years here when JB was clearly disinterested in putting in the work on the trail). I haven’t seen that from Red in similar circumstances.
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For me the call goes to Mike Hopkins first. Allow him to pick Red or Gerry as an assistant and grab someone from outside "la familia" to help bolster recruiting.

if that doesn't work, time is a flat circle...

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elimunelson said:
For me the call goes to Mike Hopkins first. Allow him to pick Red or Gerry as an assistant and grab someone from outside "la familia" to help bolster recruiting.

if that doesn't work, time is a flat circle...

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You're one of my favorite posters... but I disagree with everything in your post. ;)

I love the alumni connections of our current staff... but now that it's not working well, at all, I really think we need to go in a different direction.

And there are few people in sports I detest more than Rick Pitino. You're a Celtics fan too, right? FOR SHAME. :)
 
Of the alums, I can tolerate Hopkins because of his recruiting chops and personality. He could sell the fans on what needs to be done but I'd hope he'd get paired with an experience bench coach to help with the adjustments he needs to make on d.

I don't know / haven't seen enough of Autry's personality so trust others there. If it's him, I'll support him. I have no reason to think Gerry is positioned to do it at this point and he should run another smaller program first. He was also always rude to me in college...so I hold a grudge. Hopkins is/was a schmoozer and honestly, it works. so I'll always think highly of him.
 
Scooch said:
You're one of my favorite posters... but I disagree with everything in your post. ;)

I love the alumni connections of our current staff... but now that it's not working well, at all, I really think we need to go in a different direction.

And there are few people in sports I detest more than Rick Pitino. You're a Celtics fan too, right? FOR SHAME. :)
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We definitely agree to disagree. I'm fine with continuity...if it's continuity to a time where we were successful. I think Mike gets the Syracuse recruiting industrial complex.

To me that's a massive part of the game and understands the Syracuse basketball world. I really don't want to do a national search and end up with GERG like coach who on paper looks awesome but has no clue what the SU job entails.

Rick Pitino, NBA coach was mediocre. NBA GM he was maybe the worst ever. Had he gotten Tim Duncan...sliding doors. Of course I don't want him within 30 feet of the Boston Celtics now.

Rick Pitino, college coach sign me up. I think he's one of the very best of all time at providing a successful program. He's done it in the Big East, the ACC, the SEC. Can recruit out of a paper bag. I used to hold my nose with him and his "transgressions". At this point I really don't care anymore. If he could provide SU with 6 good seasons and get them back to where they were, sign me up.
 
richmondcuse03 said:
Of the alums, I can tolerate Hopkins because of his recruiting chops and personality. He could sell the fans on what needs to be done but I'd hope he'd get paired with an experience bench coach to help with the adjustments he needs to make on d.

I don't know / haven't seen enough of Autry's personality so trust others there. If it's him, I'll support him. I have no reason to think Gerry is positioned to do it at this point and he should run another smaller program first. He was also always rude to me in college...so I hold a grudge. Hopkins is/was a schmoozer and honestly, it works. so I'll always think highly of him.
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I'd love for Gerry to go to a Holy Cross sized school and figure out a way to turn that around. I'm not sure he'll go higher than that for his first gig but that would be a good conference for him to get his coaching chops.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Agree. And there should be one. And there will be one. Autry will be a candidate though
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If there is a REAL national search and by the word real I mean a search were they bring the top candidates then it will be even harder to sell the fan base on Red. If Wildhack is going to hire Red regardless then just do it, don't give a fake "national search" and then tell me out of all the options in the nation Red has the best resume and is the best coach for the program because there is no way that would the case in a national search.

There will be so many better options with better recruiting record and proven HC experience if you do a true national search.
 
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