ACC looking to add UConn as 16th member

[SmilinBob]

UConn reminds me of Memphis in a lot of ways and that worries me regarding any expansion...but...I agree with Btstimpy, I'd rather have UConn in the ACC than in the Big 10.

If I were the Big 10 I'd go after OU and Texas hard but if that fails I'd then switch gears and go after Kansas and UConn.

 

[sdhusky]

Oh, my story hasn't changed. You just keep trying to focus on one single sport and using it as proof that you have a national brand and a national fan base. Your responses continue to prove you have no idea what any of this means. Hell you can't even answer when was the last time your basketball fans overtook an opponents arena. You're regional. Always have been always will be.

The two big winners in CR in the NE is Penn St and Rutgers. They are making the most money. They are playing in the most prestigious FB conference. They are playing in arguably the top BB conference. SU can make the argument that the ACC is a better fit for them, but they didn't have a choice. Penn St can get in the ACC tomorrow if they want. They don't.

What does RU and Penn St have in common? Flagship universities that can drive cable subscriptions? Yes.

But Rutgers does not have a national brand. They don't have a history of winning at football. They got in because of population density.

If UCONN & KY meet on Monday, the talking heads (idiots) are going to be talking about how these are the two top BB schools and putting up graphs and stats (they could likely get from me) showing what the numbers over the last 20 years back that up. Personally, even if we win, I still think Duke/KY is ahead but it puts on the same level as UNC and KS.

 

[Moontan]

The two big winners in CR in the NE is Penn St and Rutgers. They are making the most money.

I suggest that you check the 'girls' balance sheet. They like to greatly outspend their revenue.

 

[sdhusky]

I suggest that you check the 'girls' balance sheet. They like to greatly outspend their revenue.

I meant they will be cashing the biggest checks from their conference.

The ACC and B1G both want the NY market. Both have tons of alumni in the area.

No single program will bring the NY market. Not UCONN. Not Rutgers, Not SU. Not ND. Not Michigan. Not Duke.

However, I think UCONN could help tip things in a certain direction. If we joined the ACC, if would help the ACC (and help the ACC vs. B1G in BB). Same thing if we join the B1G.

Duke and UCONN are in talks to do a mens/women anual BB game in MSG. The B1G noticed what happened at MSG last weekend.

 

[sdhusky]

Some of those numbers really stand out. The Pitt game at the Dome with a worse time slot did better than their Gameday game against Louisville. Our ratings against a Indiana crushed theirs.

Clemson at Syracuse more than doubled UConn at UCF at the same time on the same day even though they got ESPN2 and we were stuck on the U.

I was very jealous of those games and the hype surrounding them.

However, I wonder how much of it was SU and how much was the undefeated season SU was having? That game vs. Duke in the Dome was the biggest of the regular season in all of college BB this year.

UCONN spent most of the season hovering around the bottom of the top 25. If UCONN/UofL were both in the top 5, I think the ratings would have been different.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

I meant they will be cashing the biggest checks from their conference.

The ACC and B1G both want the NY market. Both have tons of alumni in the area.

No single program will bring the NY market. Not UCONN. Not Rutgers, Not SU. Not ND. Not Michigan. Not Duke.

However, I think UCONN could help tip things in a certain direction. If we joined the ACC, if would help the ACC (and help the ACC vs. B1G in BB). Same thing if we join the B1G.

Duke and UCONN are in talks to do a mens/women anual BB game in MSG. The B1G noticed what happened at MSG last weekend.

The B1g doesn't care if you bring people for the first regional final in MSG. Attendance isn't the issue, ratings are. With the huge Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio State, etc. alumni bases in NYC, the B1g would have no problem packing MSG. UConn might raise the prices on the secondary market for tickets but that does nothing for the Big Ten's revenue. Sorry.

 

[sdhusky]

Pitt and BC both have a long tradition of football success even if they have been up and down at times.

Outside of Flutie, what is BC's history? Upsetting ND on occasion?

 

[NKR1978]

I was very jealous of those games and the hype surrounding them.

However, I wonder how much of it was SU and how much was the undefeated season SU was having? That game vs. Duke in the Dome was the biggest of the regular season in all of college BB this year.

UCONN spent most of the season hovering around the bottom of the top 25. If UCONN/UofL were both in the top 5, I think the ratings would have been different.

That's why the numbers for your Florida game versus our Minnesota game are interesting. We were a top 10 and Minnesota is irrelevant in basketball. At the time of your Florida game you were ranked 12 and Florida was 15.

We have huge numbers even after we started sucking.

 

[sdhusky]

The B1g doesn't care if you bring people for the first regional final in MSG. Attendance isn't the issue, ratings are. With the huge Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio State, etc. alumni bases in NYC, the B1g would have no problem packing MSG. UConn might raise the prices on the secondary market for tickets but that does nothing for the Big Ten's revenue. Sorry.

Our game with Fl was on Dec 2.

The Duke game was in Feb.

UCONN - FL rematch will be on Saturday, I'm sure the ratings will be higher.

 

[SU2NASA]

Outside of Flutie, what is BC's history? Upsetting ND on occasion?

What's UConn's?

 

[sdhusky]

What's UConn's?

I'm not making the claim that we have a long history of success.

But, since you asked... we have more BE titles than BC and played in more BCS games. But I don't think either can claim "a long history of success"

 

[TexanMark]

I'm not making the claim that we have a long history of success.

But, since you asked... we have more BE titles than BC and played in more BCS games. But I don't think either can claim "a long history of success"

Unfortunately BC is already in the club.

 

[SU2NASA]

I'm not making the claim that we have a long history of success.

But, since you asked... we have more BE titles than BC and played in more BCS games. But I don't think either can claim "a long history of success"

Let's see, they're 13-9 in bowl games, have a claim at a national championship, and have played in two ACC championship games since they joined.

And your claim about BE titles is two that were shared, four and seven years after BC left. If you want to compare titles when you were both in conference, it's BC 1-0.

BC isn't Michigan or even Pitt or Syracuse, but to put UConn on BC's level of history in football is laughable.

 

[TexanMark]

Our game with Fl was on Dec 2.

The Duke game was in Feb.

UCONN - FL rematch will be on Saturday, I'm sure the ratings will be higher.

Ofcourse it should do great...Syracuse's game last year on F4 Saturday was the 3rd highest Viewership among all college broadcasts (to include Football) for the year. Let's see how UConn does.

I'd instruct everyone in Hartford to leave their cable boxes on...it worked for Rutgers.

 

[MikeSU02]

sdhusky I like your chutzpah. And if it were up to me, the ACC would have secured the full I-95 corridor of teams that play both football and bball (I may hate your team, but I enjoy whooping your a$$ in conference).

I don't think your claim as a national brand holds. I don't mean to diss your success because I would trade your three titles for our one in a heartbeat, but I also wouldn't trade us being in the ACC for your situation now, regardless.

You aren't in Forbes top 10 most valuable bball teams from 2014: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45ehefd/9-syracuse-orange-6/ (I'm linking to SU being #9).

Your merch/licensing sales are 53rd as of last year: http://www.clc.com/News/Rankings-Annual-2012-13.aspx (you are behind BYU, TCU, Cincy, etc. SU is 31.)

I'm not trying to poo poo your contention in totality, but UConn has a very limited football history nationally and, while you have had major success in bball over the last few decades, the decades and decades of history some of the programs have isn't there.

None of this means it can't change. You do have proximity to NYC. You look to be holding strong with Ollie. But you aren't a national brand that trumps the other options available at this point.

 

[Alsacs]

UConn has absolutely zero football history. BC may not be the greatest program of all-time they have over 630 all-time victories, have competed in 23 bowl games, have 9 college football HOFs. BC has been the game long before UConn and that is why they above UConn in football.

UConn waited till the 2000s to get into Division 1A football, and your program was given a golden ticket into a BCS league to persuade your administration to get into the game. College Football is an expensive game, and UConn thinks because you rose from a decent D-1AA team into Division 1 football you should be in the big boy conference. Many teams have earned their spots up on the food chain, but UConn was put right into the BCS by birth. Congrats you have 2 Big East titles since 2004 the same as Syracuse and we don't actually boost about our 2 conference titles.

UConn basketball brand is top 10, but that doesn't mean squat for football. If the B1G wanted UConn they would have taken them over Rutgers. If the B1G gets a Big XII team then I would expect them to be able to get 2 and call it a day. UConn's not getting into the B1G.

 

[sdhusky]

You look to be holding strong with Ollie. But you aren't a national brand that trumps the other options available at this point.

My position has always been the coaching is the key.

If Ollie is the real deal, I think UCONN will win more BB games than BC.

I know I've had plenty to celebrate since BC "won" the magic ticket and "won" CR.

With Diaco at HC, I feel pretty good that UCONN has the best FB coach in the northeast (except Penn St) and our on field results will reflect than in a year or two.

I honestly would take a season like UCF's last season over BC's last decade.

 

[NKR1978]

My position has always been the coaching is the key.

If Ollie is the real deal, I think UCONN will win more BB games than BC.

I know I've had plenty to celebrate since BC "won" the magic ticket and "won" CR.

With Diaco at HC, I feel pretty good that UCONN has the best FB coach in the northeast (except Penn St) and our on field results will reflect than in a year or two.

I honestly would take a season like UCF's last season over BC's last decade.

I'm not trying to go off topic, but why so high on Diaco? We know first hand that the P and D show was long past its prime, but there were some rumors about Diaco with us when Marrone left and I couldn't have been less enthusiastic. He's saying all the right things and brings your program out of the 90s, but recruiting to ND isn't the same as recruiting at a Syracuse or UConn.

I know he was with Kelly at Cincinnati, but those teams were known for offense and even they sit in the middle of a recruiting hot bed and OSU can't take everyone.

After GRob we would have taken Pol Pot and liked it, so I get how you're excited but just don't see it. I'd also be worried if Scott Shafer hired a guy who was fired at a prior job for embezzling thousands of dollars and then had the temerity to fight the firing.

I like our staff. But we can all admit that Kyle Flood is going to dig Rutgers into a nice deep hole when he wins 3 games next year.

 

[rrlbees]

The two big winners in CR in the NE is Penn St and Rutgers. They are making the most money. They are playing in the most prestigious FB conference. They are playing in arguably the top BB conference. SU can make the argument that the ACC is a better fit for them, but they didn't have a choice. Penn St can get in the ACC tomorrow if they want. They don't.

What does RU and Penn St have in common? Flagship universities that can drive cable subscriptions? Yes.

But Rutgers does not have a national brand. They don't have a history of winning at football. They got in because of population density.

If UCONN & KY meet on Monday, the talking heads (idiots) are going to be talking about how these are the two top BB schools and putting up graphs and stats (they could likely get from me) showing what the numbers over the last 20 years back that up. Personally, even if we win, I still think Duke/KY is ahead but it puts on the same level as UNC and KS.

Rutgers got selected because of access to cable boxes. No more no less. UConn doesn't even bring that. And for the 99th time, no matter how much your basketball team is talked about this weekend, it doesn't make you a national brand or show a national fan base. You are very myopic.

 

[sdhusky]

I'm not trying to go off topic, but why so high on Diaco?... But we can all admit that Kyle Flood is going to dig Rutgers into a nice deep hole when he wins 3 games next year.

We can agree on that last point. Rutgers is in bad shape next year.

I see alot of similarities between Ollie and Diaco. Ollie learned from Calhoun & Larry Brown, Diaco from Kelly.

Diaco is disciplined, super high energy and charismatic. He has a very, very, very specific plan that he is following.

I believed in Ollie from the beginning because you could tell early (from the win over MSU in Germany), the kids bought into what he was teaching. He reached them. I know you guys think the Kevin Durant quote about Ollie is silly and way over-the-top, but its an indication of the respect he commands.

I really think Diaco has raised the energy level to the same place Ollie has the BB energy level.

We'll see however, if that translate on the field.

Same with Ollie - can he win without Shabazz?

On a side note, its interesting that Calhoun and Larry Brown both have said that Ollie doesn't need help with the X/O's side of things which is amazing for a second year HC.

 

[rrlbees]

Outside of Flutie, what is BC's history? Upsetting ND on occasion?

Far more than UConn.

 

[sdhusky]

And for the 99th time, no matter how much your basketball team is talked about this weekend, it doesn't make you a national brand or show a national fan base. You are very myopic.

LOL. Ok, we'll have to disagree on this point.

 

[Alsacs]

We can agree on that last point. Rutgers is in bad shape next year.

I see alot of similarities between Ollie and Diaco. Ollie learned from Calhoun & Larry Brown, Diaco from Kelly.

Diaco is disciplined, super high energy and charismatic. He has a very, very, very specific plan that he is following.

I believed in Ollie from the beginning because you could tell early (from the win over MSU in Germany), the kids bought into what he was teaching. He reached them. I know you guys think the Kevin Durant quote about Ollie is silly and way over-the-top, but its an indication of the respect he commands.

I really think Diaco has raised the energy level to the same place Ollie has the BB energy level.

We'll see however, if that translate on the field.

Same with Ollie - can he win without Shabazz?

On a side note, its interesting that Calhoun and Larry Brown both have said that Ollie doesn't need help with the X/O's side of things which is amazing for a second year HC.

Recruiting 13 scholarship players is a lot different than recruiting 85 scholarship players.

Diaco may be a decent coach, but Kelly wasn't getting the same athletes at Cincinnati that he is getting at Notre Dame. Kelly at Cincinnati recruited offensive talent and outscored teams with a dominant offense and hoped to scotch tape enough talent on defense to be able to stop Big East offenses. Kelly at ND got the Tuitt's, Williams's Nix's of the world.

Ollie can recruit the 1 or 2 players he needs to be competitive in basketball as you only need a rotation of 9-10 players and UConn's basketball brand is top 10. Diaco recruiting football players to play in the AAC without automatic access to a BCS bowl will be tough. Diaco's energy level is the same as Ollie's? Okay.

Listen I get your a UConn fan and have to be optimistic, but UConn football has been given a death nail sentence. Syracuse, Boston College, Rutgers are all in power 4 leagues and they are behind Central Florida, South Florida, Cincinnati within their own conference for recruiting grounds and success. If UConn was in a power 4 conference I am sure Diaco could be decent, but playing in the AAC basically means you 10-2 record or bust and you can't play a cream puff non-conference schedule anymore.

 

[sdhusky]

UConn football has been given a death nail sentence.

I heard the same about UCONN BB. Over and over and over and over again.

I don't think this is Ollie's last FF.

The best FB team is the NE has been the one with the best coach or the one with a great QB. If Diaco can coach, he can win at UCONN. Just like Ollie.

 

[rrlbees]

LOL. Ok, we'll have to disagree on this point.

And that's why you aren't in a conference right now.