ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[WoadBlue]

Pac still might expand - will announce by end of week.

The Pac desperately needs to have teams in Central Time. The Alliance needs at least 1 school in TX. The Pac will never take religiously affiliated schools - that leaves Texas Tech. Ok St would make the natural partner, and OK St has at least as many alums living in TX as in OK.

If the Pac wishes to be 16, KU and Iowa St are available. So is K-St.

If I were the Pac, I would take TTU, TCU, Baylor and Ok St, and have a strong TX presence. The BT could have AAU schools KU and ISU.

 

[CousCuse]

Delaney has two UNC degrees. As BT commissioner, no doubt his dream would have been to land UNC for the BT. Now that he is retired, you can bet that he has more than a passing interest in the health of the ACC.

Well, once ACC teams start play at B1G stadiums and get acquainted with the AD's there, the B1G will tell a group of them , "why not join and pick up another 30-50 million a year? FSU, GTech,. Clemson and UVA would be likely targets. The SEC then comes in and takes NCSU and Vtech and the ACC ceases to exist and the GOR is good for lining bird cages.

 

[DoctorBombay]

But is it imminent!?!?

Announcement Tuesday-4 pm.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Well, once ACC teams start play at B1G stadiums and get acquainted with the AD's there, the B1G will tell a group of them , "why not join and pick up another 30-50 million a year? FSU, GTech,. Clemson and UVA would be likely targets. The SEC then comes in and takes NCSU and Vtech and the ACC ceases to exist and the GOR is good for lining bird cages.

Never happening.

it’s not good for the NFL.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Pac still might expand - will announce by end of week.

The Pac desperately needs to have teams in Central Time. The Alliance needs at least 1 school in TX. The Pac will never take religiously affiliated schools - that leaves Texas Tech. Ok St would make the natural partner, and OK St has at least as many alums living in TX as in OK.

If the Pac wishes to be 16, KU and Iowa St are available. So is K-St.

If I were the Pac, I would take TTU, TCU, Baylor and Ok St, and have a strong TX presence. The BT could have AAU schools KU and ISU.

I’ve come around that Houston will be the texas team and with okie st, that’s the no brainers.

after that I still take unlv and give BYU one more shot before they get left behind for good.

and then I’d add TCU for D-FW.

 

[Hoo's That]

We have no clue what the contract says.
If the ACC wanted to just send the worst teams every single year to ND and make ND play at Clemson and at FSU every year they could do that I am sure.
If the contract doesn’t guarantee they play each team X times. Their is stuff the ACC could and should do.

They need to rip the band aid off and I give this new commissioner a lot of credit. He isn’t weak and bending the knee to ESPN.

ND doesn’t have to join the ACC and to be honest I am so sick of their arrogance I don’t want them. I want them to have to be second fiddle to Ohio State and Michigan. They would despise it while they would get their money and be well compensated.

Every ACC school wants to play in South Bend and have ND come to their stadium. 58,200 were in Scott to watch a team that would eventually finish 4-8 play ND. We anticipate a crowd at least as large when we play them in Nov, as you can only get a ticket to the ND game by buying a season ticket.

"That dog won't hunt." You need to find another one.

 

[Hoo's That]

That could be a real problem for the ACC membership.

If ND football is considered to be ACC for scheduling purposes, the Irish will dominate meetings with USC and Stanford, and to a lesser extent, Michigan and MSU. All ACC schools will be frozen out of meeting USC (and others) because their annual game vs. ND will satisfy the requirement of one game per season vs. ACC.

Alternately, if ND is to be a true member of this alliance, can they be required to play only one PAC-12 per year--meaning they could only alternate USC and Stanford each season, thus freeing the other West Coast school to play other ACC teams?

UVa had a home and home with USC in 2008 (C'ville) and 2010 (LA). We've also had a home ands home with UCLA (2014 and 2015) and Oregon (2013 and 2016).

 

[CousCuse]

If ESPN doesn't address the disparity of the payout to the ACC in a meaningful way, the ACC will get taken apart, probably sooner rather than later. The only real leverage the ACC has to force the matter is to expand. If ESPN doesn't want to meet their contractual agreement in that event, the ACC would be free to sell to the highest bidder, and I'm sure the other networks would like to like to acquire all that content and weaken ESPN's hold on college sports.

 

[Hoo's That]

Need the Dude of WV and MHver3 to confirm

... with Tuxedo Yoda making the trifecta

 

[CousCuse]

... with Tuxedo Yoda making the trifecta

Huggins is going to win a National Championship at WVU, maybe a couple. Wouldn't you want him to win those as an ACC member?

 

[Hoo's That]

Huggins is going to win a National Championship at WVU, maybe a couple. Wouldn't you want him to win those as an ACC member?

No, he's not. No.

 

[MSOrange]

Huggins is going to win a National Championship at WVU, maybe a couple. Wouldn't you want him to win those as an ACC member?

Just noting this prediction for future reference.

 

[CousCuse]

No, he's not. No.

Your UVA snobbery gets in the way of seeing how good of a program they are, they played Baylor pretty even up last year. If it wasn't for Buddy Buckets going all Larry Bird on them, they could have got there last tourney.

Just noting this prediction for future reference.

See reply to Hoo.

 

[orange79]

Your UVA snobbery gets in the way of seeing how good of a program they are, they played Baylor pretty even up last year. If it wasn't for Buddy Buckets going all Larry Bird on them, they could have got there last tourney.

See reply to Hoo.

lol

 

[WoadBlue]

If ESPN doesn't address the disparity of the payout to the ACC in a meaningful way, the ACC will get taken apart, probably sooner rather than later. The only real leverage the ACC has to force the matter is to expand. If ESPN doesn't want to meet their contractual agreement in that event, the ACC would be free to sell to the highest bidder, and I'm sure the other networks would like to like to acquire all that content and weaken ESPN's hold on college sports.

The Alliance actually makes that more likely. Now, not just the ACC itself but also a large number of ACC schools will spend a good deal of time interacting with the BT. If ESPN decides that the ACC is going to be paid the it has been (and ACC TV viewers are far greater in number than Pac viewers and actually larger than Big 12 viewers) Fox easily could conclude that it can take over Major college sports by encouraging the BT to expand to 24, maybe even 30.

Would anybody with any hoops knowledge save UK fans watch anything but their own school and that Biggest Ten? Would anybody but SEC fans and the dwindling Pac fans watch any CFB but that Biggest Ten?

Is that crazy? Of course it is. But either ESPN will finally pay the ACC what it is worth, or the ACC will be forced to respond in some way that is bound to break open somebody's bank. The ACC cannot sit by for a decade while this revenue disparity increases. If ESPN has decided to bankroll the SEC expending to perhaps 20, maybe even 24, that is what ESPN plans to do: bleed the ACC dry.

I think Jay Bilas advocated for an ACC-SEC merger because he knows there are elements in the SEC offices and at ESPN that would like to do just that.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Announcement Tuesday-4 pm.

Not sufficiently imminent.

 

[MSOrange]

Your UVA snobbery gets in the way of seeing how good of a program they are, they played Baylor pretty even up last year. If it wasn't for Buddy Buckets going all Larry Bird on them, they could have got there last tourney.

See reply to Hoo.

So yeah, if they hadn't lost. Huggy Bear has built a really good program there and he's a great coach, but it's hard to win a national championship, let alone 2, especially when he's 67 years old and not getting any younger.

Good to have you back more regularly CousCuse.

 

[sutomcat]

Huggins is going to win a National Championship at WVU, maybe a couple. Wouldn't you want him to win those as an ACC member?

Well, he is 67 and has had a number of heart attacks. His health was bad as a younger man and has gotten worse over time.

He got off to a great start with his first big job at Cincy and made the Final Four and Elite Eight his first 2 years there. Got to another Elite Eight in 95-96 with Cincy.

Since then he has only gotten past the Round of 32 once, when he again got to a Final Four in 2009-10.

He has gone 15-21, 21-10 and 19-10 in his last 3 seasons. It is going to be exceeding hard to recruit good players with West Virginia being relegated. If he can get his team into the NCAA tournament one or two more times before he is done, I think he will be thrilled.

Bob Huggins - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I would say the chances of him winning a single NC are very small. Heck, the chances of him ever getting past the Round of 32 again are small.

But I like your willingness to take unconventional stands.

 

[CousCuse]

The Alliance actually makes that more likely. Now, not just the ACC itself but also a large number of ACC schools will spend a good deal of time interacting with the BT. If ESPN decides that the ACC is going to be paid the it has been (and ACC TV viewers are far greater in number than Pac viewers and actually larger than Big 12 viewers) Fox easily could conclude that it can take over Major college sports by encouraging the BT to expand to 24, maybe even 30.

Would anybody with any hoops knowledge save UK fans watch anything but their own school and that Biggest Ten? Would anybody but SEC fans and the dwindling Pac fans watch any CFB but that Biggest Ten?

Is that crazy? Of course it is. But either ESPN will finally pay the ACC what it is worth, or the ACC will be forced to respond in some way that is bound to break open somebody's bank. The ACC cannot sit by for a decade while this revenue disparity increases. If ESPN has decided to bankroll the SEC expending to perhaps 20, maybe even 24, that is what ESPN plans to do: bleed the ACC dry.

I think Jay Bilas advocated for an ACC-SEC merger because he knows there are elements in the SEC offices and at ESPN that would like to do just that.

The B1G wants the alliance to address their strategic weakness with the SEC. The ACC wants the alliance to address their financial disadvantage to the other P4 conferences. It works for the B1G's goal but not for the ACC's. The ACC needs to stop cow toeing as a cash cow to ESPN and play hardball. The PAC, meh, just a tool of the B1G.

 

[CousCuse]

So yeah, if they hadn't lost. Huggy Bear has built a really good program there and he's a great coach, but it's hard to win a national championship, let alone 2, especially when he's 67 years old and not getting any younger.

Good to have you back more regularly CousCuse.

Well, he is 67 and has had a number of heart attacks. His health was bad as a younger man and has gotten worse over time.

He got off to a great start with his first big job at Cincy and made the Final Four and Elite Eight his first 2 years there. Got to another Elite Eight in 95-96 with Cincy.

Since then he has only gotten past the Round of 32 once, when he again got to a Final Four in 2009-10.

He has gone 15-21, 21-10 and 19-10 in his last 3 seasons. It is going to be exceeding hard to recruit good players with West Virginia being relegated. If he can get his team into the NCAA tournament one or two more times before he is done, I think he will be thrilled.

Bob Huggins - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I would say the chances of him winning a single NC are very small. Heck, the chances of him ever getting past the Round of 32 again are small.

But I like your willingness to take unconventional stands.

If they had won that game against the Orange, I think they match up against Houston style and would won that game. Then they face Baylor and the winner of that game would have won the Championship. And I'm sure Baylor did not want to see WVU in the round of 8.

 

[WoadBlue]

I’ve come around that Houston will be the texas team and with okie st, that’s the no brainers.

after that I still take unlv and give BYU one more shot before they get left behind for good.

and then I’d add TCU for D-FW.

Have you spent any time in Houston and with Houston area college sports? It is somewhat like northeastern high school sports. Nobody ever has a truly large fan base, and small Elite schools often average almost as many fans per game as the largest public schools.

In most years, Rice will average between about 24 and 27K for football, and Houston will average between about 28 and 34K. For CFB, everybody in Houston is either a Longhorn or Aggie, except for those who are Bayou Bengals or Sooners or Razorbacks.

Texas Tech does not not have much of an alum presence in Houston, but TTU alums and fans are all over DFW.

 

[Finwad32]

Lot of ifs…

 

[Alsacs]

CousCuse stanning for Bob Huggins before 9am not what I imagined.
I love how he thinks the ACC has leverage with ESPN.

This alliance is about preventing ESPN from owning the CFB exclusively.
Fox is going to get a piece of it.
I wish alliance SUM 41 just completely merged fully now.
Put all 41 teams under one banner a la pro sports team and then negotiate the rights with multiple TV partners.
It would probably raise more money for everyone and isolate the SEC.

 

[Hoo's That]

Your UVA snobbery gets in the way of seeing how good of a program they are, they played Baylor pretty even up last year. If it wasn't for Buddy Buckets going all Larry Bird on them, they could have got there last tourney.

See reply to Hoo.

I'm not saying they're not a good team; they're not good enough to win.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Your UVA snobbery gets in the way of seeing how good of a program they are, they played Baylor pretty even up last year. If it wasn't for Buddy Buckets going all Larry Bird on them, they could have got there last tourney.

See reply to Hoo.

As a WVU alumnus and fan, I'm going to be blunt.

No.

When they are good they are fun to watch, but when they are bad they are awful. They can be very entertaining, but the odds of them getting the right pieces together for a run at a Natty is just about nil. Frankly they should have beat Cuse easily this past year, and there are reason other than Buddy's great performance that it didn't happen.