ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[CousCuse]

As a WVU alumnus and fan, I'm going to be blunt.

No.

When they are good they are fun to watch, but when they are bad they are awful. They can be very entertaining, but the odds of them getting the right pieces together for a run at a Natty is just about nil. Frankly they should have beat Cuse easily this past year, and there are reason other than Buddy's great performance that it didn't happen.

Huggy has put in the time and work fate will reward him.

 

[CousCuse]

CousCuse stanning for Bob Huggins before 9am not what I imagined.
I love how he thinks the ACC has leverage with ESPN.

This alliance is about preventing ESPN from owning the CFB exclusively.
Fox is going to get a piece of it.
I wish alliance SUM 41 just completely merged fully now.
Put all 41 teams under one banner a la pro sports team and then negotiate the rights with multiple TV partners.
It would probably raise more money for everyone and isolate the SEC.

Expand with WVU, a top 20 football and basketball school, open up the negotiations. They could add any school and would get a big increase due to their current undervaluing.

 

[Alsacs]

Expand with WVU, a top 20 football and basketball school, open up the negotiations. They could add any school and would get a big increase due to their current undervaluing.

Combine WVU fanbase with Pitt’s location and you would get them into a P4.
WVU is not valuable.
They won’t add the value of adding their mouth to feed.
Plus their fanbase legitimately created a troll farm a la Russia to put misinformation out their to harm the ACC.
Screw giving them a lifeline.

Cincinnati is more valuable than WVU.
Oklahoma State is more valuable.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Huggy has put in the time and work fate will reward him.

Your WVU fetish is interesting, but it's clouding your thought process.

 

[CousCuse]

Combine WVU fanbase with Pitt’s location and you would get them into a P4.
WVU is not valuable.
They won’t add the value of adding their mouth to feed.
Plus their fanbase legitimately created a troll farm a la Russia to put misinformation out their to harm the ACC.
Screw giving them a lifeline.

Cincinnati is more valuable than WVU.
Oklahoma State is more valuable.

I'm for WVU because the nature of the historical relationship between SU and WVU really stirs the Oranges competitive fire, which is something they need more than ever. But, as I said, any addition to reopen the contract would result in a large net increase because of the current lack of valuation.

 

[CousCuse]

Your WVU fetish is interesting, but it's clouding your thought process.

The ACC could add UMASS and would still net a huge net increase. There, I threw the dogs a bone to chew on.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I'm for WVU because the nature of the historical relationship between SU and WVU really stirs the Oranges competitive fire, which is something they need more than ever. But, as I said, any addition to reopen the contract would result in a large net increase because of the current lack of valuation.

Unfortunately, this has no value on the open market. I wish it did.

The ACC could add UMASS and would still net a huge net increase. There, I threw the dogs a bone to chew on.

This is just blatantly false and borderline trolling. You understand that a school needs to add enough additional revenue to offset distributions to all other schools, right? You don't add just to reexamine the contract with ESPN, which is what would almost certainly have to be done for any school except ND to show a financial benefit. That's George Costanza bizzaro-world negotiating.

You value emotion more than math. I get that; but luckily the powers that be have better impulse control.

 

[CousCuse]

Unfortunately, this has no value on the open market. I wish it did.


This is just blatantly false and borderline trolling. You understand that a school needs to add enough additional revenue to offset distributions to all other schools, right? You don't add just to reexamine the contract with ESPN, which is what would almost certainly have to be done for any school except ND to show a financial benefit. That's George Costanza bizzaro-world negotiating.

You value emotion more than math. I get that; but luckily the powers that be have better impulse control.

There is no program left on the board that will bring the value you are talking about. WVU at least brings in high level competitive programs and is in the ACC zone. Currently the ACC is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-25% undervalued. That's the big pot of money they need to get at.

 

[WoadBlue]

The B1G wants the alliance to address their strategic weakness with the SEC. The ACC wants the alliance to address their financial disadvantage to the other P4 conferences. It works for the B1G's goal but not for the ACC's. The ACC needs to stop cow toeing as a cash cow to ESPN and play hardball. The PAC, meh, just a tool of the B1G.

Correct.

The BT has 0 need of any more money. What the BT needs very badly and wants is direct access to more football talent. And that requires the South, from Va down to FL and across to TX. That means the ACC leadership must assume always that the BT is aiming to break up the ACC in order to take at least 4 or 5 ACC schools located in the South. Now that Texas and OU are off the table, that is the only move the BT can make to match the SEC.

Trusting the BT is as stupid as trusting the SEC and ESPN.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

There is no program left on the board that will bring the value you are talking about. WVU at least brings in high level competitive programs and is in the ACC zone. Currently the ACC is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-25% undervalued. That's the big pot of money they need to get at.

And that pot of money evaporates with another mouth to feed. You don't alter the structure of your conference for a tiny margin. ND is the only option that would work; I'd love to see WVU brought in to get to 16, but only then. That's the only way I see it making financial sense, and the entire point of this is MONEY. Not feelings.

This should not be so hard.

 

[WoadBlue]

CousCuse stanning for Bob Huggins before 9am not what I imagined.
I love how he thinks the ACC has leverage with ESPN.

This alliance is about preventing ESPN from owning the CFB exclusively.
Fox is going to get a piece of it.
I wish alliance SUM 41 just completely merged fully now.
Put all 41 teams under one banner a la pro sports team and then negotiate the rights with multiple TV partners.
It would probably raise more money for everyone and isolate the SEC.

But the entire history of the Big Ten says that its DNA is wired to be all about the money all of the time, and 'the rest of you can go to Hell after we bleed you dry.' The SEC has only become very recently what the BT always has been.

 

[CousCuse]

Correct.

The BT has 0 need of any more money. What the BT needs very badly and wants is direct access to more football talent. And that requires the South, from Va down to FL and across to TX. That means the ACC leadership must assume always that the BT is aiming to break up the ACC in order to take at least 4 or 5 ACC schools located in the South. Now that Texas and OU are off the table, that is the only move the BT can make to match the SEC.

Trusting the BT is as stupid as trusting the SEC and ESPN.

The SEC would only want 1 team from Virginia and North Carolina and wouldn't rock the boat if the ACC and them were partners. The B1G wants it all and no ACC, just like they did to the Big12.

 

[WoadBlue]

And that pot of money evaporates with another mouth to feed. You don't alter the structure of your conference for a tiny margin. ND is the only option that would work; I'd love to see WVU brought in to get to 16, but only then. That's the only way I see it making financial sense, and the entire point of this is MONEY. Not feelings.

This should not be so hard.

The only other thing that I can think that might matter is adding a TX team or two to make certain that the Pac and therefore Fox is cut out of TX.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

The only other thing that I can think that might matter is adding a TX team or two to make certain that the Pac and therefore Fox is cut out of TX.

That's an interesting angle.

 

[CousCuse]

And that pot of money evaporates with another mouth to feed. You don't alter the structure of your conference for a tiny margin. ND is the only option that would work; I'd love to see WVU brought in to get to 16, but only then. That's the only way I see it making financial sense, and the entire point of this is MONEY. Not feelings.

This should not be so hard.

If they renegotiated that would net say $200 million+or- dollars.

 

[syrBossHogg]

If the ACC thought WVU was worth something (newsflash: they don't) they would've added them with Pitt long ago

 

[WoadBlue]

The SEC would only want 1 team from Virginia and North Carolina and wouldn't rock the boat if the ACC and them were partners. The B1G wants it all and no ACC, just like they did to the Big12.

It was the SEC and not the BT that killed the Big 12.

Yes, the SEC wants the ACC to survive and be its lap dog, like the Pac is to the BT. The ACC has to resist that and any action with The Alliance that does not lead to the ACC gaining, and that eventually will mean that the BT must give up something relative to the ACC.

And if the BT can learn to share a bit, and ND still can't, tell ND to hit the road.

But while pursuing that avenue, the ACC also must pursue the avenue of getting ESPN to pay the ACC what it is worth.

 

[WoadBlue]

That's an interesting angle.

From the other side, it is the reason I think the PAC should swallow its pride and add TTU. TX is like FL and CA: if you can have a team in such a state that has any history of being in a Major conference, you need to take it, as long as a network has enough sense to pay. Because if you do not take it, another league can use it against you at some point.

Does ESPN want to make certain that the BT-Pac alliance, which has been unofficial but real back to the BT bribing the Pac to close the Rose Bowl, is kept out of TX?

 

[Stevenson]

Need the Dude of WV and MHver3 to confirm

and Barbie

 

[CousCuse]

It was the SEC and not the BT that killed the Big 12.

Yes, the SEC wants the ACC to survive and be its lap dog, like the Pac is to the BT. The ACC has to resist that and any action with The Alliance that does not lead to the ACC gaining, and that eventually will mean that the BT must give up something relative to the ACC.

And if the BT can learn to share a bit, and ND still can't, tell ND to hit the road.

But while pursuing that avenue, the ACC also must pursue the avenue of getting ESPN to pay the ACC what it is worth.

The B1G and their tools the PAC mortally wounded the Big12 when they took Colorado and Nebraska. Their plan was for them to get the capital assets, UT and OU, and they worked hard at that and failed. Mizzou begged the B1G to take them and the B1G said talk to the hand. A&M is a traditionalist southern university and had no interest in being part of the PAC, so they jumped at the chance to get into the SEC along with Missouri. That left UT and OU out of place in a conference with second tier schools. The B1G failed there and I hope that they fail in their current scheme.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Have you spent any time in Houston and with Houston area college sports? It is somewhat like northeastern high school sports. Nobody ever has a truly large fan base, and small Elite schools often average almost as many fans per game as the largest public schools.

In most years, Rice will average between about 24 and 27K for football, and Houston will average between about 28 and 34K. For CFB, everybody in Houston is either a Longhorn or Aggie, except for those who are Bayou Bengals or Sooners or Razorbacks.

Texas Tech does not not have much of an alum presence in Houston, but TTU alums and fans are all over DFW.

i have not.

i got convinced that houston would be a better fit because houston brings more eyeballs, not based on its namesakes ability to win and put butts in the seats.

imo: rice is a non-starter for anything.

i have struggled figuring out the TT v TCU dynamic, went with the eyeballs of DFW over Lubbock. previously, i had always felt TT was the better choice.

at the end of the day, Texas is a 2 school state, just like most of the rest of schools by state...and both are in the SEC. adding no texas school will push all those athletes elsewhere and maybe to those schools if theyre in the AAC, its why i would think the Alliance tries to find a way to add there.

 

[ForCuseSake]

The ACC could add UMASS and would still net a huge net increase. There, I threw the dogs a bone to chew on.

Too many conference realignment posts without a UMASS mention from you had me nervous.

I was starting to wonder if someone hacked your account.

Thanks for righting that wrong.

 

[Alsacs]

The B1G and their tools the PAC mortally wounded the Big12 when they took Colorado and Nebraska. Their plan was for them to get the capital assets, UT and OU, and they worked hard at that and failed. Mizzou begged the B1G to take them and the B1G said talk to the hand. A&M is a traditionalist southern university and had no interest in being part of the PAC, so they jumped at the chance to get into the SEC along with Missouri. That left UT and OU out of place in a conference with second tier schools. The B1G failed there and I hope that they fail in their current scheme.

Can you stop. You leave facts out. The Big Ten never offered Oklahoma.
They probably wish they did now.

The Big Ten would have taken Missouri if Nebraska didn’t decide they wanted out of Texas shadow.

The SEC wanted Virginia Tech when they took Missouri but Tech showed loyalty when Virginia bailed them out.

A&M was sick of Texas.
Texas could have gone to the Pac-12 without them. ESPN made the Longhorn Network so they wouldn’t go.

Oklahoma wanted to go to the PAC-12 without Texas but the PAC-12 told them no.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

If they renegotiated that would net say $200 million+or- dollars.

You hope. ESPN isn't going to just give money away; they have all of the leverage currently.

 

[TheCusian]

CousCuse stanning for Bob Huggins before 9am not what I imagined.
I love how he thinks the ACC has leverage with ESPN.

This alliance is about preventing ESPN from owning the CFB exclusively.
Fox is going to get a piece of it.
I wish alliance SUM 41 just completely merged fully now.
Put all 41 teams under one banner a la pro sports team and then negotiate the rights with multiple TV partners.
It would probably raise more money for everyone and isolate the SEC.

Yeah, Cous talking up the virtues of WVU basketball in this particular thread is ... something