ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[qdawgg]

I am unable to give your post a “Like” even though I appreciate the accuracy of the sarcasm. It’s just too depressing. But you’re right. In the era of NIL, no one cares if classes are a part of college football except a few of us old farts.

In reality, college as we know it as irrelevant. As far as FB and college going together

 

[TheCusian]

I am unable to give your post a “Like” even though I appreciate the accuracy of the sarcasm. It’s just too depressing. But you’re right. In the era of NIL, no one cares if classes are a part of college football except a few of us old farts.

The blame shouldn’t be on NIL era. It should be on the organization tasked with representing the athletes and programs: NCAA and the Presidents who empower it. They fought too long and to hard for a system unequal in its distribution of power and money. The student athlete died at their hand because they thought enriching the schools and themselves while holding onto “amateurism” more righteous than evolving and maintaining control.

 

[All4SU]

The blame shouldn’t be on NIL era. It should be on the organization tasked with representing the athletes and programs: NCAA and the Presidents who empower it. They fought too long and to hard for a system unequal in its distribution of power and money. The student athlete died at their hand because they thought enriching the schools and themselves while holding onto “amateurism” more righteous than evolving and maintaining control.

I don’t blame NIL. I think NIL is just the latest, most obvious, example that the system is broken. I blame people… the ncaa, the conferences, the schools, the networks, and yes, the fans. There was a time when the fans had power and influence and could have helped stop this slide into professionalism. We failed. I include myself in that indictment.

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t blame NIL. I think NIL is just the latest, most obvious, example that the system is broken. I blame people… the ncaa, the conferences, the schools, the networks, and yes, the fans. There was a time when the fans had power and influence and could have helped stop this slide into professionalism. We failed. I include myself in that indictment.

Fair. I think somewhere along the way (probably TV money) really hijacked the good intentions of people and the checks and balances eroded.

 

[orangedave]

A sizeable chunk of almost every fanbase in the ACC wants WVU.

Is that supported by facts or is it just your opinion?

 

[CousCuse]

Is that supported by facts or is it just your opinion?

I support WVU playing football in the ACC because I can see that their athletic department is serious and dedicated to playing high level college football and are having very good success at it. I then make the irrational jump to believe that other college footballs fans across the ACC see the same thing and too believe that they would be an asset to the league.

 

[Orijinal]

I support WVU playing football in the ACC because I can see that their athletic department is serious and dedicated to playing high level college football and are having very good success at it. I then make the irrational jump to believe that other college footballs fans across the ACC see the same thing and too believe that they would be an asset to the league.

For what it's worth, I don't want them. But I'm one person

 

[CousCuse]

For what it's worth, I don't want them. But I'm one person

I think the ACC should try to get stronger and not depend on an alliance with the traitorous B1G and their PAC12 associates.

 

[Orijinal]

I think the ACC should try to get stronger and not depend on an alliance with the traitorous B1G and their PAC12 associates.

On one side of the coin, WVU and ND are the most obvious adds

On the other side of the coin, the ACC had a golden opportunity to take WVU when the Big East was falling apart and took Syracuse and Pitt instead. I think that says something

 

[CousCuse]

On one side of the coin, WVU and ND are the most obvious adds

On the other side of the coin, the ACC had a golden opportunity to take WVU when the Big East was falling apart and took Syracuse and Pitt instead. I think that says something

Going to the Big12 made them stronger, IMO. I think if they came into the ACC, they would challenge for the league, right away.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I know less about this stuff than most people over the age of 8. But I know this much: whatever happens from here is not about the fans, schools or even the conferences. It’s about money. Once the NIL dam broke, there is literally nothing to keep the powers that be from just going all in on making fortunes off of CFB. Previously they had to at least appear to be responsible shapers of young men through amateur athletics. Well, that veil was lifted. It's business time!

 

[DoctorBombay]

I support WVU playing football in the ACC because I can see that their athletic department is serious and dedicated to playing high level college football and are having very good success at it. I then make the irrational jump to believe that other college footballs fans across the ACC see the same thing and too believe that they would be an asset to the league.

They can rot, IMO. One more mouth to feed w/ a small population that doesn't excel in any particular sport. WVU is always "good, to very good", but can't win championships. Yes, their football program is good-to-very-good, but their academics suck. The ACC has had numerous opportunities to add them but have always declined.
I say wait out ND, and even if they say No, eventually look to Kansas or Okie State or Baylor or TTU. WVU is not that great of an asset, IMO.

 

[Hokie Mark]

The reason why WVU hasn't been invited to join the ACC can be seen on this board. Some think they'd be a great football asset and should be added asap. Others think they are just another mouth to feed and/or "can rot" because of past behavior (fan and otherwise). Truth is, they're probably both.

 

[CousCuse]

The reason why WVU hasn't been invited to join the ACC can be seen on this board. Some think they'd be a great football asset and should be added asap. Others think they are just another mouth to feed and/or "can rot" because of past behavior (fan and otherwise). Truth is, they're probably both.

Well Mark, this is probably a done deal anyways since the ACC put a B1G man in place as the commissioner. But I think a lot of people forget that it was the B1G and the Pac that destabilized and began the fall of the BIG12 when they took Nebraska and Colorado. I'm sure they coordinated on that. The Pac then wanted 4 more teams but couldn't pull it off. The SEC only took in teams that asked them to join. Once the B1G has ACC teams playing them regularly and the grant of rights gets closer to expiration, they will take apart the ACC.

 

[KaiserUEO]

You lost me right there.

Exactly.

game would be at Giants Stadium.

 

[WoadBlue]

I think the ACC should try to get stronger and not depend on an alliance with the traitorous B1G and their PAC12 associates.

I hate the BT, and have for as long as I can remember. For decades, the BT was the only conference that worshipped money and practiced raw power all the time. I still do not trust the BT, not for a half second. But the SEC has won 11 of the past 15 National Championships (the ACC has 3 and the BT 1) and has the largest TV audience in the country: more viewers than BT football viewers. Add to that the winningest team since WW2 (OU) and what is usually the richest football program in the country (Texas), and you have a leviathan that could run the table on the sport.

If the BT is not scared halfway straight and into near-honesty by that, the BT deserves to be destroyed. So I think the ACC must explore every option of an ACC-BT-Pac alliance for scheduling. That does not mean allow the BT to get away with anything. The BT must 'share' and be helpful, or else SEC football will WIN.

That said, if ESPN is going to up our pay by 12 or 15 million per school per year if we back away from any scheduling alliance with the BT and Pac, and ESPN is going to work with the SEC to schedule many more OC games vs. ACC teams, then that works for me.

 

[baggerbob]

I hate the BT, and have for as long as I can remember. For decades, the BT was the only conference that worshipped money and practiced raw power all the time. I still do not trust the BT, not for a half second. But the SEC has won 11 of the past 15 National Championships (the ACC has 3 and the BT 1) and has the largest TV audience in the country: more viewers than BT football viewers. Add to that the winningest team since WW2 (OU) and what is usually the richest football program in the country (Texas), and you have a leviathan that could run the table on the sport.

If the BT is not scared halfway straight and into near-honesty by that, the BT deserves to be destroyed. So I think the ACC must explore every option of an ACC-BT-Pac alliance for scheduling. That does not mean allow the BT to get away with anything. The BT must 'share' and be helpful, or else SEC football will WIN.

That said, if ESPN is going to up our pay by 12 or 15 million per school per year if we back away from any scheduling alliance with the BT and Pac, and ESPN is going to work with the SEC to schedule many more OC games vs. ACC teams, then that works for me.

Don't trust anything about ESPN, they are the hidden snake in the grass that bites you, and kills you.

 

[Newhouser]

ESPN won't kill us we have Wildhack ( I forgot the sarcasm don't).

Don't trust anything about ESPN, they are the hidden snake in the grass that bites you, and kills you.

 

[supp]

Sorry if already posted. Surprised Wildhack not on the committee, but his ESPN ties might preclude him from this role:

TechSideline.com

Virginia Tech Hokies Football, Basketball, and Recruiting

virginiatech.sportswar.com

Hmm...ADs from the three schools whose departure would blow up the ACC? Fine with giving them the priority here.

 

[Toga]

I hate the BT, and have for as long as I can remember. For decades, the BT was the only conference that worshipped money and practiced raw power all the time. I still do not trust the BT, not for a half second. But the SEC has won 11 of the past 15 National Championships (the ACC has 3 and the BT 1) and has the largest TV audience in the country: more viewers than BT football viewers. Add to that the winningest team since WW2 (OU) and what is usually the richest football program in the country (Texas), and you have a leviathan that could run the table on the sport.

If the BT is not scared halfway straight and into near-honesty by that, the BT deserves to be destroyed. So I think the ACC must explore every option of an ACC-BT-Pac alliance for scheduling. That does not mean allow the BT to get away with anything. The BT must 'share' and be helpful, or else SEC football will WIN.

That said, if ESPN is going to up our pay by 12 or 15 million per school per year if we back away from any scheduling alliance with the BT and Pac, and ESPN is going to work with the SEC to schedule many more OC games vs. ACC teams, then that works for me.

Exactamundo

 

[KaiserUEO]

unless im wrong, a scheduling alliance would HELP espn.

they still retain the rights of ACC home games right?

so if the schedule is 8 ACC games (3-5-5) and 1 PAC, 1 B1G, 1 G5 and 1 1AA, then they will add in theory at least 1 very attractive game for every ACC team each year.

of course FOX would get 1 per conf as well, but thats the business end of doing business with the SEC.

the squeeze is coming nd...

 

[HRE Otto IV]

unless im wrong, a scheduling alliance would HELP espn.

they still retain the rights of ACC home games right?

so if the schedule is 8 ACC games (3-5-5) and 1 PAC, 1 B1G, 1 G5 and 1 1AA, then they will add in theory at least 1 very attractive game for every ACC team each year.

of course FOX would get 1 per conf as well, but thats the business end of doing business with the SEC.

the squeeze is coming nd...

If the intent is to squeeze out the SEC and also force ND to join, I think you see 9 conference games (4-5-5), 1 game each against an alliance conference (so for SU one game vs B1G and 1 vs P12), and 1 G5 (exceptions for ACC/SEC rivalries).

But that only works if all 3 have the same amount of teams. I think 15 makes the most sense for all (ACC adds ND, B1G adds KU, P12 adds Okie St, Texas Tech, Houston). IMO 16 would be a stretch as there is little advantage for any of the three conferences (ACC adds WV, B1G adds Iowa St, P12 adds UNLV).

Notre Dame would have 9 ACC games, one B1G game, USC, and Navy every year. They would hate it but have no choice. The rest of the ACC would never see USC which would stink though.

 

[KaiserUEO]

If the intent is to squeeze out the SEC and also force ND to join, I think you see 9 conference games (4-5-5), 1 game each against an alliance conference (so for SU one game vs B1G and 1 vs P12), and 1 G5 (exceptions for ACC/SEC rivalries).

But that only works if all 3 have the same amount of teams. I think 15 makes the most sense for all (ACC adds ND, B1G adds KU, P12 adds Okie St, Texas Tech, Houston). IMO 16 would be a stretch as there is little advantage for any of the three conferences (ACC adds WV, B1G adds Iowa St, P12 adds UNLV).

Notre Dame would have 9 ACC games, one B1G game, USC, and Navy every year. They would hate it but have no choice. The rest of the ACC would never see USC which would stink though.

i cant see houston.

redundant.

its why BYU might not get a seat (Utah), this points me back to my original team...UNLV.

theyre playing in Allegiant now too.

Okie St
TT
UNLV

sign me up for that roadie...

 

[texascpa]

I hate the BT, and have for as long as I can remember. For decades, the BT was the only conference that worshipped money and practiced raw power all the time. I still do not trust the BT, not for a half second. But the SEC has won 11 of the past 15 National Championships (the ACC has 3 and the BT 1) and has the largest TV audience in the country: more viewers than BT football viewers. Add to that the winningest team since WW2 (OU) and what is usually the richest football program in the country (Texas), and you have a leviathan that could run the table on the sport.

If the BT is not scared halfway straight and into near-honesty by that, the BT deserves to be destroyed. So I think the ACC must explore every option of an ACC-BT-Pac alliance for scheduling. That does not mean allow the BT to get away with anything. The BT must 'share' and be helpful, or else SEC football will WIN.

That said, if ESPN is going to up our pay by 12 or 15 million per school per year if we back away from any scheduling alliance with the BT and Pac, and ESPN is going to work with the SEC to schedule many more OC games vs. ACC teams, then that works for me.

The B1G is all about money? You mean the conference that requires all universities that apply to their conference be an AAU member - an academic certification - cares only about money? C'monnnnn.

 

[NKR1978]

I hate the BT, and have for as long as I can remember. For decades, the BT was the only conference that worshipped money and practiced raw power all the time. I still do not trust the BT, not for a half second. But the SEC has won 11 of the past 15 National Championships (the ACC has 3 and the BT 1) and has the largest TV audience in the country: more viewers than BT football viewers. Add to that the winningest team since WW2 (OU) and what is usually the richest football program in the country (Texas), and you have a leviathan that could run the table on the sport.

If the BT is not scared halfway straight and into near-honesty by that, the BT deserves to be destroyed. So I think the ACC must explore every option of an ACC-BT-Pac alliance for scheduling. That does not mean allow the BT to get away with anything. The BT must 'share' and be helpful, or else SEC football will WIN.

That said, if ESPN is going to up our pay by 12 or 15 million per school per year if we back away from any scheduling alliance with the BT and Pac, and ESPN is going to work with the SEC to schedule many more OC games vs. ACC teams, then that works for me.

It's funny, on Twitter the responses to the tweets about the "Alliance" were people expecting the ACC to backstab it. I can totally see that happening.