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JeremyCuse
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I don't think everyone is against Allen, but the performance the first two games is extremely concerning. Nassib was the guy from pretty much his second season on, everyone here knew he was the starter and wasn't coming out unless he couldnt walk. With Allen people see we have what appears to be not only a serviceable backup but maybe someone who can perform better. The issue for Allen isnt that he's struggling its that he has thrown 6 picks, Syracuse cannot overcome those types of turnover numbers, they simply cant.
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I was about to post the same thought. Expect multiple responses along the lines of 'on his worst day Nassib wasn't even close to as bad as Allen'
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Don't put me in that category. Look, I can't be sure that Hunt is the answer. Nobody can be sure of that. But, we have two games worth of evidence that Allen has struggled mightily. We have a glimmer of evidence that Hunt has some potential. We have 2 games coming up against opponents SU should smoke. They both should get meaningful opportunities to run the first team offense so the staff can make an informed decision. And, no, I don't think practice gives you the same degree of clarity in making a decision.
Allen threw into all kinds of coverage and if that doesn't improve he has to sit. One thing that worries me is if the Mc is having him just look one way due to his lack of reps with this team. Allen HAS to either go through progressions or throw the ball out of bounds or or bounce out of the pocket and look for another open receiver or dump it to Gulley or the like. I do see Allens potential.
There's something that may change this regarding Nassib even though GOSU has a valid point, Hunt is the backup and has a lot of support in the fan base and possibly on the team as well. That makes things a little more complicated and has more fans ready to make a change. In my mind, Nassib did not have this type of problem as a soph and up.
There's something that may change this regarding Nassib even though GOSU has a valid point, Hunt is the backup and has a lot of support in the fan base and possibly on the team as well. That makes things a little more complicated and has more fans ready to make a change. In my mind, Nassib did not have this type of problem as a soph and up.
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I always thought Nassib was a better QB than a lot of people gave him credit for.
I thought Allen was going to be the real deal. He still might be, but 2 games in he's been awful. I mean, 6 picks!
My only hope is that when you are a backup QB for 4 years without much game action it takes you, oh, exactly 2 games to shed the rust and be awesome.
If not, well... yeah, if Hunt makes the team more interesting and harder to defend, I'm ok with seeing him worked in. Hell, go three headed beast and throw Loeb in too. Just, like, get weird with QBs.
Nassib had 1312 pass attempts in 4 years and 28 INT over that time. Drew Allen has 78 attempts this year and 6 INT already along with multiple knocked passes at the LOS. Drew Allen is not Ryan Nassib. Nassib took crap but all in all the fans grew up with him and while he wasn't the fastest athlete he was a good QB who I and most fans liked. Don't give me this crap if your going to say people are saying Allen is a horrific QB either identify them by name or knock it off. I hate when people use the FOX News "some people say blah blah" crap ANYBODY can be some people. Nassib's first year as starter 2010 he had 8 INTs the whole year and while Nassib may not have been the QB 100% of the fanbase wanted him to be a clear majority loved and appreciated him for his grit and toughness and please don't tell me Allen has done anything to earn any patience from this fanbase for his performance thru 2 games.
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that's reassuring. allen will be good in 2016 during his redshirt shmenior season
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Yes but also he threw nothing over 5 yards, which prompted the baord to complain about that. Its apples and oranges. Allen has struggled, but is basically a freshman with game experience. So is Hunt. I think I agree that a team should have one leader one QB, but I am certain the guys are willing to follow Allen, but would run through a wall for Hunt.
see. Alex Smith/Colin Kapernick
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Is it really that Allen sucks or more about seeing what Hunt brings in actual competitive situations. I gather more on here are simply saying lets at least get a look at what Hunt can do before going all in on Allen after two subpar performances to date. I don't see anything wrong with that philosophy of thinking at all. If we were even 1-1 I think it makes sense struggle or no struggle to stay completely invested in the kid but at 0-2 we need to at least explore the other option.
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"They both should get meaningful opportunities to run the first team offense"
I agree--but none of this Allen takes the first half, and Hunt takes the second crap. They should alternate series throughout the game. That seems the only fair way of comparing abilities. People are already checking the Wagner game off as just a glorified scrimmage, so why not run it like one? And by the way, let's give everybody some playing time if we are so sure of a W.
I agree--but none of this Allen takes the first half, and Hunt takes the second crap. They should alternate series throughout the game. That seems the only fair way of comparing abilities. People are already checking the Wagner game off as just a glorified scrimmage, so why not run it like one? And by the way, let's give everybody some playing time if we are so sure of a W.
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Captain checkdown...I read many many times here about Nassib. Maybe if Allen gets comfortable he can do that as well to avoid some of those picks. I am SO looking forward to the Wagner game and watch both qb's show their talent.
Wow...you posted KOIII's analysis and referenced Fox News all in the same day. Good work.
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I was a big Nassib supporter from the beginning. I actually wanted him to play more than Paulus that 1st year and one of the big reasons was the same reason i want Hunt to play more over Allen. Hunt has been with the program and has 3 years to build on. I think bringing in an inexperienced QB for 1 year stunts development of a program, unless he's so much better than what's on the roster. I believe Oklahoma agrees with that and that's why he is here.
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there is only one captain checkdown and that is trent edwards and i will fight anyone who dares take that nickname from him
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My only contention with Allen is that the staff does not have the luxury of multiple years for development past the 2013 season. Nassib on the other hand did have the extra years to get acclimated as the team's starting QB. It wasn't always rosy for him either in the beginning.
I just hope that Hunt does get some extended snaps this Saturday against Wagner. Hey you never know he may just surprised...and I hope it is not in mop up time otherwise there will be those who will bring that up as an excuse to downplay how he does.
I just hope that Hunt does get some extended snaps this Saturday against Wagner. Hey you never know he may just surprised...and I hope it is not in mop up time otherwise there will be those who will bring that up as an excuse to downplay how he does.
I would love to hear from anyone with inside information comparing Hunt to our current freshman QB's. I'm curious to know if the staff is happy enough with Kimble and/or Wilson that they realize Hunt might never be the starter.
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The staff will do everything in their power to have Kimble/Wilson start next year, IMO.
Often a coaching conundrum when you have a situation like that. You love the kid in the middle but things just don't work out for him. I think a lot of coaches lose their jobs because of things like that.
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I was one of Nassib's biggest apologists here. But Allen has serious issues with progressions thus far, he hasn't looked off defenders and has telegraphed a lot. Drew has a good arm and has shown flashes of great accuracy but you can't get 5 passes tipped at the line every game, especially when you are 6'5''. There's no excuse for that.
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Every year is different - coaches should not lose their jobs because they are afraid that a kid might succeed (which is what you imply with "loving a kid in the middle").
Play the best player regardless of what year. If Hunt is the best guy now, play him. Don't sit here and not play him because you don't want him to succeed due to the fact that you like Kimble and Wilson.
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If anyone was doubting a 5th year Nassib, they were plain stupid. It was clear after the first two games that, at worst, Nassib was going to be an average to above average college QB. While most probably didn't see top 5 type NFL QB he became, most saw a guy that gave us an tremendous chance to win.
Nassib: His stats after two games were that he had passed for 800 yards, 6 td and 3 picks with an almost 140 QB rating.
Allen: Passed for less yards in two games than Nassib did in one (and that was NW). He has 6 picks, 1 TD and a QB rating of 95.
While there are dummies that will complain about everything these days, those complaining about Allen have a lot of merit to what they say.
You have kids doing the right things and you reward them of that. Again, this isn't a 100% thing I'm just saying that talent isn't always the #1 reason kids play.
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Hell this time a year ago you were talking about giving Marrone slack until he got his "own" quarterback and just waiting for Nassib's numbers to fall back because you were certain they would once conference play started.
