Amusing that many of the people that are so certain about

[JeremyCuse]

This is exactly the problem. If you get beat down by years of losing (not sure how Bball and Lacrosse have let you down?) in football - you're unable to evaluate the staff and players fairly. It's the opposite of orange colored glasses. Let's call it Greggers gift.

While many on this board saw incompetence in the game last weekend, and at times rightly so, it's colored over the good things that happened. It's not a fair take.

A new staff, with a new QB, new OC/DC - needs some room to figure things out.

I agree Cusian but the post from GO was just him ribbing me. I certainly can see some positives from the last two weeks though the NW game was pretty much a disaster all around. Lacrosse is always good as is basketball. I think peoples frustration with bball was that there was always some issue right before or during the tournament but its clear we are clearly spoiled on that side of the ball.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I was about to post the same thought. Expect multiple responses along the lines of 'on his worst day Nassib wasn't even close to as bad as Allen'

I think a fair assessment of early Nassib was "he misses a lot of throws, and guns the short passes too hard, but at least he doesn't throw many picks." Nassib only hit about 56% of his passes his first year starting, but he limited his turnovers. Allen has to begin to do that now.

 

[TheCusian]

Isn't that what practice is for?

Games especially against Big10 opponents should not be auditions for coaches or players. Evaluation should be done before the games and in interviews.

You don't get the job, then get interviewed do you? If that is the case, I want the job as President, wait no...I want to be the next CEO of Apple...both until I get interviewed and realize I can't do the job.

In a perfect world - yes. There is no simulating real-life games vs quality opponents. Clearly, history says new QB's making their first couple of starts are normally not as efficient as 4 year starters. First year coaches in live game situations are probably going to take some time to improve, no?

I'd bet you weren't as good at your job the 1st year as say year 10? How many people get a pass as they learn the job - because the people doing the hiring know that it takes some time to really master a job?

 

[Pyle]

In a perfect world - yes. There is no simulating real-life games vs quality opponents. Clearly, history says new QB's making their first couple of starts are normally not as efficient as 4 year starters. First year coaches in live game situations are probably going to take some time to improve, no?

I'd bet you weren't as good at your job the 1st year as say year 10? How many people get a pass as they learn the job - because the people doing the hiring know that it takes some time to really master a job?

You are correct, the issue here is that D1 coaches shouldn't be learning on the job, and if they are as is the case with Shafer, then you better not have both of your coordinators learning on the job as well. I guess the argument can be made that Bullough has experience from his years at UCLA but let's be honest. Those weren't good years and he was fired in year 2. Reading the PS article that breaks down how effective the Blitz was against NW it is painfully clear he was outcoached from the first whistle. I'm not calling for his head, it's way too early for that, but I'm not sold on Bullough at all at this point either.

 

[TheCusian]

You are correct, the issue here is that D1 coaches shouldn't be learning on the job, and if they are as is the case with Shafer, then you better not have both of your coordinators learning on the job as well. I guess the argument can be made that Bullough has experience from his years at UCLA but let's be honest. Those weren't good years and he was fired in year 2. Reading the PS article that breaks down how effective the Blitz was against NW it is painfully clear he was outcoached from the first whistle. I'm not calling for his head, it's way too early for that, but I'm not sold on Bullough at all at this point either.

All D1 coaches and coordinators have a first game (McDonald was an OC before). I'm not saying they are doing a great job - I'm saying the deserve a bit of time to iron some things out.

Much like Marrone did with Spence. He gave him a season, didn't work out, hired Hackett.

 

[SmilinBob]

You are correct, the issue here is that D1 coaches shouldn't be learning on the job, and if they are as is the case with Shafer, then you better not have both of your coordinators learning on the job as well. I guess the argument can be made that Bullough has experience from his years at UCLA but let's be honest. Those weren't good years and he was fired in year 2. Reading the PS article that breaks down how effective the Blitz was against NW it is painfully clear he was outcoached from the first whistle. I'm not calling for his head, it's way too early for that, but I'm not sold on Bullough at all at this point either.

All coaches are learning as they go and it's the ones that don't that are the bad ones.

 

[Pyle]

All coaches are learning as they go and it's the ones that don't that are the bad ones.

Some have a lot more to learn than others.

 

[All4SU]

This whole thread just reminds me that there are no absolutes in anything.

 

[CuseOnly]

In a perfect world - yes. There is no simulating real-life games vs quality opponents. Clearly, history says new QB's making their first couple of starts are normally not as efficient as 4 year starters. First year coaches in live game situations are probably going to take some time to improve, no?

I'd bet you weren't as good at your job the 1st year as say year 10? How many people get a pass as they learn the job - because the people doing the hiring know that it takes some time to really master a job?

My issue here is that we don't have that kind of time and of course it's not a perfect world.

 

[TheCusian]

My issue here is that we don't have that kind of time and of course it's not a perfect world.

4 games? I expect a much better performance by Clemson - especially on Offense. The full year for evaluating coordinators - if they get worse or stay the same, then we look at it.

I will say - we should be less flippant in digs at McDonald. Besides the fact that he seems to be a great guy, he also has a lot of friends in south Florida.

 

[CuseOnly]

4 games? I expect a much better performance by Clemson - especially on Offense. The full year for evaluating coordinators - if they get worse or stay the same, then we look at it.

I will say - we should be less flippant in digs at McDonald. Besides the fact that he seems to be a great guy, he also has a lot of friends in south Florida.

I never made a dig at McDonald at all, I think he will be great once the kinks get worked out of his system and he gets comfortable with play calling this year etc. He also needs to get used to his personell and maybe see their strengths for himself.

What I have is an issue with keeping underperforming players on the field for an extended tryout as the team loses, that to me is unacceptable.