Anyone else wondering why the dome needs to be replaced today

[IthacaBarrel]

of course it's a problem. whose problem is it? not some taxpayer who doesn't like your team

Syracuse isn't the only tenant here.. why are you so hung up on this one point? It would be different if they were the only entity.

 

[Millhouse]

Syracuse isn't the only tenant here.. why are you so hung up on this one point? It would be different if they were the only entity.

it's an expensive point

 

[GoSU96]

of course it's a problem. whose problem is it? not some taxpayer who doesn't like your team

If this project was limited to build a facility for the sole use of SU on its property you might have a point.

 

[Millhouse]

If this project was limited to build a facility for the sole use of SU on its property you might have a point.

The other uses are terrible investments too. Convention attendance down convention space up.

 

[BlazeOrange]

What, precisely, are the academic buildings the University wants to put where the Dome is? How many buildings could you put in that space and what are their value to the University vs. a Dome they own?

Don't know any specifics, but comparing the size of the Dome footprint with the existing buildings nearby would allow for quite a bit of construction:

 

[GoSU96]

it's an expensive point

So are court houses, jails, city halls, government office buildings, museums, library's, subways, bridges, roads, parks, docks, boat launches, golf courses, ball fields, schools, universities, sewer systems, water systems, police and fire departments, garbage pick up, road maintenance, arenas, stadiums, fairs, ...

All of the above could be privately provided and are in some context. They have also all been deemed public goods and have been publicly financed, built, and managed since men started gathering in communities and building cities.

They certainty range from essentials to nice to haves but there is nothing unusual or unique to having public financing of a public work, and in this case partial public funding.

Of course it's expensive, it's a large project, but so what, expense is only one part of the calculation. You completely ignore the benefit side or the expense in dealing with various existing facilities piecemeal.

This is a unique situation. SU can't pick up and leave if they don't get exceedingly favorable terms. We also don't need a stadium as big as RWilson, but we do need something bigger than the Buffalo Aud.

With this project we have the opportunity to combine the capabilities and functionality of both types of facilities into one and have it be the right size for both and also add tenants, increase usage and greatly improve the fan and participant experience. Create both an open air and closed arena, that is usable 365 24/7 in a medium sized upstate New York city. Is there a premium, yes if you are looking at it as just a football stadium.

Keep in mind, Minnesota just spent $288M for an 50K open air stadium. KFC YUM cost $238M for a 22K facility. This would be for less than those two combined and provide more functionality if done right.

 

[Millhouse]

So are court houses, jails, city halls, government office buildings, museums, library's, subways, bridges, roads, parks, docks, boat launches, golf courses, ball fields, schools, universities, sewer systems, water systems, police and fire departments, garbage pick up, road maintenance, arenas, stadiums, fairs, ... All of the above could be privately provided and are in some context. They have also all been deemed public goods and have been publicly financed, built, and managed since men started gathering in communities and building cities. They certainty range from essentials to nice to haves but there is nothing unusual or unique to having public financing of a public work, and in this case partial public funding. Of course it's expensive, it's a large project, but so what, expense is only one part of the calculation. You completely ignore the benefit side or the expense in dealing with various existing facilities piecemeal. This is a unique situation. SU can't pick up and leave if they don't get exceedingly favorable terms. We also don't need a stadium as big as RWilson, but we do need something bigger than the Buffalo Aud. With this project we have the opportunity to combine the capabilities and functionality of both types of facilities into one and have it be the right size for both and also add tenants, increase usage and greatly improve the fan and participant experience. Create both an open air and closed arena, that is usable 365 24/7 in a medium sized upstate New York city. Is there a premium, yes if you are looking at it as just a football stadium. Keep in mind, Minnesota just spent $288M for an 50K open air stadium. KFC YUM cost $238M for a 22K facility. This would be for less than those two combined and provide more functionality if done right.

A building with a roof that charges admission isn't a public good. Deem it that all you want, it just shows that you and others don't know what the term means

 

[GoSU96]

A building with a roof that charges admission isn't a public good. Deem it that all you want, it just shows that you and others don't know what the term means

Okay Dr. Keynes.

If being a definitional nudge makes you feel better, have at it.

I guess we should not have public financing of anything that can be provided privately or requires admission or a toll to access.

Al a carte government, got it.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Was not fun waiting in line for 30 minutes to go to the bathroom, get a drink or get caught in the hallways for 20 minutes. Anyone who has seen games in modern places with big screens nice seats, better food, better bathrooms would be crazy not to want to see the dome replaced. People will actually comes to games instead of stay home if the facilities are better.

 

[supp]

Okay Dr. Keynes.

If being a definitional nudge makes you feel better, have at it.

I guess we should not have public financing of anything that can be provided privately or requires admission or a toll to access.

Al a carte government, got it.

You got it the wrong way round. You're Keynes, he's Hayek. Although I'm not sure Keynes would agree a stadium is a good way for the govt to get the economy going.

 

[Millhouse]

Okay Dr. Keynes. If being a definitional nudge makes you feel better, have at it. I guess we should not have public financing of anything that can be provided privately or requires admission or a toll to access. Al a carte government, got it.

You're the one that brought up a term you don't understand

 

[Millhouse]

You got it the wrong way round. You're Keynes, he's Hayek. Although I'm not sure Keynes would agree a stadium is a good way for the govt to get the economy going.

He is feasting at Boston market and throwing the aftermath against the wall

 

[upperdeck]

Was not fun waiting in line for 30 minutes to go to the bathroom, get a drink or get caught in the hallways for 20 minutes. Anyone who has seen games in modern places with big screens nice seats, better food, better bathrooms would be crazy not to want to see the dome replaced. People will actually comes to games instead of stay home if the facilities are better.

it took me all of 10 min to get from my seat in the upper deck to the bathroom and back and peak times sat night.. it took me 30 min to get to thru to the bathroom at the pin stripe bowl and 45 to get thru the concession stand. the bath rooms at yankee stadium are dumps compared to the carrier dome. the flow issues can be fixed in the dome.

 

[SWC75]

The dome for all of its charm is pretty much dated and a dump. Like I said, if the plan is to renovate, phased to the high heavens over 5-6 years and to spend 200 mil. which much of it will be spent on fast track schedules and expediting long lead items then so be it but I don't think people will like it nor will the University. Talk about wasting money

This is a dump:

 

[SWC75]

This is the Carrier Dome:

 

[orangecuse]

Don't know any specifics, but comparing the size of the Dome footprint with the existing buildings nearby would allow for quite a bit of construction:

Wow, a picture certainly does paint a thousand words...

 

[Madbiker]

Hate to break it to people but su is a school which prides itself on academics. Football and basketball are side projects. The dome sits on a piece of property that could hold a bunch of buildings that would bring a ton of money into the university through its students.

Couldn't tell that from Canter's term. All she did was run down the academic ranking. There are plenty of other locations to build academic buildings and their location has nothing to do with the university's academic reputation or standing.

 

[Madbiker]

1. The farther a new facility is built from campus, the fewer students will attend the games. Like it or not the students are key to making a great atmosphere.

2. The more suites and club seats there are the more of a damper it puts on the overall atmosphere. They may be great from a revenue generation perspective but they take seats away from the rank and file raucous fans. Look no further than the new Yankee Stadium. The super expensive seats are bought by corporate entities and wealthy individuals who attend only the "big glamour games". When these groups attend they don't cheer much and when they don't you have lots of empty seats.

Long live the Dome!

 

[Cheriehoop]

Well, maybinnt so, but no comparison really imo. Syracuse was a local/regional program back then, playing the likes of St. Bonaventure, etc. in the ECAC game of week. The Dome just so happened to built at the perfect time. The advent of cable TV and ESPN (along with the Dome) launched SU's program into the stratosphere and became a national program. The Dome may be in need of some necessary improvements, but it certainly doesn't need to be replaced. It's recognized, not only nationally as an iconic structure, but internationally as well. No way a new stadium has anything close to the impact the Dome did, and still does as this past weekend attests. IMO, it's clearly unique and we should embrace and ride all that that entails for as long as we can.

Strange enough but Manley would have fit the footprint of most of the basketball arenas in the ACC.

 

[longtimefan]

So are court houses, jails, city halls, government office buildings, museums, library's, subways, bridges, roads, parks, docks, boat launches, golf courses, ball fields, schools, universities, sewer systems, water systems, police and fire departments, garbage pick up, road maintenance, arenas, stadiums, fairs, ...

All of the above could be privately provided and are in some context. They have also all been deemed public goods and have been publicly financed, built, and managed since men started gathering in communities and building cities.

They certainty range from essentials to nice to haves but there is nothing unusual or unique to having public financing of a public work, and in this case partial public funding.

Of course it's expensive, it's a large project, but so what, expense is only one part of the calculation. You completely ignore the benefit side or the expense in dealing with various existing facilities piecemeal.

This is a unique situation. SU can't pick up and leave if they don't get exceedingly favorable terms. We also don't need a stadium as big as RWilson, but we do need something bigger than the Buffalo Aud.

With this project we have the opportunity to combine the capabilities and functionality of both types of facilities into one and have it be the right size for both and also add tenants, increase usage and greatly improve the fan and participant experience. Create both an open air and closed arena, that is usable 365 24/7 in a medium sized upstate New York city. Is there a premium, yes if you are looking at it as just a football stadium.

Keep in mind, Minnesota just spent $288M for an 50K open air stadium. KFC YUM cost $238M for a 22K facility. This would be for less than those two combined and provide more functionality if done right.

The history of multi-use facilities is not good.

 

[longtimefan]

Was not fun waiting in line for 30 minutes to go to the bathroom, get a drink or get caught in the hallways for 20 minutes. Anyone who has seen games in modern places with big screens nice seats, better food, better bathrooms would be crazy not to want to see the dome replaced. People will actually comes to games instead of stay home if the facilities are better.

Actually, the trend is for more and more people to stay home and enjoy the games in the man cave. Even NFL football.

 

[swish7]

Dome was the star of espn all day. Why don't we want to keep it? What the f

Agreed. Renovate? Sure, I guess... MUST rebuild!!!! I'm not sold. The community has bigger issues than going bankrupt building a new stadium.

Building off-campus is just bonkers. What makes the dome so great and unique is that it is on campus. Build the dang needed university structures off campus if the university MUST have the land. Buy out brick city. Connect the university to Erie Blvd. That would be good for the community. F Destiny. If we MUST build a new stadium, then build it on campus and play all your home games at Cornell or in NYC.

The Dome is a known brand. You lose all that when you build something new. It would take a decade to build a new brand.

Snake oil salesmen whose uncles are in construction.

 

[swish7]

Well the university has stated that they want the land that the dome sits on for academic buildings. They have also said privately that they are done putting money into a 34 year old facility that needs millions of dollars to bring it up to current stadium standards. SU wants an off campus facility, and with the pull that they have in this town, I fully expect that they get one sooner rather than later.

The university can build its academic buildings off campus. They are educated idiots if they think

You are correct about academics being first. However their is a strong chance the Dome gets another 15 years

The university can build the desired academic buildings "off campus". The city could give the university land. This is a problem with > 1 solution.

 

[kirbivore]

I fear that what we will get will be an overpriced, cookie cutter, soulless arena rather than the unique landmark that we currently have.

We've seen this over the last 5 years in MLB with two of their signature franchises. The Red Sox renovated Fenway, and the Yankees built a new stadium. I'm a Yankes fan and I think the new Yankee Stadium is sadly the exact description given by OrangeDW.

 

[Millhouse]

Agreed. Renovate? Sure, I guess... MUST rebuild!!!! I'm not sold. The community has bigger issues than going bankrupt building a new stadium.

Building off-campus is just bonkers. What makes the dome so great and unique is that it is on campus. Build the dang needed university structures off campus if the university MUST have the land. Buy out brick city. Connect the university to Erie Blvd. That would be good for the community. F Destiny. If we MUST build a new stadium, then build it on campus and play all your home games at Cornell or in NYC.

The Dome is a known brand. You lose all that when you build something new. It would take a decade to build a new brand.

Snake oil salesmen whose uncles are in construction.

this project is more than half of what they spend to fix roads and bridges. go, those are public goods.

the state is broke because they spend all their money on stupid bullsh!t like replacing stadiums that are just fine

the stimulus was idiotic to begin with but 6 years later, the money is laying around to build a stadium?

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