Benny Williams

[tptcuse]

That is fair to a point and yet you look at how much Joe had regressed this year and he gets complete faith.

TBF Joe has had some good games this year. The second half of today was not one of them.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I truly wish in this instance people on this board know how hard a situation like this is on the player and the asst coaches (especially his recruiter Red) ... these assistant coaches work their butts off to help kids like Benny on and off the court. All to have the kid be forced to sit on the bench. He’s played 4 mins in the last 80. Think about that! The asst coaches are trying to put him in a spot to succeed and the head coach is not. It’s that simple. The leash is beyond short because he think the Jimmys of the world know the game better and will make less mistakes. It’s not true. Everyone makes mistakes. I feel for Red and Benny on this one. And it’s going to be a big loss when he decides this is not a good fit for him long term

Bulldog, you've been around a long time, and we all appreciate the inside info that you have. If this is the general tenor of the state of the program, then we're in for some earth-shaking circumstances in the very near future.
When Buddy was being shoved down our throats a coupla years ago, I steadfastly defended JB and the notion that some nepotism might be involved. As the year has borne out, I'm having a harder time doing so. The logic of this lineup, the allocation of PT, the inconsistency in criticism re; mistakes, the lack of bench development and/or usage... Something is not quite right in Denmark.

 

[Orangezoo]

TBF Joe has had some good games this year. The second half of today was not one of them.

Joe was the sole bright spot I thought for a while this season. That said he is in a funk and when that happens it's a major liability.

 

[chugg21]

Great comparison, you can’t convince me that Jesse playing even when he struggled didn’t make the player you see today. Practice is so important and I get that, but being on the court in games matters so much more.

Just absolute common sense. No shot whatsoever that JB would ever consider sacrificing anything this year for long term gain.

 

[Scooch]

This situation is a coaching failure no matter how you slice it. Either they wildly miscalculated and recruited one of the few 5 stars who can barely contribute his freshman year, or they’ve buried a kid for “reasons” in favor of others who have dramatically lower upside potential.

How many big time recruit failures can this program endure. It’s been happening with frequency for several years now.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

We ain't making the tournament.

A winning season is just about off the table too.

Let's just play Benny 15-20 minutes a game, come what may.

Yeah, the argument we’d lose the games if Benny got time fall completely flat when we lose the games he doesn’t play at all.

 

[Orangezoo]

This situation is a coaching failure no matter how you slice it. Either they wildly miscalculated and recruited one of the few 5 stars who can barely contribute his freshman year, or they’ve buried a kid for “reasons” in favor of others who have dramatically lower upside potential.

How many big time recruit failures can this program endure. It’s been happening with frequency for several years now.

I don't think Benny is a failure of a find. The kid showed a lot of things we could do early on and exhibitions but needed to work out the kinks being young. He showed he wanted to attack the lane and needed to be more selfish. JB went with experience given the tough opponents early. That actually made some sense but then as we clearly were headed to mediocrity- he missed getting this kid back in there with a Green light to do his thing. Even then Benny has looked better of late and all the sudden rug is pulled out with no explanation.

 

[dollarbill44]

He should have seen some minutes today. I have to believe he could have fouled the rebounder at the end, unless of course he made the bunny that didn't even clear the rim.

 

[two3zone]

This situation is a coaching failure no matter how you slice it. Either they wildly miscalculated and recruited one of the few 5 stars who can barely contribute his freshman year, or they’ve buried a kid for “reasons” in favor of others who have dramatically lower upside potential.

How many big time recruit failures can this program endure. It’s been happening with frequency for several years now.

If we didn’t “miss” on so many guys who “just aren’t ready” I’d believe it. I whole heartedly believe we just bury guys and the coach plays favorites.

 

[690West]

A winning season is just about off the table too.

Someone stole OX’s password. We’re 1 game under .500

 

[Alsacs]

Someone stole OX’s password. We’re 1 game under .500

He isn’t wrong.
I don’t think its an opinion that if had a betting line we would be + money to have a winning season.

 

[Bulldog04]

Bulldog, you've been around a long time, and we all appreciate the inside info that you have. If this is the general tenor of the state of the program, then we're in for some earth-shaking circumstances in the very near future.
When Buddy was being shoved down our throats a coupla years ago, I steadfastly defended JB and the notion that some nepotism might be involved. As the year has borne out, I'm having a harder time doing so. The logic of this lineup, the allocation of PT, the inconsistency in criticism re; mistakes, the lack of bench development and/or usage... Something is not quite right in Denmark.

I’ll say this, Boeheim has always run a “pro program” Meaning he isn’t micro managing the day to day and all that and the players always loved it because they had freedom to feel what the NBA life would be like because JB recruited players that were going to the NBA. That model works when you’re winning. It’s not working right now. The lack of travel and recruiting on his part really really slowed down about 4/5 years ago and the culture has changed most definitely. There so much I can’t share and not saying it’s all bad but it’s all about effort and dedication that isn’t there anymore. At 77 you’re supposed to be enjoying life. You have 50+m in the bank and yet feeling the need to prove you’re a good coach (and he is definitely worried about getting to 1000 wins I know for a fact) is a problem. It’s just so different

Winning used to cure everything that was lacking in the program but now losing is magnifying everything

 

[two3zone]

Someone stole OX’s password. We’re 1 game under .500

Which direction are we trending at? Brown and Cornell aren’t on the schedule anymore. We’ve won 1 of 5.

 

[phil77]

How many big time recruit failures can this program endure. It’s been happening with frequency for several years now.

I said this a couple weeks ago why do we always have the only highly rated recruits that for some reason get on the floor and look like a deer in headlights. This has to be coaching and development at this point. It’s seems like the same thing year after year. JB seems like the only coach who can’t get a top 30 recruit to be game ready.

 

[Orangezoo]

I said this a couple weeks ago why do we always have the only highly rated recruits that for some reason get on the floor and look like a deer in headlights. This has to be coaching and development at this point. It’s seems like the same thing year after year. JB seems like the only coach who can’t get a top 30 recruit to be game ready.

In fairness Hurley at UConn has this going on too right now. That said they are light years better in terms of record and trajectory.

 

[dollarbill44]

Joe was the sole bright spot I thought for a while this season. That said he is in a funk and when that happens it's a major liability.

That's why you develop a bench so you can rotate players in different configurations when guys slump.

 

[jdubs30]

I’ll say this, Boeheim has always run a “pro program” Meaning he isn’t micro managing the day to day and all that and the players always loved it because they had freedom to feel what the NBA life would be like because JB recruited players that were going to the NBA. That model works when you’re winning. It’s not working right now. The lack of travel and recruiting on his part really really slowed down about 4/5 years ago and the culture has changed most definitely. There so much I can’t share and not saying it’s all bad but it’s all about effort and dedication that isn’t there anymore. At 77 you’re supposed to be enjoying life. You have 50+m in the bank and yet feeling the need to prove you’re a good coach (and he is definitely worried about getting to 1000 wins I know for a fact) is a problem. It’s just so different

Winning used to cure everything that was lacking in the program but now losing is magnifying everything

And he ain’t getting to 1K wins this year

 

[DoctorBombay]

Why are we consistently recruiting guys who're "not ready" for 2-3 years?
Why aren't they given an opportunity to try & contribute, even when its screamingly obvious to anyone watching? The product on display sucks...period. Why does everyone else see this, and the glaring reasons why, except the HC? Baffling.

 

[RF2044]

This situation is a coaching failure no matter how you slice it. Either they wildly miscalculated and recruited one of the few 5 stars who can barely contribute his freshman year, or they’ve buried a kid for “reasons” in favor of others who have dramatically lower upside potential.

How many big time recruit failures can this program endure. It’s been happening with frequency for several years now.

It's far too early to consider Benny a flop.

So I see it a little bit differently. Not all freshmen are as ready to contribute early as others. So it's incumbent on the coaching staff to get them the developmental PT needed to get them to the point where they can be contributors.

We are an incredibly unathletic team. Other than Jesse, Benny is the one who could help change that dynamic. The fact that he's binged for the coach's kid is absurd. And I say that with no disrespect to Jimmy, who's been a pretty good player for us.

But he hasn't been so good that we can't even find 10 minutes per game for a 5-star recruit.

 

[phil77]

In fairness Hurley at UConn has this going on too right now. That said they are light years better in terms of record and trajectory.

Right I can understand limited minutes if we were 10-5 or something fighting each night for a place in the tournament but we are so far from that isn’t not even funny and to not give a top 30 recruit minutes so your son can pad his stats is criminal

 

[Scooch]

It's far too early to consider Benny a flop.

So I see it a little bit differently. Not all freshmen are as ready to contribute early as others. So it's incumbent on the coaching staff to get them the developmental PT needed to get them to the point where they can be contributors.

We are an incredibly unathletic team. Other than Jesse, Benny is the one who could help change that dynamic. The fact that he's binged for the coach's kid is absurd. And I say that with no disrespect to Jimmy, who's been a pretty good player for us.

But he hasn't been so good that we can't even find 10 minutes per game for a 5-star recruit.

I agree that he isn’t a flop. I’m just saying that this situation falls on the staff, either they can’t get this kid on the court, or he wasn’t good enough to begin with. I suspect it’s not that he isn’t good enough.

 

[NineOneSeven]

It's far too early to consider Benny a flop.

So I see it a little bit differently. Not all freshmen are as ready to contribute early as others. So it's incumbent on the coaching staff to get them the developmental PT needed to get them to the point where they can be contributors.

We are an incredibly unathletic team. Other than Jesse, Benny is the one who could help change that dynamic. The fact that he's binged for the coach's kid is absurd. And I say that with no disrespect to Jimmy, who's been a pretty good player for us.

But he hasn't been so good that we can't even find 10 minutes per game for a 5-star recruit.

10’ is so reasonable. It’s literally coming in at the under 16’ timeout, leaving right before the mid way point, and doing it again the second half. It’s not that tough.

 

[Scooch]

This situation is a coaching failure no matter how you slice it. Either they wildly miscalculated and recruited one of the few 5 stars who can barely contribute his freshman year, or they’ve buried a kid for “reasons” in favor of others who have dramatically lower upside potential.

How many big time recruit failures can this program endure. It’s been happening with frequency for several years now.

I should be clear… I don’t think most of the recent “failures” are entirely on the player. We seem to have a problem getting highly rated recruits on the court and contributing meaningfully in their first year. It’s very concerning given the current landscape of the game.

 

[RF2044]

I agree that he isn’t a flop. I’m just saying that this situation falls on the staff, either they can’t get this kid on the court, or he wasn’t good enough to begin with. I suspect it’s not that he isn’t good enough.

Or the third option, he's good enough to get some minutes, but Boeheim has no incentive to play him cuz he'd rather give forward rotation minutes to his son.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I said this a couple weeks ago why do we always have the only highly rated recruits that for some reason get on the floor and look like a deer in headlights. This has to be coaching and development at this point. It’s seems like the same thing year after year. JB seems like the only coach who can’t get a top 30 recruit to be game ready.

And when we do get promising recruits, they get benched and/or thrown under the bus in public. We had 2 such recruits last year with one essentially getting shut down (name rhymes with Goody), and one being limited for specious reasons known only to the HC. Unreal