Buddy suspended for Duke

[DilemaCuse]

It chafes me, though, that JAB said it was "inadvertent." Did he walk that back yet? That's bad. Stupid. It's like, JAB: "Who you gonna believe? Me, or your own lyin' eyes?"

How does someone not coach him up before the presser so he doesnt make an a$$ out of himself

 

[pfister1]

What might help Buddy's cause is that the refs didn't call a foul, a technical nor an ejection on Buddy. However, in the rule book it does say that the conference can look at a suspension afterwards for a fight. Flagrant 2 is mentioned 163 times in the rule book, trip is mentioned 4 times, suspension is mentioned eight times but punch isn't mentioned at all. The definition of a flagrant 2 is on page 48.

Page 106: The following apply to situations in which a fight has been reported by an official during his jurisdiction. When a fight is not reported by an official, the conference or assigning authority may invoke its own penalty. For the rules on suspensions for fighting. (See Rule 10-5)

Page 48: 2. Flagrant 2 personal foul. A flagrant 2 personal foul is a personal foul that involves contact with an opponent that is not only excessive, but also severe (brutal, harsh, cruel) or extreme (dangerous, punishing),while the ball is live. In determining whether a foul has risen to the level of a flagrant 2, officials should consider the following: a) The severity of the contact; b) Whether a player is making a legitimate effort to block a shot. Note that a player may still be assessed a flagrant 2 foul on an attempted blocked shot when there are other factors, such as hard contact to the head or the defender winding up or emphatically following through with the contact. Depending on the nature of the contact, or the result of the contact, this foul also could be considered a flagrant 1 or common personal foul; c) The potential for injury resulting from the contact (e.g., a blow to the head or a foul committed while the player was in a vulnerable position). Depending on the nature of the contact, or the result of the contact, the foul also could be considered a flagrant 1 or common personal foul; d) Any contact by the offending player to the groin area of an opponent which is not clearly accidental; and e) Any foul similar to the foul described in Rule 4-15.2.c.1.g in which the contact, or the result of the contact, is not only excessive but also severe or extreme. Note: The above acts represent examples of potential flagrant 2 fouls. Other acts may also qualify, if they meet the criteria of being not only excessive but also severe or extreme.

https://a.espncdn.com/sec/media/2021/NCAA%20MBB%20Playing%20Rules%20Book.pdf

Well we know there was no fight. FSU barely looked alive.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Wake is gonna be sweating on Sunday I bet

 

[Bornorange]

What is the League going to do with the State player who fouled Buddy prior to the punch? He clearly fouled Buddy. They may not want to punish Buddy because then they are going to have to explain the lack of a whistle on State also.

 

[Consigliere]

Can someone quote the NCAA or ACC rule that mandates a suspension if you throw a "punch?" I see the penalty for a Flagrant 2 is an ejection. If the officials had reviewed and ejected Buddy it's story over, but since they didn't, the leagus should step in after the fact and impose a much stricter penalty?

 

[Orangezoo]

What is the League going to do with the State player who fouled Buddy prior to the punch? He clearly fouled Buddy. They may not want to punish Buddy because then they are going to have to explain the lack of a whistle on State also.

They have gone long past giving a crap about that stuff for us. It's almost expected that we get shorted on whistles as an outsider in the ACC.

 

[djcon57]

Can someone quote the NCAA or ACC rule that mandates a suspension if you throw a "punch?" I see the penalty for a Flagrant 2 is an ejection. If the officials had reviewed and ejected Buddy it's story over, but since they didn't, the leagus should step in after the fact and impose a much stricter penalty?

“Anytime an individual uses a closed fist in an unsportsmanlike manner, it shall be deemed that the individual has initiated a fighting act and shall be penalized accordingly“

followed by

”The first time an individual participates in a fight during the season (including exhibition games), the individual shall be suspended from participating in the team’s next regular-season game (not an exhibition contest), including tournament competition“

 

[Cuse Action]

What is the League going to do with the State player who fouled Buddy prior to the punch? He clearly fouled Buddy. They may not want to punish Buddy because then they are going to have to explain the lack of a whistle on State also.

Leonard Hamilton is class personified.

 

[Jake]

“Anytime an individual uses a closed fist in an unsportsmanlike manner, it shall be deemed that the individual has initiated a fighting act and shall be penalized accordingly“

followed by

”The first time an individual participates in a fight during the season (including exhibition games), the individual shall be suspended from participating in the team’s next regular-season game (not an exhibition contest), including tournament competition“

That language does leave wiggle room.

“Penalized accordingly” may not be a full game suspension, they may not deem what occurred a “fight”.

 

[dollarbill44]

What is the League going to do with the State player who fouled Buddy prior to the punch? He clearly fouled Buddy. They may not want to punish Buddy because then they are going to have to explain the lack of a whistle on State also.

So, do you want the league to award a post-game foul? All that would have been was a routine foul (and a borderline one at that), nothing more.

 

[orange79]

Leonard Hamilton is class personified.

Yep. Very classy response by him.

 

[Jake]

So the officials went to the monitor, after the SECOND dead ball foul after the incident occurred. That was the errant pass by FSU.

Sid’s second foul was the first dead ball.

I think that prevented them from acting on Buddy’s incident.

 

[JustPherU]

Does the league have the option of suspending Buddy for a half?

 

[JRHEETER]

I just wish the ACC would make a decision and gut punch all of us fans

 

[djcon57]

That language does leave wiggle room.

“Penalized accordingly” may not be a full game suspension, they may not deem what occurred a “fight”.

Totally. the “closed fist is deemed a fighting act” is the part I was more referring to

 

[orange79]

This thread hits 25 pages by tip off tomorrow 7 PM Eastern time tonight.

Fixed

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Fixed

Just proud of the work done here while I was in a meeting.

 

[CousCuse]

Totally. the “closed fist is deemed a fighting act” is the part I was more referring to

The grand jury is not accepting your indictment. Case dismissed.

 

[Cuse Action]

So, do you want the league to award a post-game foul? All that would have been was a routine foul (and a borderline one at that), nothing more.

That was not a routine foul, not even close.

 

[blust2i3d4]

Buddy got away with a punch to the gut of an FSU player

If you watch the tape from the start. The FSU pushed him first. Buddy just reacted. If someone plays dirty on you, you fight back.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[HoustonCuse]

The infamous Iowa game where the ref called a foul on Roosevelt Bouie and then said to him , "that's your 5th Rosie you're out of here"

The Marquette over and back, the Butler suplex, the phantom out of bounds on Cooney (we actually survived that one).

 

[orange79]

Just proud of the work done here while I was in a meeting.

 

[jdubs30]

The Marquette over and back, the Butler suplex, the phantom out of bounds on Cooney (we actually survived that one).

The Triche “charge”

 

[blust2i3d4]

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1. I think when Buddy go sun tan, he should not cover his head.

2. I think Buddy is too young to have chest hair. He is mature for his age.