Class of 2020 C Eddie Lampkin (TX) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/2/24)

[Sherman20]

I think my point is being missed. I’m showing what Fran has been able to build in the offseason with more disadvantages than what Red has on the basketball side of things.

The original question was in regards to the advantages the basketball program has over the football program and why the football team has been able to do a complete 180 in the offseason from a perception point of view. Meanwhile, the basketball program seems to be faltering?

It had nothing to do with actual game-planning or actual gameday coaching.

I believe Kiyan could be a difference maker in changing the perception of SU basketball. The problem is, that is still 1 year away. I’m concerned that we missed on pg options and now our best transfer is playing games with us. It could be a very concerning year. The. You’re looking at two really poor years and the pressure is tenfold. Now you have the pressure on you and diminishing resources to build a team around kiyan.

By the way, did we ever hire 2 additional coaches we are allotted that are not allowed to recruit? Maybe I missed something, but that seems like a miss on the administration or Red to not fill those positions. Maybe an offensive and defensive coordinator.

“By the way, did we ever hire 2 additional coaches we are allotted that are not allowed to recruit? Maybe I missed something, but that seems like a miss on the administration or Red to not fill those positions. Maybe an offensive and defensive coordinator.”
Yeah, I believe you’re right about this, we should be able to hire a couple of “special assistants,” but I don’t think we have. I think Red should do that if the administration can get him the money. I’d love to see a young offensive innovator/data geek added to the staff to assist the coaches on that end.

 

[im4cuse]

Well said Grasshopper.

Yes it’s all about “you” and what u can get. Me and mine. NIL funds are a zero sum game. What he was able to up leaves less for others aka teammates.
But I’m from a very different era. My father served in the Normandy theatre at age 19. That’s the generation that raised me. I have given generously to this school from which I earned three degrees. Have attended every final 4 since I was a student in 1975.
This is a fan board. I can have an opinion. Unless those rules have changed too.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Gotta figure they both cost more tbh but could be wrong…. Esp given what Ballo got

If it’s more it wasn‘t much more. Heck, we could have got a Kadary level pg.

 

[Sherman20]

Good on him. Terrible on our roster managemen and strategy for who we went after this offseason.

How is it bad roster management? Can you specify what we did wrong?

 

[Sherman20]

If he’s getting what I heard we could have offered Amari Williams or Big Cliff. Heck we may have got an All Conference point guard.

I don’t think that’s true at all.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don’t think that’s true at all.

You would be wrong.

 

[Forloveoforange]

If he’s getting what I heard we could have offered Amari Williams or Big Cliff. Heck we may have got an All Conference point guard.

Offering is not getting. We may have is a maybe.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Does Mr. No Destination have a wealthy father/family? Have seen some hints to that before but no clue what the background is or if I'm making that up.

 

[kcsu]

I think that Red and the staff have done an excellent job since taking over from Jim. First lets all admit that the program was a mess. Jim left Red in a bad spot and for him to pull together 20 wins given what he inherited, the injuries, benny and whatever other drama he needed to clean up i find that pretty amazing.

Going into next season we have solid if not excellent players at all 5 positions. If Chance and McClead are healthy we are two deep at every position. I hope that we add another shooter and i would like to see Patterson come back. 12 kids on the roster not including walk ons would be fine. On paper i like this team. Lets see how the chemistry plays out but i do think we make the dance.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I still don’t know the actual reason.

Same, I've done a lot of digging around here and coming up nothing. As you can imagine, there's no big passionate fan base or sources for CU hoops like SU.

 

[cardiac]

Yes. His father sold an air purifying company during the pandemic.

CNY’s HealthWay sells family’s booming air purifier business to private equity group

Demand soars for Pulaski's company's products during coronavirus pandemic.

www.syracuse.com

Are you joking? That’s not his dad

 

[Cusefan0307]

Are you joking? That’s not his dad

My mistake then. I thought it was this kids family.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Well, Brown is continuing to contact a couple of football recruits who have verb committed to other schools. Is that ok?

Believe that a verbal commitment is an agreement/statement and not a final all encompassing legally binding one. Recruits have flipped their verbal commitment to other schools for decades.

Nothing is final until there is a written agreement between the recruit and the school.

 

[RF2044]

I think that Red and the staff have done an excellent job since taking over from Jim. First lets all admit that the program was a mess. Jim left Red in a bad spot and for him to pull together 20 wins given what he inherited, the injuries, benny and whatever other drama he needed to clean up i find that pretty amazing.

Going into next season we have solid if not excellent players at all 5 positions. If Chance and McClead are healthy we are two deep at every position. I hope that we add another shooter and i would like to see Patterson come back. 12 kids on the roster not including walk ons would be fine. On paper i like this team. Lets see how the chemistry plays out but i do think we make the dance.

Yes, the program was a mess.

Which is why posters who expressed that they were fine with JB remaining as the coach as long as he wanted to were insane.

 

[CU44SE]

Exactly. When things looked bad and I went to take a look at the list of best 5’s left in the portal and saw Patterson’s name I knew we had no other options. Good for him and his people getting what the market says he’s worth.

People harping on a kid making the max he can during his last year of college. I think people better take a look in the mirror and ask what they would’ve done.

Even as fans it’s fine to hate the system, seriously screw the NCAA but don’t hate the player just for working the system. Big Eddie didn’t make the system and he didn’t force ol Buzz and his Texas money to call him and offer him the money

You’re kidding right? Good on him to go back on what was agreed on? After Syracuse thought they had everything locked down? Therefore preventing us from adding other pieces?

Syracuse got hoodwinked here. Came to an agreement with a player (NCAA didn’t allow them to sign a contract and he wasn’t enrolled in classes) and then tried to leave them at the alter at midnight when all the other options were picked over? Syracuse then had to scramble 1, maybe a second time to secure funds just to pay one player. Limiting other options outside of Lampkin.

I think we have very different view points here. I will always root for the team over the player. This became a necessary evil to match the offer. But it put the team in a terrible situation. So yes, I’m mad at the player. He’s a mercenary that put my favorite team in a no win situation. IMO, he has a lot of work to do to make me a fan. Winning will do that. But until then, I am not a fan of his antics. This is what Red apparently wanted to get away from and led to some of the issues last year.

 

[skeeter223]

Can anyone explain to me how academics work in this open transfer proces. How do these kids seem to automatically qualify wherever they go ?? Did we forget these are academic institutions?

In response: (1) No (2) Still a mystery (3) Yes

 

[richmondcuse03]

Are you joking? That’s not his dad

He's from Mass -- Holland is last name.

 

[Niastri]

Honestly the options at the 5 that were more affordable and better were what?

Lampkin is exactly what this team needed. We have an elite shooter in Bell, and a bunch of guys who can hit an open three.

What we needed was a guy who would force opponents to give those guys space. Lampkin is just like Arinze Onuaku. He has to be guarded in the post, usually doubled, or he will score at a very high rate. Except, Lampkin is a great passer.

Having Lampkin is going to really help the offense.

Lampkin also is the big body we've wanted since Georgetown and Pitt started bullying us 20 years ago... Nobody is doing that with Lampkin out there. It is going to be refreshing to always have the biggest guy on the court, whether it's Lampkin or the Highlander.

 

[Red2003]

You’re kidding right? Good on him to go back on what was agreed on? After Syracuse thought they had everything locked down? Therefore preventing us from adding other pieces?

Syracuse got hoodwinked here. Came to an agreement with a player (NCAA didn’t allow them to sign a contract and he wasn’t enrolled in classes) and then tried to leave them at the alter at midnight when all the other options were picked over? Syracuse then had to scramble 1, maybe a second time to secure funds just to pay one player. Limiting other options outside of Lampkin.

I think we have very different view points here. I will always root for the team over the player. This became a necessary evil to match the offer. But it put the team in a terrible situation. So yes, I’m mad at the player. He’s a mercenary that put my favorite team in a no win situation. IMO, he has a lot of work to do to make me a fan. Winning will do that. But until then, I am not a fan of his antics. This is what Red apparently wanted to get away from and led to some of the issues last year.

It's not the player vs the team. It's the player vs the system, No offense but Eddie don't care about your feelings when it comes to a 20-30% pay increase. You can resent them if you want but i'll say again he didn't break any rule or code of conduct or break the law or do anything ethically wrong. If I have two job offers and I have not signed a contract I can do whatever I want. The NCAA put the players in the system and this is what happens.

The losing bidder can be pissed of course. We have now taken several players and their best football recruiter from a Texas A&M school that doesn't even know where Syracuse is on the map, honestly we should've expected this kind of crap. I'd hate to be a Texas A&M fan right now if Cuse is going to snipe other players from them.

For those actually paying attention the system has already changed just like that so all this whining may be a moot point by next year. Bet your butts large universities paying the player instead of random NIL collectives will look alot different.

NCAA, Power 5 agree to let schools pay players

The NCAA and its leagues are moving forward with a multibillion-dollar settlement agreement that will allow schools to directly pay players for the first time in the history of college sports.

www.espn.com

 

[jordoo]

Yes it’s all about “you” and what u can get. Me and mine. NIL funds are a zero sum game. What he was able to up leaves less for others aka teammates.
But I’m from a very different era. My father served in the Normandy theatre at age 19. That’s the generation that raised me. I have given generously to this school from which I earned three degrees. Have attended every final 4 since I was a student in 1975.
This is a fan board. I can have an opinion. Unless those rules have changed too.

I don't believe anyone said you can't have an opinion. This seems to be a common defense around here when an unpopular view is expressed.

If you find your philosophies of ethics more beneficial to society as a whole, you do them no service by being the "get off my lawn guy" in my humble opinion. You are better served to meet them where they are, have the discussion and sell your "better philosophy" with your better results and behaviors. Attraction rather than promotion especially in this instant gratification world that has been bombarding young people with promotional information.

As far as Eddie or any of these other kids, what did they go to college for? Isn't the end goal to be more valuable in the job market? Its very easy on an internet board to tell someone else they should give away their money.

Eddie gives us a post presence and a guy to run the offense through. He is a capable and willing passer. These things are valuable and what the staff is looking for. Eddie is smart enough to recognize his value as are the coaches of other teams who were trying to get him away from us.

 

[Red2003]

Lampkin is exactly what this team needed. We have an elite shooter in Bell, and a bunch of guys who can hit an open three.

What we needed was a guy who would force opponents to give those guys space. Lampkin is just like Arinze Onuaku. He has to be guarded in the post, usually doubled, or he will score at a very high rate. Except, Lampkin is a great passer.

Having Lampkin is going to really help the offense.

Lampkin also is the big body we've wanted since Georgetown and Pitt started bullying us 20 years ago... Nobody is doing that with Lampkin out there. It is going to be refreshing to airways have the biggest guy on the court, whether it's Lampkin or the Highlander.

I agree, also for a team that desperately needs a tourney appearance let me check my notes. Oh right he's the only player on our roster that has seen the post season. Sometimes that's what you need in the locker room.

 

[MDCuse]

I think that Red and the staff have done an excellent job since taking over from Jim. First lets all admit that the program was a mess. Jim left Red in a bad spot and for him to pull together 20 wins given what he inherited, the injuries, benny and whatever other drama he needed to clean up i find that pretty amazing.

Going into next season we have solid if not excellent players at all 5 positions. If Chance and McClead are healthy we are two deep at every position. I hope that we add another shooter and i would like to see Patterson come back. 12 kids on the roster not including walk ons would be fine. On paper i like this team. Lets see how the chemistry plays out but i do think we make the dance.

This! Every bit of this! I don't think people realize what a hole Jim left this program in. I get the Lampkin situation was a bit messy and Red appears to have gotten a bit desperate but what he's done since he took over has been fantastic. He had a mish-mash roster that he pushed to 20 wins (something Jim hadn't done since 18-19), recorded more ACC wins than Jim had since the initial ACC season, purged a poorly constructed roster and landed the best recruit we have seen since Melo. It hasn't been perfect, I get that but this team has every opportunity to be really really good.

 

[CU44SE]

It's not the player vs the team. It's the player vs the system, No offense but Eddie don't care about your feelings when it comes to a 20-30% pay increase. You can resent them if you want but i'll say again he didn't break any rule or code of conduct or break the law or do anything ethically wrong. If I have two job offers and I have not signed a contract I can do whatever I want. The NCAA put the players in the system and this is what happens.

The losing bidder can be pissed of course. We have now taken several players and their best football recruiter from a Texas A&M school that doesn't even know where Syracuse is on the map, honestly we should've expected this kind of crap. I'd hate to be a Texas A&M fan right now if Cuse is going to snipe other players from them.

For those actually paying attention the system has already changed just like that so all this whining may be a moot point by next year. Bet your butts large universities paying the player instead of random NIL collectives will look alot different.

NCAA, Power 5 agree to let schools pay players

The NCAA and its leagues are moving forward with a multibillion-dollar settlement agreement that will allow schools to directly pay players for the first time in the history of college sports.

www.espn.com

NIL is not going away. Look at the WNBA Aces for example. NIL will still play a roll even if the universities are starting to pay the players.

And I know Lampkin doesn’t care what I think. My point being, I’m pissed at Lampkin cause I root for Syracuse University. Lampkin messed with our offseason, and prevented us from getting better in other areas by renegotiating like he did. I’m on record of saying nothing illegal happened. But as a fan, he hurt our program. And the only way to rectify that is to produce and win a lot of games.

Remember just yesterday when you said we don’t have Syracuse fans anymore and only have a bunch of NBA Scouts. You’re completely ignoring how this affected Syracuse University and the ability to get more players at other positions of need. He renegotiated multiple times and held us hostage. We had no chance but to match the offer so late in the game. But that goes against everything Red was trying to accomplish. And here you are applauding the player.

You’re essentially saying good for the player even if it was at the expense of Syracuse University.

 

[grepal]

I don't believe anyone said you can't have an opinion. This seems to be a common defense around here when an unpopular view is expressed.

If you find your philosophies of ethics more beneficial to society as a whole, you do them no service by being the "get off my lawn guy" in my humble opinion. You are better served to meet them where they are, have the discussion and sell your "better philosophy" with your better results and behaviors. Attraction rather than promotion especially in this instant gratification world that has been bombarding young people with promotional information.

As far as Eddie or any of these other kids, what did they go to college for? Isn't the end goal to be more valuable in the job market? Its very easy on an internet board to tell someone else they should give away their money.

Eddie gives us a post presence and a guy to run the offense through. He is a capable and willing passer. These things are valuable and what the staff is looking for. Eddie is smart enough to recognize his value as are the coaches of other teams who were trying to get him away from us.

Fact is very simple if we want better players, we make better NIL available. I do not like it, free agency every year. Kids can't have a favorite player over four years ant more and worse, sometimes a player fans love leaves for an opponent or conference rival. on the other hand, all you need is a deep check book and you can turn any program around legally now.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

when was the last time a kid was academically ineligible?

Fab Melo?