Class of 2020 C Eddie Lampkin (TX) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/2/24)

[Capt. Tuttle]

Fact is very simple if we want better players, we make better NIL available. I do not like it, free agency every year. Kids can't have a favorite player over four years ant more and worse, sometimes a player fans love leaves for an opponent or conference rival. on the other hand, all you need is a deep check book and you can turn any program around legally now.

NIL is different than free transfers. If the transfers without sitting out 1 year were limited to once as an undergraduate and once as a graduate, that would temper the number of transfers.

 

[4evaOrange]

What the dealo cameloooo

 

[Cappy3]

In response: (1) No (2) Still a mystery (3) Yes

Academics soon won’t matter at all (if they have for a while) since players are going to be fully compensated employees.

 

[Red2003]

NIL is not going away. Look at the WNBA Aces for example. NIL will still play a roll even if the universities are starting to pay the players.

And I know Lampkin doesn’t care what I think. My point being, I’m pissed at Lampkin cause I root for Syracuse University. Lampkin messed with our offseason, and prevented us from getting better in other areas by renegotiating like he did. I’m on record of saying nothing illegal happened. But as a fan, he hurt our program. And the only way to rectify that is to produce and win a lot of games.

Remember just yesterday when you said we don’t have Syracuse fans anymore and only have a bunch of NBA Scouts. You’re completely ignoring how this affected Syracuse University and the ability to get more players at other positions of need. He renegotiated multiple times and held us hostage. We had no chance but to match the offer so late in the game. But that goes against everything Red was trying to accomplish. And here you are applauding the player.

You’re essentially saying good for the player even if it was at the expense of Syracuse University.

I’m looking closely at the WNBA Aces right now and will spend my weekend researching how they compare with Cuse Men’s hoops.

Hopefully SU and our staff learned a valuable lesson with how this played out and it won’t happen again with the rule changes already anyway.

Eddie is on campus and like it or not he’s a huge part of the team next year and we have a lot riding on him. I’d almost take it as far as saying Autry’s career as head coach is on the line. If he’s a bust Autrys butt will be on fire heading into year 3.

 

[CU44SE]

I’m looking closely at the WNBA Aces right now and will spend my weekend researching how they compare with Cuse Men’s hoops.

Hopefully SU and our staff learned a valuable lesson with how this played out and it won’t happen again with the rule changes already anyway.

Eddie is on campus and like it or not he’s a huge part of the team next year and we have a lot riding on him. I’d almost take it as far as saying Autry’s career as head coach is on the line. If he’s a bust Autrys butt will be on fire heading into year 3.

Someone in Vegas is paying every WNBA aces player on the team 100,000 dollars for name image and likeness sponsorships. Navigating the WNBA Salary cap. The average WNBA salary is 102,000 dollars. So everyone on the aces is getting an additional 100,000 dollars more than any other team.

The point, paying players for NIL is not going away even when the colleges start paying players. NIL can be used in every sport. I assume that it doesn’t occur in most professional settings because the top players are already signing massive deals and NIL money would be so irrelevant. That’s not the case in college, even when the teams start paying players. If not the top players, the medium and lower end players will get more NIL to ensure that player goes to that school.

 

[Niastri]

I think this is about the ambiguous statement(s) from Lampkin himself, about how he ‘couldn’t go back to Boulder/Colorado’ or somesuch. I’ve read that a few times, and then there have been reaction posts from us that have ‘interpreted’ that in various ways, from relationship issues to conditioning related to the altitude. I still don’t know the actual reason.

My understanding (from reading a bunch of articles, his former team fan boards, and this monstrous thread) is that Lampkin had trouble with the altitude. His weight gain and lack of endurance last season would support this, but it may be hearsay and not his own words.

But he was heavy to finish the season compared to current photos, and he also moved like he might have been injured at the end of last season. He had a definite hitch in his gossip giddy-uo that wasn't there during his most recent workout videos.

The fact he dominated in the NCAA tournament despite bad conditioning and a possible injury really bodes well for us if both those things are ameliorated this off season.

 

[Niastri]

I feel like I missed something in the first 80 pages but we're thinking Eddie could be one of the best centers in the country next year?

I don't think anybody expects him to be the best center in the country in an absolute sense... He's not getting drafted higher than any of Duke's 4 lottery pick centers and forwards, for instance.

But his skill set on offense might make him the best center in the country for us.

Also, the contrast between the Highlander and Lampkin's playing styles and body types might make for synergy as they are rotated in and out quickly.

 

[MikeSU02]

Good on him. Terrible on our roster managemen and strategy for who we went after this offseason.

Bingo. This is a crazy overpay and the way that it dragged on is awful and limited what else we could do.

Our roster is maybe bubble, at best, now and we had to scramble just to be here.

As Day2 stated, this was a scramble for Red, not for Cuse. We aren't doing anything of note this year with this roster.

Glad Lampkin is getting some Cuse swag. Cool.

 

[Niastri]

NIL is not going away. Look at the WNBA Aces for example. NIL will still play a roll even if the universities are starting to pay the players.

And I know Lampkin doesn’t care what I think. My point being, I’m pissed at Lampkin cause I root for Syracuse University. Lampkin messed with our offseason, and prevented us from getting better in other areas by renegotiating like he did. I’m on record of saying nothing illegal happened. But as a fan, he hurt our program. And the only way to rectify that is to produce and win a lot of games.

Remember just yesterday when you said we don’t have Syracuse fans anymore and only have a bunch of NBA Scouts. You’re completely ignoring how this affected Syracuse University and the ability to get more players at other positions of need. He renegotiated multiple times and held us hostage. We had no chance but to match the offer so late in the game. But that goes against everything Red was trying to accomplish. And here you are applauding the player.

You’re essentially saying good for the player even if it was at the expense of Syracuse University.

I definitely believe Lampkin did the right thing for himself, taking care of himself in an unregulated free market. The whole nature of this college free agency is technically illegal, so there aren't any rules at all. He helped himself, and is much better off as a result.

I also hold resentment, as you do, for screwing with our team's plan this off season. Birth things can be true.

I also am very relieved things wound up with him in Syracuse.

My hope is that, in six months, if not earlier, the consensus among Syracuse fans is:

Lampkin, Worth Every Penny!

 

[Orangezoo]

Bingo. This is a crazy overpay and the way that it dragged on is awful and limited what else we could do.

Our roster is maybe bubble, at best, now and we had to scramble just to be here.

As Day2 stated, this was a scramble for Red, not for Cuse. We aren't doing anything of note this year with this roster.

Glad Lampkin is getting some Cuse swag. Cool.

Not knocking you but do you really think we should be able to land a class like Amari/big cliff while keeping Maliq and then getting a PG like Kadary? I mean I think the portal has created this expectation of super teams and that we should expect to be putting those kind of teams on the floor.

Donnie , JJ and Bell I’m sure are not cheap I’m sure and assuming Chance wasn’t either even with the injury. Now you add 3 more guys plus whoever else… that are all more experienced and thus cost money maybe more than what you see with a freshman.

 

[Niastri]

Bingo. This is a crazy overpay and the way that it dragged on is awful and limited what else we could do.

Our roster is maybe bubble, at best, now and we had to scramble just to be here.

As Day2 stated, this was a scramble for Red, not for Cuse. We aren't doing anything of note this year with this roster.

Glad Lampkin is getting some Cuse swag. Cool.

I wish people would stop saying the word overpay when they clearly don't understand what it means. We aren't at a convenient store where we can go half a mile to find another store selling the same candy bar for less. Lampkin, and other players with his size and skill, are rare. And every team wants them.

Other teams are paying similar players as much or more than we're paying Lampkin. There are only so many skilled, experienced, big men to go around, and most of them are in the NBA.

Another team tried to poach him from us by offering this much money!

If the market says he is worth this much money, it isn't an overpay, it is exactly what he's worth.

 

[MikeSU02]

I wish people would stop saying the word overpay when they clearly don't understand what it means. We aren't at a convenient store where we can go half a mile to find another store selling the same candy bar for less. Lampkin, and other players with his size and skill, are rare. And every team wants them.

Other teams are paying similar players as much or more than we're paying Lampkin. There are only so many skilled, experienced, big men to go around, and most of them are in the NBA.

Another team tried to poach him from us by offering this much money!

If the market says he is worth this much money, it isn't an overpay, it is exactly what he's worth.

Nah. I’ll call it an overpay. We can just disagree.

 

[MikeSU02]

Not knocking you but do you really think we should be able to land a class like Amari/big cliff while keeping Maliq and then getting a PG like Kadary? I mean I think the portal has created this expectation of super teams and that we should expect to be putting those kind of teams on the floor.

What super team? We aren’t even a roster that’s a lock for the tournament.

Should the expectation be that this is who we are now? If so, all good. But let’s be real about the roster we have

 

[DilemaCuse]

Fab Melo?

Good call and that was 12 years ago now?

My last one I remember was Quade Green at UW back in 2020, that started the downfall for Hop at UW

 

[Day2]

I wish people would stop saying the word overpay when they clearly don't understand what it means. We aren't at a convenient store where we can go half a mile to find another store selling the same candy bar for less. Lampkin, and other players with his size and skill, are rare. And every team wants them.

Other teams are paying similar players as much or more than we're paying Lampkin. There are only so many skilled, experienced, big men to go around, and most of them are in the NBA.

Another team tried to poach him from us by offering this much money!

If the market says he is worth this much money, it isn't an overpay, it is exactly what he's worth.

I wish people would stop pretending the word overpay doesn’t exist.

 

[djcon57]

What super team? We aren’t even a roster that’s a lock for the tournament.

Should the expectation be that this is who we are now? If so, all good. But let’s be real about the roster we have

We can’t be real about it. We have to just cross our fingers and hope things fall our way. Every year in recent history.

No tourney for 3 years. And still never seen an “I was wrong” post about the mess of the end of JBs run. But if Lumpkin wills us to a 21 win NIT season, your post will be bumped

 

[Niastri]

Nah. I’ll call it an overpay. We can just disagree.

Sure... You do you.

People literally use words incorrectly constantly. Irregardless, it isn't my jurisdiction.

 

[Orangezoo]

What super team? We aren’t even a roster that’s a lock for the tournament.

Should the expectation be that this is who we are now? If so, all good. But let’s be real about the roster we have

Not my question I’m asking is it the expectation that we should be able to put a team like a Cliff/Amari with Donnie, Bell, JJ and Kadary ( or other top 3 PG) on the floor with expensive depth too? That would be a top 10 team on paper that was bought through the portal.

We are arguing names vs results at this early juncture in Reds tenure. UConn went with HS kids and a couple portal guys that weren’t huge names just solid gets. I just think people are getting way too caught up in chasing rankings and bigger names and not putting together a complete team.

I said it before but we are operating in an echo chamber as a fan base too as though other bigger programs aren’t battling with the same concerns.

The teams that have had success have taken different paths with the portal to meet with what they want to do. Last year felt more like name shopping- this year seems to have more strategy behind it. Maybe I’m wrong but I think it’s waaaay too early to be considering this off season a crash and burn just because of the portal rankings of who we landed.

 

[Bayside44]

Shirtworld?

 

[Orangezoo]

We can’t be real about it. We have to just cross our fingers and hope things fall our way. Every year in recent history.

No tourney for 3 years. And still never seen an “I was wrong” post about the mess of the end of JBs run. But if Lumpkin wills us to a 21 win NIT season, your post will be bumped

If we end up in another disappointing season then the clock starts ticking on Red. We’ve been conditioned to expect disappointment and failure and it comes out in every single post anymore. We just need to see better results plain and simple. The formula that gets us there no one really knows yet but Red has to make that call.

 

[Day2]

Not knocking you but do you really think we should be able to land a class like Amari/big cliff while keeping Maliq and then getting a PG like Kadary? I mean I think the portal has created this expectation of super teams and that we should expect to be putting those kind of teams on the floor.

Donnie , JJ and Bell I’m sure are not cheap I’m sure and assuming Chance wasn’t either even with the injury. Now you add 3 more guys plus whoever else… that are all more experienced and thus cost money maybe more than what you see with a freshman.

I think we should complete our shopping list. We still have scholarships available; we should use them. We still have NIL at our disposal; we should spend it. Specifically:

1. Bring in a starting PG. Carlos committed as a backup. Settling on him as the starter means we failed to address one of our biggest needs.
2. Bring in a replacement for Maliq Brown. He wasn’t supposed to leave. He did. There’s still a void.
3. We supposedly had NIL funds at our disposal to address both of the above. Now we apparently don’t because of Lampkin. The problem with that logic is a donor “stepped up” to pay Lampkin, so the previous NIL funds should still be available. If those funds were also needed for Lampkin, then we didn’t have enough in the first place.

Look, we were told no one would outwork Red on the recruiting trail. Obviously that was hyperbolic. Still, we haven’t seen anything close to that. He’s been played by other coaches and players alike. That doesn’t mean I don’t want him to succeed. I do want him to succeed. He’s just not there yet and it’s OK to admit it.

 

[Toga]

If Lampkin is buying his Cuse gear at Shirt World, he shouldn't be surprised if what he thought he was paying is way different when he gets to the register.

 

[Day2]

If Lampkin is buying his Cuse gear at Shirt World, he shouldn't be surprised if what he thought he was paying is way different when he gets to the register.

Karma.

 

[MikeSU02]

Not my question I’m asking is it the expectation that we should be able to put a team like a Cliff/Amari with Donnie, Bell, JJ and Kadary ( or other top 3 PG) on the floor with expensive depth too? That would be a top 10 team on paper that was bought through the portal.

We are arguing names vs results at this early juncture in Reds tenure. UConn went with HS kids and a couple portal guys that weren’t huge names just solid gets. I just think people are getting way too caught up in chasing rankings and bigger names and not putting together a complete team.

I said it before but we are operating in an echo chamber as a fan base too as though other bigger programs aren’t battling with the same concerns.

The teams that have had success have taken different paths with the portal to meet with what they want to do. Last year felt more like name shopping- this year seems to have more strategy behind it. Maybe I’m wrong but I think it’s waaaay too early to be considering this off season a crash and burn just because of the portal rankings of who we landed.

I’m still not sure what you mean.

the team you listed isn’t top 10. Bell and JJ are mid players at best.

Donnie hasn’t done anything on a D1 court.

This is my point — how many years do we need to go through the same exercise with inferior talent of waiting and seeing?

We are average or below average at every position as of now in our starting lineup barring Donnie blowing up or Chance killing it out of nowhere.

We have been mired in mediocrity for years. UConn is out here winning titles and going to put 3-5 players in the league in this draft alone.

I’m not trying to be obstinate with you, I enjoy your posts, but I’m done accepting where we are, even before the season.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Not my question I’m asking is it the expectation that we should be able to put a team like a Cliff/Amari with Donnie, Bell, JJ and Kadary ( or other top 3 PG) on the floor with expensive depth too? That would be a top 10 team on paper that was bought through the portal.

We are arguing names vs results at this early juncture in Reds tenure. UConn went with HS kids and a couple portal guys that weren’t huge names just solid gets. I just think people are getting way too caught up in chasing rankings and bigger names and not putting together a complete team.

I said it before but we are operating in an echo chamber as a fan base too as though other bigger programs aren’t battling with the same concerns.

The teams that have had success have taken different paths with the portal to meet with what they want to do. Last year felt more like name shopping- this year seems to have more strategy behind it. Maybe I’m wrong but I think it’s waaaay too early to be considering this off season a crash and burn just because of the portal rankings of who we landed.

Solid take.