Coach Search Options after Autry

[IthacaMatt]

That just isn't even close to true in any way, shape or form. A national search led to Dick Mcpherson, Greg Robinson, Doug Marrone (he was not the front runner at all, just so happened to be a former syracuse player who showed up with a 200 page playbook), Dino Babers and Fran Brown.

AD: Darryl Gross and Mark Coyle were both national searches.

And BBall never needed a national search because Boeheim was there for 48 years and Autry was a pretty accepted hire at the time.

A national search doesn't equal national relevance. It is still a game between 2 teams, 1 team always wins, 1 team always loses. Success is never guaranteed before, during or even after hire. Sometimes you can hit a grand slam with the guy who is threatening to leave for the University of Rochester if not hired. Sometimes the national search sets you back 20 years with GROB (RIP). If we hired Nick Saban tomorrow, would that be considered a national search?

This post should be nominated and ultimately win 2026 post of the year. Let the rational likes and loves commence.

OK, but you can take off Marrone and Fran Brown, because they recruited Syracuse, not the other way around. But, yes, they have done this a few times before. So let's hope they don't screw it up.

 

[IthacaMatt]

if you are going to criticize anyone, you pick me for correctly showing that success isn't always immediate? in any landscape or any era.

instead of picking the morons (not just IthacaMatt FYI) who think a national search somehow means a better chance of wins?

it isnt that hard to grasp.

Oh, so I'm a moron if they stay with the Boeheim coaching tree? LOL
Yeah, I'm the only guy here who is saying that.

 

[CuseBlood44]

I just... these takes that crop up occasionally (that I hope the in-the-know folks see for what they are at this point and shrug off) puzzle me immensely. Folks on here who have access to stuff and are willing to share bits of it make it abundantly clear that a) it's what they're hearing from a particular source that is but a piece of the overall puzzle and b) it's what they're hearing AT THE MOMENT and circumstances often change rapidly.
Like, remove yoursrlf and just don't read the "unverified" sh__ if it's so offensive to you

How did they hear about the 30M but lally has no idea? Someone is lying. Those are mutually exclusive. If it’s Lally in the end who was the liar then I’ll eat crow and apologize but until then I’m going to trust the horses mouth directly over burner accounts on a public fan forum that could enjoy riling up the fanbase

 

[OrangeXtreme]

How did they hear about the 30M but lally has no idea? Someone is lying. Those are mutually exclusive. If it’s lally on the end who was the liar then I’ll eat crow and apologize but until then I’m going to trust the horses mouth directly over burner accounts on a public fan forum

Those "burner accounts" as you call them are boosters and SU alums who have shared info here for almost 30 years.

 

[LAorange44]

Those "burner accounts" as you call them are boosters and SU alums who have shared info here for almost 30 years.

RT. Very trusted accounts.

 

[CuseBlood44]

Those "burner accounts" as you call them are boosters and SU alums who have shared info here for almost 30 years.

So why was John Lally’s account registration shut down on this forum? Why are certain narratives being allowed but actual in the know sources aren’t.

 

[kingtidge]

Oh, so I'm a moron if they stay with the Boeheim coaching tree? LOL
Yeah, I'm the only guy here who is saying that.

On the plus side, if you donate and are well-connected with the JAB cadre, you'll likely still have VIP access to the staff and special events under Hop, etc.

There were some brave folks who stated here, before we hired Red, that this was very important to them personally - even more important than building a winning program... They wanted both of course, but if push came to shove, and they could only have one, the personal access and VIP hobnobbing was of primary importance to them.

Admitting that shear honesty was appreciated.

To actually read that, however, was shocking (at least for me - a long-time rabid fan with no special VIP connections).

 

[2B20Again]

OMG, I can’t believe I just read this. Might as well bring Grob back for another go and then Shafer if/when Fran leaves.

I find it hard to believe by SU standards it’s not crazy. We’ll know what’s smoke and what’s real in a couple weeks. Should have chancellor news middle of next week. It may get clearer then.

This has already been discussed over and over. The $ for the buyout has already been collected. He gone.

I hope you are right.

 

[2B20Again]

How did they hear about the 30M but lally has no idea? Someone is lying. Those are mutually exclusive. If it’s Lally in the end who was the liar then I’ll eat crow and apologize but until then I’m going to trust the horses mouth directly over burner accounts on a public fan forum that could enjoy riling up the fanbase

 

[MG44]

Wow! Best example of marrying above your pay grade since Jim and Julie!
Hire the man

 

[sufan59]

 

[phil77]

What if...what you need AND want is $30M regardless of what Coach must to be attached to that $$$? Does it matter if the coach is "correct" IF the real goal is the $30M? Is that number so big that "they" can't turn it down no matter the coach attached to making that happen? That's the fear for me.

To be crystal clear, I am not saying this is the case. And this is not meant as an endorsement of going with Hop. Nor is this a justification for taking the money and worrying later (even though I do think that is short sighted). Just offering a different perspective.

I don't know if that is a different perspective, per say because that is the actual perspective. We have to hire a terrible coach because that is who the people giving the money want. Not because he is a good coach. Not because he has a history of winning. Not because the people giving the money have a long track record of making smart basketball decisions. Just because of they are the ones giving the money and that seems to be the only focus not actually coaching acumen.

 

[007]

Those "burner accounts" as you call them are boosters and SU alums who have shared info here for almost 30 years.

Yeah, but think about it. Wouldn't those posters with 25 years+ of providing information be the perfect cover for self proclaimed insiders who lie, make up or spread unverified rumors to rile up the fanbase for their personal enjoyment?

The OP has been here for less than 2 years and he/she has already see through this charade.

 

[sufan59]

How I see the 30 million dollars Hopkins only deal

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

So why was John Lally’s account registration shut down on this forum? Why are certain narratives being allowed but actual in the know sources aren’t.

 

[cuseinseattle]

So if Hop signs for 2 years and doesn't work we have to pay Gerry and give him 4. Where do we go from there? Do we know if Buddy Boeheim will be ready to coach.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I’m investing in sunglasses because SU’s future is BRIGHT under MIKE HOPKINS!!!!!

I also believe Hopkins will make the tournament, it might not be until the tourney is expanded to 128 teams but he'll get us there eventually.

Seriously though whatever coach we end up with if we can't make a 76 team tournament next year there shouldn't even be a year 2 for the guy.

 

[dasher]

I share that fear.

And also the fear that Kiyan will be gone after year 2, and so will that influx of money beyond the immediate short term, and we'll be left with the coach.

where is he going after year 2? I think it is much more likely that he is here 4 years than 2 unless he transfers to another school

 

[RF2044]

So if Hop signs for 2 years and doesn't work we have to pay Gerry and give him 4. Where do we go from there? Do we know if Buddy Boeheim will be ready to coach.

That's kind of where I'm at, too.

JB himself has gone on record after stepping down that he didn't adapt certain parts of his system toward the end to align with the modern college game. He was also an exponentially better X's and O's coach than anyone on his coaching tree. Even so, the results tangibly slipped at the end, over a multi-year span. Despite that, they made a continuity hire because some BoT members and prominent donors wanted to hang onto the past.

And Red flopped, trying to admittedly do different stuff than JB, but with disastrous results on both sides of the ball.

And now a subset of the BoT and donors are pushing Hopkins, even though he showed poor systems on both sides of the ball at UW.

At some point, when are we going to stop trying to do the same things and hope for a different result? What is the hang up with just hiring the best coach we can, instead of constraining ourselves -- ESPECIALLY when the internal candidates are all lacking, to various degrees?

And I think you probably meant it in jest -- but if prominent alums have set their sights on Hop after the Red debacle, then it stands to reason that Gerry would be their NEXT "solution."

This program desperately needs an infusion of new blood / new ideas. Not marching out the same 'ol same 'ol to see if shiz sticks against the wall this time.

 

[littlereg]

where is he going after year 2? I think it is much more likely that he is here 4 years than 2 unless he transfers to another school

Dash he just played a full year, where is getting an extra year from? He only has 3 max left, and that really doesn’t change much about this topic IMO.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I don't know if that is a different perspective, per say because that is the actual perspective. We have to hire a terrible coach because that is who the people giving the money want. Not because he is a good coach. Not because he has a history of winning. Not because the people giving the money have a long track record of making smart basketball decisions. Just because of they are the ones giving the money and that seems to be the only focus not actually coaching acumen.

I would love to be these peoples financial advisor

They seem willing to burn their money on any investment

 

[dasher]

How did they hear about the 30M but lally has no idea? Someone is lying. Those are mutually exclusive. If it’s Lally in the end who was the liar then I’ll eat crow and apologize but until then I’m going to trust the horses mouth directly over burner accounts on a public fan forum that could enjoy riling up the fanbase

What poster that is talking about the 30 million is in favor of Hopkins as the next coach? And if there isn't one, what would be their motivation to lie about it? Next, Lally does have a motivation to lie about the 30 million. If for once, he is being outbid for a project at Syracuse. Or, being kinder, Melo's side would have no reason to tell Lally what they were doing to get their guy. I don't know if the 30 million is real or not. As has been said, it is a lot easier to get someone to say they are going to donate than it is to get someone to actually write a check. Finally, this board over the last 30 years have lost a lot of posters that gave information to the board because of exactly posters like you. I know that I have held back information because why do I want to deal with that crap.

 

[littlereg]

How did they hear about the 30M but lally has no idea? Someone is lying. Those are mutually exclusive. If it’s Lally in the end who was the liar then I’ll eat crow and apologize but until then I’m going to trust the horses mouth directly over burner accounts on a public fan forum that could enjoy riling up the fanbase

I guess I’m taking the bait i dont know…. but are you just completely oblivious to the whole thing? It’s not some insane theory to think the lallys don’t know every single bit and detail of the opposing sides offerings, I’d argue it’s the expected thought process. Could it be a play from them? Sure but that’s not exactly what you’re presenting.

 

[dasher]

Dash he just played a full year, where is getting an extra year from? He only has 3 max left, and that really doesn’t change much about this topic IMO.

RF said that he might leave after year 2. It is very relevant. Where is he going after next year? That was my point. I think it is more likely he is here or in college for 4 years than it is him leaving after next year. If he is good enough to jump after next year, sign me up

 

[littlereg]

RF said that he might leave after year 2. It is very relevant. Where is he going after next year? That was my point. I think it is more likely he is here or in college for 4 years than it is him leaving after next year. If he is good enough to jump after next year, sign me up

I read what RF said as in two more years my fault. Yeah I have the same thoughts as you on that overall then.