Coach Search Options after Autry

[Tony DeFranco]

This thread has gotten long and confusing - at this point are Shertz and Hodgson not viable options? -if they look like dead ends are we looking at Calhoun's son?

 

[djorange1989]

This thread has gotten long and confusing - at this point are Shertz and Hodgson not viable options? -if they look like dead ends are we looking at Calhoun's son?

Hodgson is certainly in play. Not sure if Schertz ever was

 

[sufan59]

Orange Nation floating the $30 million and saying thats a no brainer

Before that I said in the chat on that show if you need $30 million, thats to compensate for your coaching deficiencies and Paulie the clown immediately sees that and disputes it

He then said you give Hop a 2 year contract, if he wins he stays, if he doesnt you find the next

Im sure Hops agent will settle for 2 year deal

Two gifs. Syracuse can't compete at all financially and Syracuse will never return to the glory days. That's the narrative.

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Hodgson is certainly in play. Not sure if Schertz ever was

Thanks - from reading here he seems like a no brainer

 

[McCuse]

Thanks - from reading here he seems like a no brainer

I think so too. Seems like he has a turnaround track record, and some fire and attitude. It also doesn't hurt that his bride is not too hard on the eyes.

 

[kingtidge]

Oh, I agree because of the limitations.

But I think the Melo camp believes differently. I think being featured year 2 was always the "plan," with a swift NBA jump ensuing.

FWIW, I also believe that Donnie's camp was also viewing him as a one or two year NBA jump -- but the play didn't warrant it.

Nor the player development... which is why that isn't happening.

 

[Willy75]

I also believe Hopkins will make the tournament, it might not be until the tourney is expanded to 128 teams but he'll get us there eventually.

Seriously though whatever coach we end up with if we can't make a 76 team tournament next year there shouldn't even be a year 2 for the guy.

Walter Alston one year contracts.

 

[CuseCPT]

The problem is the season tix renewals and dome home game attendances in that cycle ... They will be losing money hand over fist with each game under that premise of "Red is back". They've already have had to deal with that to a certain degree (and I am sure the bball home game event profitability books are not pretty) and they can't afford to lose a substantial more # of renewals and even sparser attended home games.

Maths.

Plus that ship has sailed and the buyout is queued.

I know this has been said before but dang, the fact that Red has a buyout leaves me with little faith that this is all going to end well.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Any concerns or thoughts on Hodgson having 0 HS recruits committed in this 26 class at USF?

zero concerns, 1) I think most know he's not staying there long and 2) teams don't need HS recruits as much

 

[sweetpea]

Dash he just played a full year, where is getting an extra year from? He only has 3 max left, and that really doesn’t change much about this topic IMO.

Four years total which includes the current year. C'mon now.

 

[CuseCPT]

Any concerns or thoughts on Hodgson having 0 HS recruits committed in this 26 class at USF?

He did fine scrambling to put together a roster last off season but a little surprised he has nothing at this point.

None here. HS recruits are not that important anymore.

 

[LAorange44]

I know this has been said before but dang, the fact that Red has a buyout leaves me with little faith that this is all going to end well.

Red has a buyout for up to two years. Bryan “the Shark” Hodgson aka Baby Shark aka The Guppy also has a meager buyout. Mike Hopkins has no buyout. Do you think our athletic department has the testicular fortitude to tackle two relatively small buyouts, especially when there is a boatload of money allegedly behind Mr. Hopkins????? To quote Al Borland: I don’t think so, Tim

 

[DilemaCuse]

Red has a buyout for up to two years. Bryan “the Shark” Hodgson aka Baby Shark aka The Guppy also has a meager buyout. Mike Hopkins has no buyout. Do you think our athletic department has the testicular fortitude to tackle two relatively small buyouts, especially when there is a boatload of money allegedly behind Mr. Hopkins????? To quote Al Borland: I don’t think so, Tim

You get what you pay for

 

[CU44SE]

Red has a buyout for up to two years. Bryan “the Shark” Hodgson aka Baby Shark aka The Guppy also has a meager buyout. Mike Hopkins has no buyout. Do you think our athletic department has the testicular fortitude to tackle two relatively small buyouts, especially when there is a boatload of money allegedly behind Mr. Hopkins????? To quote Al Borland: I don’t think so, Tim

The only guppy around here is you and your trolling.

 

[Cappy3]

What if...what you need AND want is $30M regardless of what Coach must to be attached to that $$$? Does it matter if the coach is "correct" IF the real goal is the $30M? Is that number so big that "they" can't turn it down no matter the coach attached to making that happen? That's the fear for me.

To be crystal clear, I am not saying this is the case. And this is not meant as an endorsement of going with Hop. Nor is this a justification for taking the money and worrying later (even though I do think that is short sighted). Just offering a different perspective.

Not really a different perspective. More like what most of us think the BOT is thinking.

 

[dasher]

Walter Alston one year contracts.

he didn't have to recruit or people recruiting against him saying he won't be there

 

[phil77]

The only guppy around here is you and your trolling.

I am old so took me a minute but I finally figured out how to put someone on ignore. What a waste of time reading his posts.

 

[phil77]

he didn't have to recruit or people recruiting against him saying he won't be there

30 million a year you better be recruiting a team full of 1 and dones and be recruiting from the portal every year. And you'd better pray you did get enough during the year that most of your kids get drafted. In this model you will not be building anything just buying a new team every off season. Recruiting starts when the portal opens every year.

 

[dasher]

30 million a year you better be recruiting a team full of 1 and dones and be recruiting from the portal every year. And you'd better pray you did get enough during the year that most of your kids get drafted. In this model you will not be building anything just buying a new team every off season. Recruiting starts when the portal opens every year.

Talking about Walter Alston, You don't know who he was , right Phil. Don't bother looking it up. Not important.

 

[phil77]

Talking about Walter Alston

Post didn't come off as funny as I wanted LOL Fail on my part

 

[Blanko97]

and the last thing I will end with. Success can be slow. Examples:

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and Coach K first 3 yearsView attachment 260545

Different worlds

 

[Blanko97]

Any concerns or thoughts on Hodgson having 0 HS recruits committed in this 26 class at USF?

He did fine scrambling to put together a roster last off season but a little surprised he has nothing at this point.

May not want any, if you’re not getting to 30 out of high school you might as well just pound the portal

 

[cuseinseattle]

That's kind of where I'm at, too.

JB himself has gone on record after stepping down that he didn't adapt certain parts of his system toward the end to align with the modern college game. He was also an exponentially better X's and O's coach than anyone on his coaching tree. Even so, the results tangibly slipped at the end, over a multi-year span. Despite that, they made a continuity hire because some BoT members and prominent donors wanted to hang onto the past.

And Red flopped, trying to admittedly do different stuff than JB, but with disastrous results on both sides of the ball.

And now a subset of the BoT and donors are pushing Hopkins, even though he showed poor systems on both sides of the ball at UW.

At some point, when are we going to stop trying to do the same things and hope for a different result? What is the hang up with just hiring the best coach we can, instead of constraining ourselves -- ESPECIALLY when the internal candidates are all lacking, to various degrees?

And I think you probably meant it in jest -- but if prominent alums have set their sights on Hop after the Red debacle, then it stands to reason that Gerry would be their NEXT "solution."

This program desperately needs an infusion of new blood / new ideas. Not marching out the same 'ol same 'ol to see if shiz sticks against the wall this time.

I'm only half joking. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if they did this or something close. I think Hop and Red are similar in a good amount of ways. They are both really good guys that are good at recruiting but are not as good at system or at being the bad guy. They are assistants who tell the kid everything will be ok when JB gets on them. I will say having watched Hopkins up close in Seattle that when he had success a good amount of it was to do with his players playing hard for him and his energy rubbing off on players. He also inherited a few decent kids and the Pac-12 wasn't used to the zone and was filled with teams that had athletic guards who weren't great shooters. It played right into his hands and that is no longer the way college basketball is. I would be shocked if Hop doesn't do better than Red. So if they don't move on now why would they do it after some up and down years with Hop. I would be shocked if they didn't go to Gerry.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Any concerns or thoughts on Hodgson having 0 HS recruits committed in this 26 class at USF?

He did fine scrambling to put together a roster last off season but a little surprised he has nothing at this point.

Yes he is terrible

 

[kingtidge]

The only guppy around here is you and your trolling.

He should change his handle to SkankHunt44.