Coach Search Options after Autry

[phil77]

Talking about Walter Alston, You don't know who he was , right Phil. Don't bother looking it up. Not important.

Nice edit lol

Skip to my Lou

The old baseball player that played before the invention of color TV that dude?

 

[dasher]

Nice edit lol

Skip to my Lou

The old baseball player that played before the invention of color TV that dude?

There was no edit. You didn't read the post I was responding to

 

[23Zone]

I understand money talks but dang I was really optimistic and genuinely excited for Hodgson and his explosive offense and the resurrection of cuse bball. If it is Hopkins, which it sounds like it will be, I just don't feel it. I'll support whomever it is, but man I'd be lying if I didn't say I had serious concerns with likelihood of a Hopkins led hoops transformation even with all this supposed influx of money.

 

[PhatOrange]

That's kind of where I'm at, too.

JB himself has gone on record after stepping down that he didn't adapt certain parts of his system toward the end to align with the modern college game. He was also an exponentially better X's and O's coach than anyone on his coaching tree. Even so, the results tangibly slipped at the end, over a multi-year span. Despite that, they made a continuity hire because some BoT members and prominent donors wanted to hang onto the past.

And Red flopped, trying to admittedly do different stuff than JB, but with disastrous results on both sides of the ball.

And now a subset of the BoT and donors are pushing Hopkins, even though he showed poor systems on both sides of the ball at UW.

At some point, when are we going to stop trying to do the same things and hope for a different result? What is the hang up with just hiring the best coach we can, instead of constraining ourselves -- ESPECIALLY when the internal candidates are all lacking, to various degrees?

And I think you probably meant it in jest -- but if prominent alums have set their sights on Hop after the Red debacle, then it stands to reason that Gerry would be their NEXT "solution."

This program desperately needs an infusion of new blood / new ideas. Not marching out the same 'ol same 'ol to see if shiz sticks against the wall this time.

I think part of Red's problem is he doesn't seem to have command of the team. It's like he's not 'really' in charge.

With JB you knew who was in charge. There were no BS substitution patterns. By and large he would play kids who were hot or limited mistakes or made the right plays, he would ask Jack kids who were not. There wasn't much charity. Hence the term boeheimed.

( I'm sure the haters will bring up all the exceptions but this is how it was the majority of the time spanning his career not just some of the crap we saw the last few years with a couple chosen ones.)

Anyhow Red is soft and comes across as a pushover and I think it shows in the effort we see from his team.

 

[LAorange44]

I think part of Red's problem is he doesn't seem to have command of the team. It's like he's not 'really' in charge.

With JB you knew who was in charge. There were no BS substitution patterns. By and large he would play kids who were hot or limited mistakes or made the right plays, he would ask Jack kids who were not. There wasn't much charity. Hence the term boeheimed.

( I'm sure the haters will bring up all the exceptions but this is how it was the majority of the time spanning his career not just some of the crap we saw the last few years with a couple chosen ones.)

Anyhow Red is soft and comes across as a pushover and I think it shows in the effort we see from his team.

I call it Red’s toxic positivity

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

if you are going to criticize anyone, you pick me for correctly showing that success isn't always immediate? in any landscape or any era.

instead of picking the morons (not just IthacaMatt FYI) who think a national search somehow means a better chance of wins?

it isnt that hard to grasp.

I didn't pick you for anything; I made a general comment. If you want to go after Matt, go for it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Any concerns or thoughts on Hodgson having 0 HS recruits committed in this 26 class at USF?

He did fine scrambling to put together a roster last off season but a little surprised he has nothing at this point.

He might not expect to be there long. What he needs he can get in the portal, or has returning.
HS kids, unless they have an obvious elite skill or physical advantage, are just for filling out rosters these days.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Because we're at the point where doing the right thing and going outside the family for the best hire possible is FINALLY here.

So doing the wrong thing again to keep it in the family requires extra-stupid measures, like a massive money and NIL bag to justify hiring an in-house, poor candidate... also, they think they can sell that to the fans.

One of the best responses EVER

 

[Mr. M]

I think part of Red's problem is he doesn't seem to have command of the team. It's like he's not 'really' in charge.

With JB you knew who was in charge. There were no BS substitution patterns. By and large he would play kids who were hot or limited mistakes or made the right plays, he would ask Jack kids who were not. There wasn't much charity. Hence the term boeheimed.

( I'm sure the haters will bring up all the exceptions but this is how it was the majority of the time spanning his career not just some of the crap we saw the last few years with a couple chosen ones.)

Anyhow Red is soft and comes across as a pushover and I think it shows in the effort we see from his team.

Totally agree

 

[Mr. M]

Mookie Jones is coaching high school basketball, maybe he wants to move up a level? We should make sure to interview him

Great point. I know Billy Edelin used to train kids too.. here’s my wish list for next coach lineup:

Center:Sean Williams the Cat Rescuer, and Dayshawn Wright
Forward: Mark Konecny, and Matt Gorman
Forward: Devin Brennan-McBride, Mookie Jones
Guard: Dior Johnson, and Jalen Carey
Guard: Josh Wright, and Kaleb Joseph
Bench: Greg Davis

 

[bballbeadle]

I understand money talks but dang I was really optimistic and genuinely excited for Hodgson and his explosive offense and the resurrection of cuse bball. If it is Hopkins, which it sounds like it will be, I just don't feel it. I'll support whomever it is, but man I'd be lying if I didn't say I had serious concerns with likelihood of a Hopkins led hoops transformation even with all this supposed influx of money.

I haven’t been on this thread in a couple days - or maybe just a day! - but damn, things have changed suddenly. I cannot believe we are not going with Hodgson.

 

[23Zone]

Great point. I know Billy Edelin used to train kids too.. here’s my wish list for next coach lineup:

Center:Sean Williams the Cat Rescuer, and Dayshawn Wright
Forward: Mark Konecny, and Matt Gorman
Forward: Devin Brennan-McBride, Mookie Jones
Guard: Dior Johnson, and Jalen Carey
Guard: Josh Wright, and Kaleb Joseph
Bench: Greg Davis

What about Tony Scott?

 

[kingtidge]

I haven’t been on this thread in a couple days - or maybe just a day! - but damn, things have changed suddenly. I cannot believe we are not going with Hodgson.

That isn't certain, but things have gotten strange... or maybe it's just sadly predictable.

 

[GHLF]

I haven’t been on this thread in a couple days - or maybe just a day! - but damn, things have changed suddenly. I cannot believe we are not going with Hodgson.

This is a great example of someone taking what someone said, creating their own perception and literally turning it into a definitive decision. Literally feed the masses with misinformation. Whether or not Coach Hopkins is hired or not. And then people provide likes wowza

 

[ManleyRocks]

Serious thought….it would strike me that some degree of Newhouse’s success can be traced to the arc of success of SUMBB from the 1970s through the recent past. Newhouse grads had street cred as they came from a school that had a showtime atmosphere on game night for generations (and Manley was showtime too). If this is in fact true…the BOT and the University are putting one of their Crown Jewels at risk allowing this decision to become chaotic, undisciplined and a power struggle. If I am the BOT, I am strongly requesting (with economic incentives) that JW and HE stay two years to see this through…I just can’t believe all of these highly successful individuals as stewards of the institution are unable get control of the situation and make decisions in the best interests of the university.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Serious thought….it would strike me that some degree of Newhouse’s success can be traced to the arc of success of SUMBB from the 1970s through the recent past. Newhouse grads had street cred as they came from a school that had a showtime atmosphere on game night for generations (and Manley was showtime too). If this is in fact true…the BOT and the University are putting one of their Crown Jewels at risk allowing this decision to become chaotic, undisciplined and a power struggle. If I am the BOT, I am strongly requesting (with economic incentives) that JW and HE stay two years to see this through…I just can’t believe all of these highly successful individuals as stewards of the institution are unable get control of the situation and make decisions in the best interests of the university.

I agree with you for the record firstly that the decisions should be more clear to just hire the best candidates. Wins and losses mean BH and def not Lyke.

I’m going to give some of my thoughts on what the board may be thinking or at least some of them.

College sports in general terms is a broken system. Week after week, month after month for years now crazier and crazier things have happened along with the quality of the sport going to the toilet.

It’s the Wild West and there is no end in sight. Legislation nope, common sense nope, NCAA = joke, and player collective bargaining years away.

I can see alot of the board just saying I don’t know what the crap to think or do so I’m just going with the safe choice. let’s be real BH altho the better candidate has not stayed anywhere more than a few years and has some unknowns.

The safe choice for the board for those that want to play it safe is the dude that spent 25+ years working for the program already.

Yup sucks for us wanting a change but I can see it coming like a freight train.

 

[TommyA13]

I understand money talks but dang I was really optimistic and genuinely excited for Hodgson and his explosive offense and the resurrection of cuse bball. If it is Hopkins, which it sounds like it will be, I just don't feel it. I'll support whomever it is, but man I'd be lying if I didn't say I had serious concerns with likelihood of a Hopkins led hoops transformation even with all this supposed influx of money.

How does it sound like it’ll be Hopkins?

 

[djorange1989]

How does it sound like it’ll be Hopkins?

It doesn’t. It’s possible but no way does it sound like some sure thing