cooney needs his own thread after that

[KaiserUEO]

He's 23. Not criticizing is coddling at that age.

Can we put the older ones in different dress, so I know who I can slam and who I cannot.

Thought they were all 1 team of kids.

My bad.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

The current state of the program is characterized by the inability to recruit over Cooney.

Kid would have made a great 6-7 man. Pretty athletic. Streaky shooter (see below). Works hard on defense.

I disagree with those who say he isnt a good shooter. I think he is just a terrible fit for the offensive system (if someone wants to actually call it a system). He hasnt played with a point guard in two years, and the year before that, he played with one who played at a staggeringly slow pace. There is no driving and kicking. None of that neat little handoff play they ran for Andy. The offense yields nearly no offensive rebounding so no one is kicking it out to him while the defense scrambles. Fast breaking has been nearly non-existant for the last few years so no easy looks in transition. Oh, and he has to sprint for 10 seconds and run off two crappy screens before he even gets his first touch in a set (26 ft from the hoop).

 

[sugrad68]

The current state of the program is characterized by the inability to recruit over Cooney.

Kid would have made a great 6-7 man. Pretty athletic. Streaky shooter (see below). Works hard on defense.

I disagree with those who say he isnt a good shooter. I think he is just a terrible fit for the offensive system (if someone wants to actually call it a system). He hasnt played with a point guard in two years, and the year before that, he played with one who played at a staggeringly slow pace. There is no driving and kicking. None of that neat little handoff play they ran for Andy. The offense yields nearly no offensive rebounding so no one is kicking it out to him while the defense scrambles. Fast breaking has been nearly non-existant for the last few years so no easy looks in transition. Oh, and he has to sprint for 10 seconds and run off two crappy screens before he even gets his first touch in a set (26 ft from the hoop).

Come on!! How many open shots did he miss in today's game and over the course of the season???? He took 10 3-pointers today and probably 8 were uncontested including the last one.

 

[orangecuse]

I get that and agree. In this particular game Frank was a liability and couldn't be trusted, imo.

I agree. He did nothing today during his PT, other than constantly picking up his dribble and turning the ball over...

 

[OttoMets]

Dude I don't want to hammer the kid but just isn't good enough to be treated like he has by JB.

JB will pull Howard for a TO and scold him. Cooney will literally go for a rebound instead of rotating back and give an easy transition dunk. If Howard does that he gets pulled.

Cooney is not good enough to be treated to a different standard.

I have never seen a Syracuse starting guard who's worse at rotating back in transition. Never. And Gbinije's not far behind.

In all seriousness, I think they both have bad spatial awareness, like people who can't read maps or maneuver their way around an unfamiliar city. It's a coincidence that they're both on the same team at the same time, and it's unfortunate that the coaches knew they'd play Cooney so many minutes and charged ahead with the Gbinije experiment knowing that he's got that same limitation.

 

[OttoMets]

I put this on the staff -- there should have been an adjustment with recruitment or the rotation. I'm not blaming TC -- he is what he is. The coaching staff just didn't want to seem to address it. We have Malachi and Gbinje playing out of position -- both could have played the 2 over him.

Said this in November, seemed the smart, high-ceiling move.
1- Howard
2- Richardson
3- Gbinije
4- Roberson
5- Coleman

6- Cooney, taking 25 of those backcourt minutes off the bench.

There's no winning that argument, but I bet that's not a 19-12 team.

 

[creatorsgam]

Note to self:

-Slamming the 40 something year old coach who's out of his league, is board heresy.
-Slamming the 20 something year old kids trying their best, is board coolness.

Got it.

I have unconditional love for both Cooney and Hop. Write that down. But this is a fair talking point.

 

[Deano]

Love his response when Donna asks him question about TC. About the 2:39 mark.
http://videos.syracuse.com/post-sta...e_basketball_coach_jim_21.html#incart_m-rpt-2

 

[CorduroyG]

The current state of the program is characterized by the inability to recruit over Cooney.

Kid would have made a great 6-7 man. Pretty athletic. Streaky shooter (see below). Works hard on defense.

I disagree with those who say he isnt a good shooter. I think he is just a terrible fit for the offensive system (if someone wants to actually call it a system). He hasnt played with a point guard in two years, and the year before that, he played with one who played at a staggeringly slow pace. There is no driving and kicking. None of that neat little handoff play they ran for Andy. The offense yields nearly no offensive rebounding so no one is kicking it out to him while the defense scrambles. Fast breaking has been nearly non-existant for the last few years so no easy looks in transition. Oh, and he has to sprint for 10 seconds and run off two crappy screens before he even gets his first touch in a set (26 ft from the hoop).

Dude he cant make open 3s. End of story.

 

[Ghost]

I have never seen a Syracuse starting guard who's worse at rotating back in transition. Never. And Gbinije's not far behind.

In all seriousness, I think they both have bad spatial awareness, like people who can't read maps or maneuver their way around an unfamiliar city. It's a coincidence that they're both on the same team at the same time, and it's unfortunate that the coaches knew they'd play Cooney so many minutes and charged ahead with the Gbinije experiment knowing that he's got that same limitation.

Yeah, if you're making that point, and people aren't seeing it, today was a huge highlight reel for it.

 

[Dave85]

Dude he cant make open 3s. End of story.

I think Cooney's true range is 17'. He always seems like it takes all his might to shoot a 3-point shot. It really looks like it takes a lot of effort. Where as Lydon would look like he's struggling from the half court line (and even then he might stroke it).

It's really hard to be critical Cooney but man that was a pretty awful performance.

"To say that Cooney closed the season ice cold is an understatement. In his three previous games, he was a combined 5-28. He wasn’t much better against the ‘Noles, going 4-16 for 14 points."

"Three straight Seminole turnovers helped the Orange pull to within 76-73 with 22 seconds left, but Trevor Cooney’s potential game-tying 3 fell short."

I want not to be critical of Cooney but my restraint fell short.

 

[CorduroyG]

Love his response when Donna asks him question about TC. About the 2:39 mark.
http://videos.syracuse.com/post-sta...e_basketball_coach_jim_21.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Its amazing that boeheim cant say "hes been struggling he needs to play better"

Instead we get "we want him to take those shots, shooters shoot, blah blah blah"

 

[orangecuse]

Its amazing that boeheim cant say "hes been struggling he needs to play better"

Instead we get "we want him to take those shots, shooters shoot, blah blah blah"

I agree. It's one thing missing shots, JB has stated numerous times he doesn't take guys out for such a thing, etc. However, the turnovers he created by poor decisions, etc. resulting in quick easy buckets on the other end is a horse of a different color.

 

[rrlbees]

I agree. It's one thing missing shots, JB has stated numerous times he doesn't take guys out for such a thing, etc. However, the turnovers he created by poor decisions, etc. resulting in quick easy buckets on the other end is a horse of a different color.

And we had a 14 other turnovers besides his 2. Every player that played, except Coleman, had 2 or more.

 

[jdubs30]

Its amazing that boeheim cant say "hes been struggling he needs to play better"

Instead we get "we want him to take those shots, shooters shoot, blah blah blah"

I don't think the "he's our best player in that position until we get someone better" is a ringing endorsement.

It is pretty crazy though how Cooney has had such a green light for so long -- it's almost like JB is too nervous to bruise his ego

 

[CorduroyG]

And we had a 14 other turnovers besides his 2. Every player that played, except Coleman, had 2 or more.

How many players other than cooney took 16 shots? How many players other than cooney missed 12 shots? How many players other than cooney missed a game tying 3 at the end of the game?

 

[NineOneSeven]

And we had a 14 other turnovers besides his 2. Every player that played, except Coleman, had 2 or more.

A couple bad shots were pretty much turnovers

 

[CorduroyG]

Cooney shot 4-16

Everyone else shot a combined 25-40

Ouch.

 

[Alsacs]

Cooney shot 4-16

Everyone else shot a combined 25-40

Ouch.

That stat is brutal. I mean JB has to tell the kid stop shooting. He won't though. We will just need to hope Cooney is hot these next games.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Even after reading the 'stats' on cooney... It just doesn't matter, somehow. Even when he's 1-7 in a game, there aren't a great many situations when he shoots and I wish he didn't. I ALWAYS wish he would go straight up, but situationally, I still think he's going to hit it before he starts his motion. It's like a Jedi mind trick or something. "These ARE the shots you want me to take."

The problem is threefold:
• staff thinks he does everything 'the right way'
• we have no one else to take those shots. It's not as if G or Mal should each increase their attempts by half the number cooney takes. Howard is not an answer offensively. Lydon can't create a shot - he is catch-and-shoot, exclusively at this point.
• there's some sort of thing where coach 'identifies' better with certain types of personalities. Doghouses are built on that premise.

It's not as if TC just jacks up shots super early on the clock. They come after a play has been developing, or has failed. He doesn't get jumpers blocked, so he's open enough to get them off. He just has too much confidence to bother to adhere to a consistent, effective form. Which is a bit of a bizarre irony.

Bottom line for me, like with Donte Greene, when the player has the capacity for excellence but fails for such obvious reasons, i don't blame the player. I blame the staff. TC, by all accounts, is a great kid and a hard worker, and doesn't deserve all these hate/rant threads. When we are good, it's because he's good. When we lose, it's rarely his fault. We lost today because of defense and rebounding.

 

[rrlbees]

How many players other than cooney took 16 shots? How many players other than cooney missed 12 shots? How many players other than cooney missed a game tying 3 at the end of the game?

Oh, I thought I replied to a post about turnovers.

 

[rrlbees]

A couple bad shots were pretty much turnovers

Yes, we took a lot of bad shots.

 

[AlaskaSU]

That was comical

That was comical

He has mashed potatoes in his veins.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

And we had a 14 other turnovers besides his 2. Every player that played, except Coleman, had 2 or more.

What's comical is they only gave him 2.

 

[patcuse]

What's comical is they only gave him 2.

I thought you said you didn't watch the game