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Coyle's decision

Quazzum69 said:
He's been the head coach for 2.5 seasons and an assistant (the DC!) for four so that's almost 7 seasons in a prominent position with this program. How long does the guy get when there are other coaches at schools with half the resources getting results in half that time? People act like he just walked into Gross' office and got handed a job as a head coach with no experience (you's thing that from his press conferences).

Recruiting is part of the job description and he has clearly failed as we are near the bottom of the ACC. Is he not at least partly responsible for the roster from his time as defensive coordinator? There is no excuse for youth or a crappy roster as he has been here as a coordinator or greater for six full seasons.

Pull the plug, Coyle.
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In what year did you fire Coach Mac.? Who we just honored a few weeks ago. Year 1, 4-6-1 year 2, 2-9, year 3, 6-5, year 4, 6-5, year 5, 7-5, year 6 5-6. Year 7. 11-0-1. And by the way, our schedule in those years was no where near as tough as it is now. It takes time. As I said, we are on year 16 of our frustration. SS has been the head coach for 2.5 years. One thing I will tell you for certain, if we fire SS. In 3 years, you will want to fire the next guy. Because we will be back to square 1.
 
Quazzum69 said:
He's been the head coach for 2.5 seasons and an assistant (the DC!) for four so that's almost 7 seasons in a prominent position with this program. How long does the guy get when there are other coaches at schools with half the resources getting results in half that time? People act like he just walked into Gross' office and got handed a job as a head coach with no experience (you's thing that from his press conferences). Recruiting is part of the job description and he has clearly failed as we are near the bottom of the ACC. Is he not at least partly responsible for the roster from his time as defensive coordinator? There is no excuse for youth or a crappy roster as he has been here as a coordinator or greater for six full seasons. Pull the plug, Coyle.
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You're going to be very disappointed.
 
Coyle's decision or does Kent get involved? I can see Syverudd having the final say so.
 
skurey said:
If we fire HCSS and hire some moron what's going to happen? We will suck. Well guess what, we suck now and have for a very long time. To me there is no difference between 6-6 and 3-9 especially when those 6 wins include RI and other FCS schools.
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Really? wow. This is a strange post
 
Ringostar57 said:
Coyle's decision or does Kent get involved? I can see Syverudd having the final say so.
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smarter people involved in the money flow at SU would be able to answer this. I assume if Shafer has a lot of money left on his deal then it becomes a bigger conversation than merely not extending a contract.
 
How about this as a starting point: What is Coyle's (Kent's?) expectation for the football program's performance year in and year out? Bowls? Rings? Graduation rate?
 
OttoForLife said:
How about this as a starting point: What is Coyle's (Kent's?) expectation for the football program's performance year in and year out? Bowls? Rings? Graduation rate?
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I would think his (Coyle) expectations would be no less than what the Boise program did while he was there.
 
Millhouse said:
i can see someone saying no difference between 3 and 5 wins but 6 wins? come on, you're bowling then
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Hahaha bowling. The bowls you get in with 6 wins are comparable to getting in the CBI. Completely irrelevant.
 
I really have no solid opinion on HCSS. If he gets fired this year, fine. If he gets another year, that is OK to.

I did want to comment on the mini-conversation about 3-9 vs 6-6. I've always felt that there was a huge difference in those records. A 6-6 season and a bowl, any bowl, was a success. Then I got talking to my dad a couple of weeks ago, at the time of the USF game. He said this is a huge game, they have to show they can win one on the road. Win a game they are not favored to win, but should compete in. Now my dad is a fan, only because I attended SU and he paid for a lot of it, so he is a casual fan, but he doesn't root for any other teams either. I said, yeah it would be nice to win this game, but as long as they get to 6-6, I'll be happy and it'll be a good season. He said, who cares about those shitty 6-6 bowls, that hardly counts. You have to beat some name teams and win 8 games before anybody is going to consider a good season other than you die-hards.

That got me thinking and I've kinda crossed over to his point of view. 6-6 is still probably a crappy season, unless one or two of those 6 comes against FSU and/or Clemson. 6-6 is also OK if it is one season on the way to 8+ wins, but our history shows 6-6 is just a blip on the radar between 3-7 seasons (minus the Marrone years, which had us on the right track).

Anyway, I'm kind of with skurey, 6-6 is just about the same as 3-9. I don't even enjoy watching those 6-6 bowl games TBH.
 
721Comstock said:
SEVEN STRAIGHT BOWL GAMES.

God forbid SU "underperform" like that.
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Your two posts in this thread are so solid & interesting. Moreover, the limited response is quite telling as well as it doesn't coincide with the usual suspects narratives...
 
For me, you only let go of Shafer if you can get Harsin.

Harsin, to me, is a dynamic offensive mind. I think he would leave Boise for an ACC job if the personal life didn't come into play (he's been a west coaster all his life).

And Coyle should have a personal relationship there and have an idea if Harsin would leave for the job before ever moving on Shafer.

If you can't get Harsin, keep Shafer one more year. Give him a chance w/ an older team and see how recruiting goes.
 
skurey said:
Hahaha bowling. The bowls you get in with 6 wins are comparable to getting in the CBI. Completely irrelevant.
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No. They really aren't
 
I prefer to keep Shafer unless there is a proven coach who we can get. By proven I mean a top 25 HC in a lesser situation than Syracuse, not some assistant or coordinator. But I am totally ok with Shafer getting another year or 2, it's just disappointing seeing these back breaking penalties / missed tackles that are almost inevitable. When we drew that face mask on the 3rd and 15 play I wasn't even surprised.
 
timkay99 said:
For me, you only let go of Shafer if you can get Harsin.

Harsin, to me, is a dynamic offensive mind. I think he would leave Boise for an ACC job if the personal life didn't come into play (he's been a west coaster all his life).

And Coyle should have a personal relationship there and have an idea if Harsin would leave for the job before ever moving on Shafer.

If you can't get Harsin, keep Shafer one more year. Give him a chance w/ an older team and see how recruiting goes.
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I think I like Justin Fuente...TCU assistant bring the same style of offense TCU has. Turning around a Memphis program that was in a worse starting spot than us. In his 4th year at Memphis he is 23-20. Started 4-8 then 3-9 then 10-3 and now has his team 6-0 and just beat Ole Miss. He has also beaten USF, Cinny and Bowling Green this year.
 
phil77 said:
I think I like Justin Fuente...TCU assistant bring the same style of offense TCU has. Turning around a Memphis program that was in a worse starting spot than us. In his 4th year at Memphis he is 23-20. Started 4-8 then 3-9 then 10-3 and now has his team 6-0 and just beat Ole Miss. He has also beaten USF, Cinny and Bowling Green this year.
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Would Fuente even leaving Memphis to come here? I think he and Hermann wouldn't even consider SU.
 
anomander said:
Would Fuente even leaving Memphis to come here? I think he and Hermann wouldn't even consider SU.
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I'm a little torn on this...I have to think that a P5 job anywhere is a better spot than a job in a Go5 conference like the American.

On the other hand, those guys HAVE to know that a better job is theirs if they just wait.
 
You guys that don't give a about bowls understand that the team gets an extra fifteen practices no matter the Bowl, right?
 
timkay99 said:
For me, you only let go of Shafer if you can get Harsin.

Harsin, to me, is a dynamic offensive mind. I think he would leave Boise for an ACC job if the personal life didn't come into play (he's been a west coaster all his life).

And Coyle should have a personal relationship there and have an idea if Harsin would leave for the job before ever moving on Shafer.

If you can't get Harsin, keep Shafer one more year. Give him a chance w/ an older team and see how recruiting goes.
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There's no crisis at the moment. It's just like with P, things are bad enough right now that it's an obvious call.

If they go 0 for the rest of the year it's still not a crisis. Even that shouldn't force Coyle to do anything.

And the lesson with P is, you don't open the position up unless you have what should be a clear upgrade lined up. To make a change at this point would be a choice, not a necessity.
 
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