Coyle's decision

[Jack_Ball]

There's no crisis at the moment. It's just like with P, things are bad enough right now that it's an obvious call.

If they go 0 for the rest of the year it's still not a crisis. Even that shouldn't force Coyle to do anything.

And the lesson with P is, you don't open the position up unless you have what should be a clear upgrade lined up. To make a change at this point would be a choice, not a necessity.

Sorry but I disagree with this...If we dont win anither game the rest of the year and we have back to back seasons of going 3-9 then I think it's time for a change...IMO

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Sorry but I disagree with this...If we dont win anither game the rest of the year and we have back to back seasons of going 3-9 then I think it's time for a change...IMO

So ... Shafer gets fired because Hunt broke his leg last year and we only won 3 games instead of 6-7.

 

[timkay99]

Would Fuente even leaving Memphis to come here? I think he and Hermann wouldn't even consider SU.

This is where I fall on Fuente. He plays his cards right, he will get a much better opportunity then Syracuse from an outsider's perspective.

I have no idea if its true or not, but I think Virginia is a more desirable job then Syracuse right now and I am not sure I would leave for that job if I were Fuente.

 

[Jack_Ball]

So ... Shafer gets fired because Hunt broke his leg last year and we only won 3 games instead of 6-7.

That was not the only issue with last years team...Also, that's why I said back to back 3-9 seasons...Can't think of any other P5 programs with back to back 3-9 seasons that retain their coach? We would almost be back to where we started pre-marrone (one of the worst P5 programs)

 

[phil77]

Would Fuente even leaving Memphis to come here? I think he and Hermann wouldn't even consider SU.

You would have to think Syracuse in a P5 would be a step up? Probably depends on the offer...

We have some pieces that would fit his offense right away...

Dungey - I think would be a good air raid type QB. With athletic ability to make plays on the ground
Ish - Big WR on the outside
Erv and Estime - Slot WR with great speed and ability to make people miss in the open field.
Fredrick - Explosive one cut runner with break away speed

And we play in a dome.

I think it would be appealing to someone with that kind of offense.

 

[orange7]

At the end of the day, we need to really ask ourselves if we think Shafer is the man to put us on top or be competitive in order to be on top. In looking deep inside and seeing the three plus years, I simply do not see it.

--His 'X and O' gameplan is weak. How on Earth do we not score from one 1 yard line with two chances? Why not go under the 'I' formation with a fullback and try to score? The FG attempt was shaky at best. I do not even trust our kicker in the Dome, how can we expect him to make a kick outside of the Dome?
--We all think he is some amazing recruiter, but the facts do not lie. We are rated close to last in the ACC which means our peer schools are out-recruiting us.
--7-6, 3-9, 3-?...Those are not records that I am comfortable with and are not trending in the right direction.
--Zero signature wins. No I do not count BC or MD as signature wins his first year. The PSU game was blown in 2013. While we were expected to lose (PSU opener, homecoming vs. Clemson, ND at MetLife, home vs. LSU, etc.), a good coach at least pulls out one of those games. In comparison, FHCDM had four big wins and his gameplan was always solid.

HCSS is a fiery and passionate guy. As a coordinator, he is top notch. As a Head Coach, I'd take many reasonable options over him. Just my two cents.

 

[TheCusian]

At the end of the day, we need to really ask ourselves if we think Shafer is the man to put us on top or be competitive in order to be on top. In looking deep inside and seeing the three plus years, I simply do not see it. --His 'X and O' gameplan is weak. How on Earth do we not score from one 1 yard line with two chances? Why not go under the 'I' formation with a fullback and try to score? The FG attempt was shaky at best. I do not even trust our kicker in the Dome, how can we expect him to make a kick outside of the Dome? --We all think he is some amazing recruiter, but the facts do not lie. We are rated close to last in the ACC which means our peer schools are out-recruiting us. --7-6, 3-9, 3-?...Those are not records that I am comfortable with and are not trending in the right direction. --Zero signature wins. No I do not count BC or MD as signature wins his first year. The PSU game was blown in 2013. While we were expected to lose (PSU opener, homecoming vs. Clemson, ND at MetLife, home vs. LSU, etc.), a good coach at least pulls out one of those games. In comparison, FHCDM had four big wins and his gameplan was always solid. HCSS is a fiery and passionate guy. As a coordinator, he is top notch. As a Head Coach, I'd take many reasonable options over him. Just my two cents.

What we think is secondary to what Coyle thinks. And seems like the insiders think Shafer is safe for this year.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

That was not the only issue with last years team...Also, that's why I said back to back 3-9 seasons...Can't think of any other P5 programs with back to back 3-9 seasons that retain their coach? We would almost be back to where we started pre-marrone (one of the worst P5 programs)

David Cutcliffe - Duke - 2010/2011 - 3-9 and 3-9.

The guy a lot of people are saying is a great coach for what he's done at Duke in building up that program.

 

[phil77]

What we think is secondary to what Coyle thinks. And seems like the insiders think Shafer is safe for this year.

Why would Coyle give any indication one way or another this early? Not like he will leak his plan is to fire him at the end of the season. I think he is taking the same approach we should all take lets see how the season plays out.

 

[Jack_Ball]

David Cutcliffe - Duke - 2010/2011 - 3-9 and 3-9.

The guy a lot of people are saying is a great coach for what he's done at Duke in building up that program.

Apple to oranges...Duke was not 25-25 the fours years before he arrived or 8-5 the year before he got there? The whole reason Shaf was hired was to keep the MO going...back to back 3-9 seasons isnt accomplishing that goal...I hope he wins out and they extend him...I just want Syracuse Football to win...

 

[HOFCeluck]

--7-6, 3-9, 3-?...Those are not records that I am comfortable with and are not trending in the right direction.

LOL. Adios

 

[Crusty]

Why would Coyle give any indication one way or another this early? Not like he will leak his plan is to fire him at the end of the season. I think he is taking the same approach we should all take lets see how the season plays out.

The season isn't over. It looks bleak with our defense and O Line, but perhaps we can beat NCS and BC, which would be a good improvement and might be enough at 5-7 to give Coyle reason to keep going. That is a heavy lift, but who knows - one can hope.

 

[rrlbees]

There are issues that need to be addressed. But the sheer number of kids that are playing on both sides of the ball tells me everything I need to know.

 

[elimunelson]

Are the board insiders giving us the hint that there is no chance he's replaced regardless of results?

I'm curious if anyone really knows what makes Coyle tick yet? Do we have an inkling of what he's thinking, his expectations, etc.

 

[NKR1978]

If we fire shafer, we better guarantee the next guy is better, and we better well guarantee we are willing to commit five years to him, because if I'm a recruit I'm staying away from this dog and pony show. It's going to be the fourth coaching change in 11 years. That'll guarantee you the best of the best recruits. If I'm a high school coach I'm telling my players to go to a good mid major school over a power five program with zero plan for the future.

How many coaches has Pitt burned through and they're doing ok. Though, to be fair, every one they hire seems to be better than the one who left.

 

[Cusefan0307]

How many coaches has Pitt burned through and they're doing ok. Though, to be fair, every one they hire seems to be better than the one who left.

What's everyones deal with Pitt? They're having a good year this year. Big deal. They are no different than us the previous 4 years (2 games under .500), and have had better recruiting classes. If I'm a Pitt fan I'm angry we haven't had a better record until this year. In hindsight it might of been a bad idea for them to get rid of Wannstedt. He was 27-12 his last three years. They are only 30-28 since, and every Pitt fan wanted Wannstedt gone because he underachieved annually.

 

[elimunelson]

What's everyones deal with Pitt? They're having a good year this year. Big deal. They are no different than us the previous 4 years (2 games under .500), and have had better recruiting classes. If I'm a Pitt fan I'm angry we haven't had a better record until this year. In hindsight it might of been a bad idea for them to get rid of Wannstedt. He was 27-12 his last three years. They are only 30-28 since, and every Pitt fan wanted Wannstedt gone because he underachieved annually.

you are joking right? That's their run of bowls since our last very good season. It's not a murder's row of bowls but it's bowl games per annum.

Funny thing is the 2004 Fiesta Bowl we could have gone to i think if USF beat Pitt in the final game of the year if memory serves me (even with the Temple loss)

2001 Tangerine Bowl N.C. State 34 19 Win
2002 Insight Bowl Oregon State 38 13 Win
2003 Continental Tire Bowl Virginia 16 23 Loss
2004 Fiesta Bowl Utah 7 35 Loss
2008 Sun Bowl Oregon State 0 3 Loss
2009 Meineke Car Care Bowl North Carolina 19 17 Win
2010 BBVA Compass Bowl Kentucky 27 10 Win
2011 BBVA Compass Bowl Southern Methodist 6 28 Loss
2012 BBVA Compass Bowl Ole Miss 17 38 Loss
2013 Little Caesars Pizza Bowl Bowling Green 30 27 Win
2014 Armed Forces Bowl Houston 34 35 Loss

 

[HOFCeluck]

Yes, because Pitt and Syracuse are equal jobs.

 

[Cusefan0307]

you are joking right? That's their run of bowls since our last very good season. It's not a murder's row of bowls but it's bowl games per annum.

Funny thing is the 2004 Fiesta Bowl we could have gone to i think if USF beat Pitt in the final game of the year if memory serves me (even with the Temple loss)

2001 Tangerine Bowl N.C. State 34 19 Win
2002 Insight Bowl Oregon State 38 13 Win
2003 Continental Tire Bowl Virginia 16 23 Loss
2004 Fiesta Bowl Utah 7 35 Loss
2008 Sun Bowl Oregon State 0 3 Loss
2009 Meineke Car Care Bowl North Carolina 19 17 Win
2010 BBVA Compass Bowl Kentucky 27 10 Win
2011 BBVA Compass Bowl Southern Methodist 6 28 Loss
2012 BBVA Compass Bowl Ole Miss 17 38 Loss
2013 Little Caesars Pizza Bowl Bowling Green 30 27 Win
2014 Armed Forces Bowl Houston 34 35 Loss

You totally missed the point of my post. They have 2 more wins than us the last 4 years(25-27 vs 23-27). They have been to 5 bowls yes, we have been to 3. there still would be people calling for Shafers Job if we went 6-7 last year and lost to Houston in December.

 

[skurey]

Is there any evidence the extra practices result in anything? I'm honestly curious. Why would 15 practices at the end of a whole season suddenly make a huge improvement?

 

[Crusty]

Is there any evidence the extra practices result in anything? I'm honestly curious. Why would 15 practices at the end of a whole season suddenly make a huge improvement?

Add them up and it is 60 over four years and that does make a difference.

 

[Millhouse]

Is there any evidence the extra practices result in anything? I'm honestly curious. Why would 15 practices at the end of a whole season suddenly make a huge improvement?

i've come around. there is not enough practice time. college football is all about optimizing that practice time and making tradeoffs between offense and defense.

i think harbaugh is successful because he is a madman who runs insane practices.

i think boise is successful because who is ever going to check that they're breaking all kinds of practice laws.

 

[Vorony]

Is there any evidence the extra practices result in anything? I'm honestly curious. Why would 15 practices at the end of a whole season suddenly make a huge improvement?

Agreed. Injuries aside, it sure didn't help us last season. I think this is a weak argument.

Furthermore, 15 extra practices isn't going to help a coaching staff manage in-game decisions.. which is one of the weakest pieces of this staff.

 

[timkay99]

Agreed. Injuries aside, it sure didn't help us last season. I think this is a weak argument.

Furthermore, 15 extra practices isn't going to help a coaching staff manage in-game decisions.. which is one of the weakest pieces of this staff.

As a college baseball coach, practice is absolutely everything in college.

Will the entire team make a jump in the 15 practices? No.

Will the underclassmen? Yes - if they are being coached and are willing to practice hard everyday.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

Apple to oranges...Duke was not 25-25 the fours years before he arrived or 8-5 the year before he got there? The whole reason Shaf was hired was to keep the MO going...back to back 3-9 seasons isnt accomplishing that goal...I hope he wins out and they extend him...I just want Syracuse Football to win...

You asked a question and I answered for you. Nothing more or less. As for Duke, we are alot more similar as a program in 2015 than most proud historical fans care to admit.