Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[Cusefan0307]

Went to the taphouse before the Duke Lacrosse game last year and have not been back. It reminded me of a Marriott hotel bar.

 

[upperdeck]

jacking rent prices seems to be what takes down so many places. Then those place sit empty for years. How is that a good business model?

 

[IthacaMatt]

Yeah, greedy/inept landlord. Been a few instances of that downtown. The fact that the prime location of Syracuse Suds Factory has sat empty for years is downright criminal. Could be home to a great sports bar/brewpub.

That's what happened to Empire Brewing, too. Their rent tripled, and their lawyer let them sign it, while they were trying to develop that 2nd location out in Fabius. Got spread too thin, and the Walton St lease killed their business.

 

[oldpinepoint]

jacking rent prices seems to be what takes down so many places. Then those place sit empty for years. How is that a good business model?

A lot of time they are downstate developers.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Yeah, greedy/inept landlord. Been a few instances of that downtown. The fact that the prime location of Syracuse Suds Factory has sat empty for years is downright criminal. Could be home to a great sports bar/brewpub.

They have a Suds in B’ville. We are pretty sure it is a money laundering operation as no one is ever there. It’s been open for years.

 

[Cusefan0307]

That's what happened to Empire Brewing, too. Their rent tripled, and their lawyer let them sign it, while they were trying to develop that 2nd location out in Fabius. Got spread too thin, and the Walton St lease killed their business.

I loved Empire, but Dave Katleski had a lot of problems and was not a great businessman.

 

[IthacaMatt]

jacking rent prices seems to be what takes down so many places. Then those place sit empty for years. How is that a good business model?

It's not. Mostly I blame brokers. They are the ones trying to pump up prices. They convince landlords they can get someone to pay the rent. But economics is economics.

 

[Tango32]

They have a Suds in B’ville. We are pretty sure it is a money laundering operation as no one is ever there. It’s been open for years.

I've never understood why there's never anyone there. Location is mint being right there on the river

 

[Cusefan0307]

They have a Suds in B’ville. We are pretty sure it is a money laundering operation as no one is ever there. It’s been open for years.

I think everyone in Baldwinsville thinks that.

 

[OttoMets]

The other Clark's Ale House Roast Beef Sandwich imitator / tribute sandwich contender - The French Onion Sammy at the Tap House on Walton St. (former Blue Tusk). This looks amazing, too.

View attachment 251757ouse on Walton (former Blue Tusk).

I am skeptical, if only because everything I've had at the Taphouse is dreadful. And I'm not the pickiest patron.

They are really good at having fruit flies and low morale among the staff. Beyond that, very skeptical.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I am skeptical, if only because everything I've had at the Taphouse is dreadful. And I'm not the pickiest patron.

They are really good at having fruit flies and low morale among the staff. Beyond that, very skeptical.

Maybe I dodged a bullet with the monsoon.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Big news on Harrison Street. An old office building just got funding to be converted into apartments. This is across the street from the new Tech Garden, renamed Inspyre Innovation Hub.

This is another key building in Downtown's redevelopment at the south end of the neighborhood. This building on Harrison, the Chimes Building redevelopment by the Allyn Family at the corner of South Ave and Salina St., Symphony Place apartments right across from the Salt City Market and the Hotel Syracuse - this is going to be a nice neighborhood in 2-3 years, if things go well.

And then just down the block, you have the new STEM magnet high school (former Central Tech), JMA Wireless, and then the old Sears Building is going to be a new workforce development hub.

$13M transformation of Syracuse office building into apartments gets county grant

High Tide Capital cites Micron's chip project in Clay as a key factor in its decision to invest in Syracuse.

www.syracuse.com

 

[lincolncuse]

I am skeptical, if only because everything I've had at the Taphouse is dreadful. And I'm not the pickiest patron.

They are really good at having fruit flies and low morale among the staff. Beyond that, very skeptical.

Went there randomly a few weeks ago after dinner for a drink. We were the only ones in there which was ….awkward. Also the fruit flies wow.

 

[GoSU96]

I've never understood why there's never anyone there. Location is mint being right there on the river

There’s no parking nearby and the food is not great.

 

[Cusester]

I think Mike has put a curse on the place because of the way he was forced out. He was every bit as happy go lucky as he appears here. My he rest in peace!

 

[shandeezy7]

I think Mike has put a curse on the place because of the way he was forced out. He was every bit as happy go lucky as he appears here.

It's J. Ryan's 2.0. Landlord forces out a successful bar and the successor tanks.

 

[shandeezy7]

Big news on Harrison Street. An old office building just got funding to be converted into apartments. This is across the street from the new Tech Garden, renamed Inspyre Innovation Hub.

This is another key building in Downtown's redevelopment at the south end of the neighborhood. This building on Harrison, the Chimes Building redevelopment by the Allyn Family at the corner of South Ave and Salina St., Symphony Place apartments right across from the Salt City Market and the Hotel Syracuse - this is going to be a nice neighborhood in 2-3 years, if things go well.

And then just down the block, you have the new STEM magnet high school (former Central Tech), JMA Wireless, and then the old Sears Building is going to be a new workforce development hub.

$13M transformation of Syracuse office building into apartments gets county grant

High Tide Capital cites Micron's chip project in Clay as a key factor in its decision to invest in Syracuse.

www.syracuse.com

I believe construction is well underway on this one, although I could be wrong. The additional funding will be helpful.

 

[OttoMets]

I believe construction is well underway on this one, although I could be wrong. The additional funding will be helpful.

Interior demo almost complete; construction should move quickly. Occupancy around this time next year.

 

[Jcuse_44]

I think everyone in Baldwinsville thinks that.

I used to bounce at the Armory Suds. Owner was weird for sure. I live in Bville now and have never in my life seen a patron in that restaurant. Really a damn shame cause that river location across from San Miguel is MONEY.

 

[Jcuse_44]

Anyone have any updates on the Inner Harbor Aquarium? I may be in the minority, but I've always wanted an aquarium in Syracuse. Pretty stoked about it.

 

[cusefan88]

Tusk, Empire, Al's was an elite bar hopping evening once upon a time.

 

[sutomcat]

Interior demo almost complete; construction should move quickly. Occupancy around this time next year.

A more vibrant downtown is great. The southern side near there should really benefit from this.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I used to bounce at the Armory Suds. Owner was weird for sure. I live in Bville now and have never in my life seen a patron in that restaurant. Really a damn shame cause that river location across from San Miguel is MONEY.

Hah. I have been in there a handful of times. 2 or 3 times for chowder fest and once for Margarita fest. Used to go to the downtown suds all the time 15-20 years ago. I believe they did 25 cent wings for football. I remember pounding 40 of those in one sitting when I was in my early 20’s.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Anyone have any updates on the Inner Harbor Aquarium? I may be in the minority, but I've always wanted an aquarium in Syracuse. Pretty stoked about it.

I think construction is proceeding but they’re not in a rush while they try to secure some private money to cover the increased costs.

I’m personally curious how they plan to bring in repeat visits. The zoo has a nice enough outdoor walking trail that I can see why some would want to go often. But an aquarium tends to be more of an indoor experience. Hope they know what they’re doing. Unless you have a billion dollars to invest it’s hard to stand out when you have Niagara and Mystic a few hours away. Hopefully they can create an outdoors area for people who want to just stroll through on their lunch break.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think construction is proceeding but they’re not in a rush while they try to secure some private money to cover the increased costs.

I’m personally curious how they plan to bring in repeat visits. The zoo has a nice enough outdoor walking trail that I can see why some would want to go often. But an aquarium tends to be more of an indoor experience. Hope they know what they’re doing. Unless you have a billion dollars to invest it’s hard to stand out when you have Niagara and Mystic a few hours away. Hopefully they can create an outdoors area for people who want to just stroll through on their lunch break.

Think of it in a couple ways - Turning Stoners need a place for the family to go if they are vacationing up here from somewhere else. An aquarium and a zoo 45 minutes away is good.

And this is a checklist item to draw spouses and families of people looking to work at Micron.