Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[orangeinohio]

Wegmans needs to add a few more states further south...

And west

 

[Marty McFly]

Also maybe this has been discussed (too lazy to look back in the thread, lol) what's the deal with the new airport seats? Those appear to be what I would expect at the bus station, not at a renovated airport (faux wood, and plastic with a USB hub) . There are some things to cheapen out on, seats aren't one of them- maybe that's just me, what should a passenger expect for a 50 million dollar upgrade, right?... Oh well between that and the exit pods, not a great first impression for visitors, maybe the rest of it will make up for that oversight.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

You're in good company. If Immanuel Kant couldn't figure it out, what chance do the rest of us have?

Well, he was a real pissant who was rarely ever stable.

 

[OttoMets]

About that last statement...

In NYC last October only 1 of 4 pizza joints had anchovies. What?? I never have that issue at Mellow Mushroom.

It's a valid point...a self-respecting pizza place should offer anchovies. Varsity dropped them because the demand wasn't there and they were throwing out 90% of what they bought. Probably others have had the same problem.

 

[shandeezy7]

It's a valid point...a self-respecting pizza place should offer anchovies. Varsity dropped them because the demand wasn't there and they were throwing out 90% of what they bought. Probably others have had the same problem.

Shouldn't that be a pretty solid sign that anchovies don't belong on pizza? #notmypizza

 

[TexanMark]

Wegmans needs to add a few more states further south...

Like General Sherman...sweep through the ATL

 

[CusefanATL]

About that last statement...

In NYC last October only 1 of 4 pizza joints had anchovies. What?? I never have that issue at Mellow Mushroom.

Please mr moontan... dont start with the Mellow Mushroom CHAIN touching 99% of NY pizzas. Mario and Salvos literally destroys MM. Just example 1.

FYI - you can also get pineapple pizza at Mellow Mushroom. They deserved to be stoned just for that.

do better than anchovies.

you're still a good dude but do better than anchovies.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Yep. My daughter ... is a grad student at Georgetown.

:vomit:

 

[MaxwellCuse]

:vomit:

Yeah, I know. And if that isn't bad enough her sister is a PhD candidate at Notre Dame. It is hard, but I still love them.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Yeah, I know. And if that isn't bad enough her sister is a PhD candidate at Notre Dame. It is hard, but I still love them.

I have started the process of indoctrinating the little Shrmdougluvrs with the understanding that they can go anywhere except Georgetown and PSU.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

I have started the process of indoctrinating the little Shrmdougluvrs with the understanding that they can go anywhere except Georgetown and PSU.

Good luck. I did my best. The eldest one watched her first football game at the age of 7 mos. when Marvin Graves led the Orangemen to a shutout over Arizona in Honolulu in 1990. The youngest cheered on Lawrence Moten and John Wallace from my lap when still in diapers. Somehow it all went to crap. Good luck!

 

[longtimefan]

Well, he was a real pissant who was rarely ever stable.

You aren't addressing his intellect, which is one of the greatest post-Renaissance.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The board has all these so-called insider connections, but nobody seems to have an "in" with the mayor and county exec. Those two entities, IMO, will determine whether we get any state support - which determines if we just get a new roof or bells and whistles.

 

[whobut03]

The board has all these so-called insider connections, but nobody seems to have an "in" with the mayor and county exec. Those two entities, IMO, will determine whether we get any state support - which determines if we just get a new roof or bells and whistles.

Some people here do have an "in" with the mayor and county exec. It's just tough to share information on a public forum as it could damage what each side is trying to accomplish. This is just my feeling.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Some people here do have an "in" with the mayor and county exec. It's just tough to share information on a public forum as it could damage what each side is trying to accomplish. This is just my feeling.

That gives me some hope that at the very least they’re thinking about it.

 

[blizz]

Well, he was a real pissant who was rarely ever stable.

To everyone who doesn't get this reference, it's a friendly reminder that if you find yourself pondering the meaning of life it's time to pour yourself another ale.

 

[longtimefan]

To everyone who doesn't get this reference, it's a friendly reminder that if you find yourself pondering the meaning of life it's time to pour yourself another ale.

Unless you're at a point in your life where the meaning of life is worth pondering.

 

[blizz]

Unless you're at a point in your life where the meaning of life is worth pondering.

There is, on average, between 5 to 7 minutes of brain activity after the heart stops beating.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The board has all these so-called insider connections, but nobody seems to have an "in" with the mayor and county exec. Those two entities, IMO, will determine whether we get any state support - which determines if we just get a new roof or bells and whistles.

Joanie was a drinking buddy in law school. That's all I've got.

 

[sutomcat]

Common Councilors say luxury apartment development on University Hill needs to slow down (DP; Muller)

Cranes and construction vehicles on University Hill, in the last decade, have often marked the sites of future luxury apartment complexes.

Developments with names such as Campus West, 505 on Walnut and Copper Beech Commons target the area’s student population. Per-bedroom rents can cost residents an upward of $1,500 a month, and more buildings are on the way.

But as developers continue to build apartments on the Hill, new Syracuse Common Councilors representing neighborhoods near Syracuse University say future construction of similar projects needs to slow down.

“I feel like we have enough,” said Latoya Allen, who was elected last November as Common Councilor of the 4th district to represent some of the university-area neighborhood and parts of SU. “Because right now, it seems as if we don’t even have the means to fill the ones they’re building right now.”

The Marshall, an eight-story, 287-unit luxury student housing complex near Marshall Street, is expected to open in fall 2018. And another housing project, called Theory, is being built on East Genesee Street.

Allen’s sentiment, shared by some of the city’s local leaders, marks a departure from Mayor Ben Walsh’s support for residential development projects near SU and Interstate 81.
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[shandeezy7]

Common Councilors say luxury apartment development on University Hill needs to slow down (DP; Muller)

Cranes and construction vehicles on University Hill, in the last decade, have often marked the sites of future luxury apartment complexes.

Developments with names such as Campus West, 505 on Walnut and Copper Beech Commons target the area’s student population. Per-bedroom rents can cost residents an upward of $1,500 a month, and more buildings are on the way.

But as developers continue to build apartments on the Hill, new Syracuse Common Councilors representing neighborhoods near Syracuse University say future construction of similar projects needs to slow down.

“I feel like we have enough,” said Latoya Allen, who was elected last November as Common Councilor of the 4th district to represent some of the university-area neighborhood and parts of SU. “Because right now, it seems as if we don’t even have the means to fill the ones they’re building right now.”

The Marshall, an eight-story, 287-unit luxury student housing complex near Marshall Street, is expected to open in fall 2018. And another housing project, called Theory, is being built on East Genesee Street.

Allen’s sentiment, shared by some of the city’s local leaders, marks a departure from Mayor Ben Walsh’s support for residential development projects near SU and Interstate 81.
...

Can't really disagree with her. Hope city leadership - and SU leadership, for that matter - are paying attention. More apartment units are being built than students are being added to enrollment at SU. One of two things is going to happen here:

1.) These new units won't be filled with students and some projects may fail.
2.) These new projects create a vacuum from the university neighborhood, leading to abandoned properties and further deterioration of the neighborhood.

The second option should be especially concerning to SU and the city, as neither would like to see a rundown neighborhood right next door to the university (at least any more rundown than it already is thanks to shady absentee landlords who rent dumps to college kids).

If I'm the university, I'm putting pressure on the city to start rigorously enforcing property codes. I feel like for far too long, the city has looked the other way on these issues because these landlords pay their taxes, and they have let tax revenue take precedence over healthy neighborhoods. I think it's also worth exploring some sort of incentive to reconvert a lot of these two family homes back into single family homes. Perhaps offering tax breaks to new owners who will occupy these homes. Just feels like something needs to be done or this neighborhood will be lost for good.

 

[Fly Rodder]

This is like the run on banks and pharmacies from a few years back.

 

[OttoMets]

Can't really disagree with her. Hope city leadership - and SU leadership, for that matter - are paying attention. More apartment units are being built than students are being added to enrollment at SU. One of two things is going to happen here:

1.) These new units won't be filled with students and some projects may fail.
2.) These new projects create a vacuum from the university neighborhood, leading to abandoned properties and further deterioration of the neighborhood.

The second option should be especially concerning to SU and the city, as neither would like to see a rundown neighborhood right next door to the university (at least any more rundown than it already is thanks to shady absentee landlords who rent dumps to college kids).

If I'm the university, I'm putting pressure on the city to start rigorously enforcing property codes. I feel like for far too long, the city has looked the other way on these issues because these landlords pay their taxes, and they have let tax revenue take precedence over healthy neighborhoods. I think it's also worth exploring some sort of incentive to reconvert a lot of these two family homes back into single family homes. Perhaps offering tax breaks to new owners who will occupy these homes. Just feels like something needs to be done or this neighborhood will be lost for good.

I think some combination of options 1 and 2 are possibilities. But stakeholders are aware of the housing problem on the horizon and we'll see some aggressive action here. It'll be interesting to see how vacancies spike when all these projects deliver in August. Anecdotally, it's not a good time to own secondary properties (off the Livingston/Euclid/Westcott corridors) in the SEUNA area. Wonder how this will affect all the converted rental properties up in the hood northeast of campus? That's the one area where the investor rush has arguably helped the city. A ton of students (especially Asian ones) are living north of East Genesee around the former Cherry Hill projects.

One thing I know: I'd hate to hold the debt on the big Aspen development down off East Brighton (#10 on Tom's list). They're tight-lipped about occupancy, but I heard it's hovering around 50%. And they scoffed at the idea of a shuttle service to campus during the planning process, despite the fact that it's about a 40-minute walk with a pretty ugly sidewalk situation for the first four blocks. Now, after ridiculously slow leasing? They've set up a shuttle.

 

[shandeezy7]

I think some combination of options 1 and 2 are possibilities. But stakeholders are aware of the housing problem on the horizon and we'll see some aggressive action here. It'll be interesting to see how vacancies spike when all these projects deliver in August. Anecdotally, it's not a good time to own secondary properties (off the Livingston/Euclid/Westcott corridors) in the SEUNA area. Wonder how this will affect all the converted rental properties up in the hood northeast of campus? That's the one area where the investor rush has arguably helped the city. A ton of students (especially Asian ones) are living north of East Genesee around the former Cherry Hill projects.

One thing I know: I'd hate to hold the debt on the big Aspen development down off East Brighton (#10 on Tom's list). They're tight-lipped about occupancy, but I heard it's hovering around 50%. And they scoffed at the idea of a shuttle service to campus during the planning process, despite the fact that it's about a 40-minute walk with a pretty ugly sidewalk situation for the first four blocks. Now, after ridiculously slow leasing? They've set up a shuttle.

Very interesting. I think the only way for some of these massive projects to survive (like the Aspen project) is going to involve lowering rents and opening them up to not only college students. There actually is a void in the apartment market in the city proper for young professionals. I know in my experience of apartment hunting in my 20's that there are good high-end options downtown and then there are a lot of lower-end options (mediocre to awful apartment complexes or Tipp Hill rentals). There isn't too much in the middle range, and this could be one of those.

 

[TexanMark]

Market forces will cause a self regulation. If the city thinks enough have been built or been approved...they need to end incentives.

The Aspen if they suffer low occupancy needs to pony some funds and work with the city to improve walking and biking access.