Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[OrangeXtreme]

Changes to Erie Boulevard proposed:

DOT releases images of proposed changes to Erie Boulevard for statewide bike trail

Since 690 is already down to two lanes, why don't they make that the bike trail.

 

[shandeezy7]

Another long overdue measure. Hopefully this is a sign that the current administration will put an actual emphasis on neighborhood development and quality of life, instead of happily accepting tax payments from slumlords while turning a blind eye to derelict properties.

After 2 years of trying, Syracuse council passes rental inspection law

 

[tipphill]

Syracuse would greatly benefit from a new downtown arena. But the state was only putting up 25% of the money. Where was the other funding coming from? And why was Mahoney trying to push the project thru with no review? Isn’t that a formula for the arena to be poorly planned and overrun with design flaws that make it at best harder and more expensive to operate and at worst unusable for the type of events that would make it profitable?

Would you buy a to-be-built house from a contractor that wouldn’t show you the plans, much less let you ask pertinent questions about it?

you have an enormous number of assumptions in this response. i also have some such as:we do not know the full story, other than miner is intractable and has a hx. of being hard to work with and a obstructionist.
there maybe other discussions/deals going on re this or other projects that we have no knowledge about.
why have so many other upstate cities received major money from the state (buffalo,utica,albany etc etc) without issue????and syracuse doesn't??? why is that??
hows the amphitheater working out ---many people did not want that either??? how has destiny worked out for the economy-----that was opposed as well.????
was the public informed or included in the decision to declare the syracuse a sanctuary city??? what additional public funds are used to support the already stretched public services for that decision such as education(which is already horrible),healthcare, public assistance, food stamps,law enforcement etc.
my simple point is that there are so much politics involved that we never get the full story. this will always be an issue. you will never convince me that money for infrastructure improvements would not be included in the planning process. miner was excluded due to what i said before. her ego got hurt and she would not negotiate.

 

[dooey139]

St. Joe's will be the sponsor on Lakeview Amphitheater, per an email my GF got from the CEO. I assume it will be announced today too.

 

[shandeezy7]

you have an enormous number of assumptions in this response. i also have some such as:we do not know the full story, other than miner is intractable and has a hx. of being hard to work with and a obstructionist.
there maybe other discussions/deals going on re this or other projects that we have no knowledge about.
why have so many other upstate cities received major money from the state (buffalo,utica,albany etc etc) without issue????and syracuse doesn't??? why is that??
hows the amphitheater working out ---many people did not want that either??? how has destiny worked out for the economy-----that was opposed as well.????
was the public informed or included in the decision to declare the syracuse a sanctuary city??? what additional public funds are used to support the already stretched public services for that decision such as education(which is already horrible),healthcare, public assistance, food stamps,law enforcement etc.
my simple point is that there are so much politics involved that we never get the full story. this will always be an issue. you will never convince me that money for infrastructure improvements would not be included in the planning process. miner was excluded due to what i said before. her ego got hurt and she would not negotiate.

To provide a counter-argument (beyond your off-topic rant about sanctuary cities), projects tied into state money in Buffalo, Syracuse and Albany all ended up swept up in a massive corruption trial that kinda sorta proved the people right who were saying that this was all rushed and done under dubious circumstances.

The Buffalo project has seen $750 million invested in a state-of-the-art factory that has had massive cost overruns, construction delays and now a company operating it that appears to be floundering. The big money invested in Utica came crumbling apart when the chip manufacturer backed out of the deal - after construction had already started. There's a new company moving in, but one promising 70% less jobs than the original company. So lets not pretend that everything is all rosy as it relates to state money invested elsewhere around the state, because that's some serious truth-bending.

 

[shandeezy7]

St. Joe's will be the sponsor on Lakeview Amphitheater, per an email my GF got from the CEO. I assume it will be announced today too.

So after earning a profit for the first time in 5 years last year, they are just going to start throwing cash around? Interesting.

 

[OttoMets]

So after earning a profit for the first time in 5 years last year, they are just going to start throwing cash around? Interesting.

This is weird on two levels. One: yeah, their finances have been shaky and a couple friends who work there have told me that the recent affiliation with the larger network (or maybe they were completely purchased by another medical group, I didn't pay full attention) has led to an atmosphere of nickel-diming, cheaper supplies, generally they're not flush with money. So this doesn't seem to be a solid use of funds.

Second, when the county couldn't find a naming partner before the facility opened (or at least before last season), that burned a lot of the prospective brand value. Going two+ years without a corporate name left a void for a popularly-recognized name to take root, and it has: The Amp.

So good for the county for earning a few more bucks to pay their unqualified dope of a parks commissioner (who's marginally better than the city's parks commissioner in that he's not facing jail time) or do a haphazard job mowing lawns and cutting down sick ash trees. But St. Joseph's might have got the short end of the stick on this deal.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

To provide a counter-argument (beyond your off-topic rant about sanctuary cities), projects tied into state money in Buffalo, Syracuse and Albany all ended up swept up in a massive corruption trial that kinda sorta proved the people right who were saying that this was all rushed and done under dubious circumstances.

The Buffalo project has seen $750 million invested in a state-of-the-art factory that has had massive cost overruns, construction delays and now a company operating it that appears to be floundering. The big money invested in Utica came crumbling apart when the chip manufacturer backed out of the deal - after construction had already started. There's a new company moving in, but one promising 70% less jobs than the original company. So lets not pretend that everything is all rosy as it relates to state money invested elsewhere around the state, because that's some serious truth-bending.

Can't spell corrupt without Andrew Cuomo.

 

[dooey139]

This is weird on two levels. One: yeah, their finances have been shaky and a couple friends who work there have told me that the recent affiliation with the larger network (or maybe they were completely purchased by another medical group, I didn't pay full attention) has led to an atmosphere of nickel-diming, cheaper supplies, generally they're not flush with money. So this doesn't seem to be a solid use of funds.

Second, when the county couldn't find a naming partner before the facility opened (or at least before last season), that burned a lot of the prospective brand value. Going two+ years without a corporate name left a void for a popularly-recognized name to take root, and it has: The Amp.

So good for the county for earning a few more bucks to pay their unqualified dope of a parks commissioner (who's marginally better than the city's parks commissioner in that he's not facing jail time) or do a haphazard job mowing lawns and cutting down sick ash trees. But St. Joseph's might have got the short end of the stick on this deal.

You don't think "St. Joseph's Health Amphitheater at Lakeview" is gonna catch on??

Onondaga County reveals who bought amphitheater naming rights for $750K

 

[alphaorange]

This is weird on two levels. One: yeah, their finances have been shaky and a couple friends who work there have told me that the recent affiliation with the larger network (or maybe they were completely purchased by another medical group, I didn't pay full attention) has led to an atmosphere of nickel-diming, cheaper supplies, generally they're not flush with money. So this doesn't seem to be a solid use of funds.

Second, when the county couldn't find a naming partner before the facility opened (or at least before last season), that burned a lot of the prospective brand value. Going two+ years without a corporate name left a void for a popularly-recognized name to take root, and it has: The Amp.

So good for the county for earning a few more bucks to pay their unqualified dope of a parks commissioner (who's marginally better than the city's parks commissioner in that he's not facing jail time) or do a haphazard job mowing lawns and cutting down sick ash trees. But St. Joseph's might have got the short end of the stick on this deal.

Yes on the first. All true. Tons of personnel cutbacks to the point that saftey seems to be compromised in some cases. The group you are trying to think of is the Trinity group. The benefits have just about bottomed out. Not the place is was once.

 

[Newhouser]

This is weird on two levels. One: yeah, their finances have been shaky and a couple friends who work there have told me that the recent affiliation with the larger network (or maybe they were completely purchased by another medical group, I didn't pay full attention) has led to an atmosphere of nickel-diming, cheaper supplies, generally they're not flush with money. So this doesn't seem to be a solid use of funds.

Second, when the county couldn't find a naming partner before the facility opened (or at least before last season), that burned a lot of the prospective brand value. Going two+ years without a corporate name left a void for a popularly-recognized name to take root, and it has: The Amp.

So good for the county for earning a few more bucks to pay their unqualified dope of a parks commissioner (who's marginally better than the city's parks commissioner in that he's not facing jail time) or do a haphazard job mowing lawns and cutting down sick ash trees. But St. Joseph's might have got the short end of the stick on this deal.

There has to be something for St Joe's in another deal or else this makes no sense.

 

[TexanMark]

There has to be something for St Joe's in another deal or else this makes no sense.

All the Amphitheater drunks and O.D. victims will go to St Joe's

 

[FrancoPizza]

There has to be something for St Joe's in another deal or else this makes no sense.

They're getting a cash advance from someone, obviously.

 

[SmilinBob]

This is weird on two levels. One: yeah, their finances have been shaky and a couple friends who work there have told me that the recent affiliation with the larger network (or maybe they were completely purchased by another medical group, I didn't pay full attention) has led to an atmosphere of nickel-diming, cheaper supplies, generally they're not flush with money. So this doesn't seem to be a solid use of funds.

Second, when the county couldn't find a naming partner before the facility opened (or at least before last season), that burned a lot of the prospective brand value. Going two+ years without a corporate name left a void for a popularly-recognized name to take root, and it has: The Amp.

So good for the county for earning a few more bucks to pay their unqualified dope of a parks commissioner (who's marginally better than the city's parks commissioner in that he's not facing jail time) or do a haphazard job mowing lawns and cutting down sick ash trees. But St. Joseph's might have got the short end of the stick on this deal.

Sounds like shaky potatjoes to me.

 

[longtimefan]

This thread is to discuss development in and around Syracuse except for the SU campus.

Use the Future Campus Framework Discussion thread to discuss development on the SU campus.

I-81 situations across the country.
America Begins Capping Freeway Scars of the Past

 

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[shandeezy7]

Next for the J. Ryan's bar spot in downtown Syracuse: Talisman Tap Room?

 

[OttoMets]

Next for the J. Ryan's bar spot in downtown Syracuse: Talisman Tap Room?

I rarely read the comments but did here and Bob Dougherty makes an interesting point. I'm torn.

 

[shandeezy7]

I rarely read the comments but did here and Bob Dougherty makes an interesting point. I'm torn.

Yeah it's a tough spot. Gonna be hard to have success in that location immediately following a bar like J. Ryan's that had a cult-like following.

 

[cuse10]

Bumping the thread because more $2,000 apartments are being developed in Downtown Syracuse. Is there really a demand for housing this expensive in the community? Has Downtown cleaned up that much in recent years?

 

[shandeezy7]

Bumping the thread because more $2,000 apartments are being developed in Downtown Syracuse. Is there really a demand for housing this expensive in the community? Has Downtown cleaned up that much in recent years?

The projects keep being built, so obviously there must be demand. I think a plateau will eventually be reached, but we don't appear to be at that point yet.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Bumping the thread because more $2,000 apartments are being developed in Downtown Syracuse. Is there really a demand for housing this expensive in the community? Has Downtown cleaned up that much in recent years?

I think it's mostly for students and young professionals. The Downtown vacancy rate is only about 1%, so they are definitely getting tenants. The ripple effect is driving up rents in the suburbs, too.

 

[cuse10]

The projects keep being built, so obviously there must be demand. I think a plateau will eventually be reached, but we don't appear to be at that point yet.

What is driving people to live Downtown? That was a part of the city we usually steered clear of especially once the sun set. Armory Square is merely a few minutes away, but other than that, I never saw it as a place worth living in.

Re: the plateau. It's wishful thinking. We're having this problem in New York City. They just keep going up and up with no end in sight. I don't think it is sustainable if you're stuck in between. While there are positives to renting, this is one of the glaring negatives.

 

[TexanMark]

I think it's mostly for students and young professionals. The Downtown vacancy rate is only about 1%, so they are definitely getting tenants. The ripple effect is driving up rents in the suburbs, too.

It is also "empty-nesters" and active younger retirees. Many feed off the energy of downtown. Now downtown needs a mini-Wegmans or Trader Joe's.