Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[sutomcat]

Even more apartments on the way. Gotta say cleaning up that corner of downtown will be nice though.

Downtown Syracuse's Jefferson Center to be redeveloped with apartments

Good to see the east side of downtown getting some love too. Even though those proposed extensions on the bottom floors look hideous to me.

Former Nynex building in downtown Syracuse to get more apartments, no office space

 

[TexanMark]

With all the new apartments coming...can a Trader Joe's be that far behind?

Perfect opportunity for Wegman's to try out a niche market concept and beat them to the punch.

Still it is concerning that office space vacancy is still too high.

 

[Trueblue25]

Interesting times we’re progressing towards in downtown. I hope they eventually find a way to safely and aesthetically connect tipp and downtown with retail/restaurants/etc.

 

[SmilinBob]

Interesting times we’re progressing towards in downtown. I hope they eventually find a way to safely and aesthetically connect tipp and downtown with retail/restaurants/etc.

How's it compare with Buffalo's downtown? People tell me that's the cats meow and they love what's been done.

 

[shandeezy7]

How's it compare with Buffalo's downtown? People tell me that's the cats meow and they love what's been done.

I actually think that downtown Syracuse compares pretty favorably with downtown Buffalo. Both have seen great improvements over the past decade. Having the baseball stadium and hockey arena downtown, along with the long overdue redevelopment of the Canalside area puts Buffalo at another level. However, I would argue that Syracuse got a head start on Buffalo in the redevelopment of vacant properties into vibrant residential/mixed-use buildings, and it has mostly been done very well.

 

[Trueblue25]

How's it compare with Buffalo's downtown? People tell me that's the cats meow and they love what's been done.

Ive not frequented Buffalo’s downtown in years, however I will say Buffalo’s downtown is Syracuse on steroids and about 5-10 years ahead in this progressive trajectory.

Breweries, restaurants, retail, outdoor areas, apartments spreading

They’ve also built a green corridor, from what I’ve understand running from downtown all the way up the Niagara river.

No doubt UB’s medical campus downtown will help too.

It’s very impressive how Buffalo’s turned around, and really exciting for Syracuse.

 

[Trueblue25]

I actually think that downtown Syracuse compares pretty favorably with downtown Buffalo. Both have seen great improvements over the past decade. Having the baseball stadium and hockey arena downtown, along with the long overdue redevelopment of the Canalside area puts Buffalo at another level. However, I would argue that Syracuse got a head start on Buffalo in the redevelopment of vacant properties into vibrant residential/mixed-use buildings, and it has mostly been done very well.

This. Buffalo’s just doing everything we’re doing on a larger scale. What they’ve done with silo city is nice.

 

[General20]

How's it compare with Buffalo's downtown? People tell me that's the cats meow and they love what's been done.

A lot of the stuff they added in Buffalo that people are getting so excited about is stuff Syracuse has been enjoying for years.

For example, Canal side is their Clinton Square. It's bigger and on the water, but removed from bars and retaraunts. So there are plusses to what Buffalo has and plusses to what Syracuse has, but having festivals, concerts, Etc in the city is newer to them than us.

 

[sutomcat]

Interesting times we’re progressing towards in downtown. I hope they eventually find a way to safely and aesthetically connect tipp and downtown with retail/restaurants/etc.

It is happening slowly but surely. The Dietz factory has been repurposed as an apartment building. Channel 24 located to the Near West Side. Park Ave is getting cleaned up and restored to its former grandeur. The old Porter Cable building on W Fayette and Seneca has lots of parking and should be restored soon. This will take a lot of time but I think it will happen. A new ball park would have been a great way to fast path some of the blighted areas near here.

It is a shame the old Marsellus Casket building on Richmond and Erie Blvd West was burned down by that idiot arsonist. It was beautiful. The exposed wood and brick and the location would have been a fantastic place to locate a business, or more apartments or condos. Hope someone builds something nice there someday soon.

 

[Trueblue25]

It is happening slowly but surely. The Dietz factory has been repurposed as an apartment building. Channel 24 located to the Near West Side. Park Ave is getting cleaned up and restored to its former grandeur. The old Porter Cable building on W Fayette and Seneca has lots of parking and should be restored soon. This will take a lot of time but I think it will happen. A new ball park would have been a great way to fast path some of the blighted areas near here.

It is a shame the old Marsellus Casket building on Richmond and Erie Blvd West was burned down by that idiot arsonist. It was beautiful. The exposed wood and brick and the location would have been a fantastic place to locate a business, or more apartments or condos. Hope someone builds something nice there someday soon.

I hope to see some progress here over the next few years. I love the Westside

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

That could have brought some $$$$s at sports memorabilia trade shows. I possessed Some Bobby Orr rookie cards, my mother threw out. I priced them between 400 and 800 dollars a piece.

If you're a memoribilia guy, my brother has an interesting piece. It's a limited edition 1980 USA hockey lithograph by Leroy Neiman, signed by Herb Brooks.
Any thoughts on value.

 

[shandeezy7]

This. Buffalo’s just doing everything we’re doing on a larger scale. What they’ve done with silo city is nice.

Silo City is an interesting case. The silos are massive monuments to Buffalo's industrial past but they really don't serve a purpose beyond that. They aren't like old warehouses and factories that can be converted into apartments/condos/office space. They are quite literally huge piles of steel reinforced concrete that would be incredibly expensive to tear down. The half torn down silos next to Riverworks are at the same time cool and also reminiscent of a Call of Duty multiplayer environment.

 

[OttoMets]

Interesting times we’re progressing towards in downtown. I hope they eventually find a way to safely and aesthetically connect tipp and downtown with retail/restaurants/etc.

Check out what Rick Destito is doing, one building at a time, in the West Fayette corridor. It'll get there.

 

[OttoMets]

It is happening slowly but surely. The Dietz factory has been repurposed as an apartment building. Channel 24 located to the Near West Side. Park Ave is getting cleaned up and restored to its former grandeur. The old Porter Cable building on W Fayette and Seneca has lots of parking and should be restored soon. ...

This one? Any details?

 

[Trueblue25]

Check out what Rick Destito is doing, one building at a time, in the West Fayette corridor. It'll get there.

Syracuse has A LOT of promise in that area and the east side.

Really interested to see what happens with the North Side, it seems to be going downhill while everywhere else is rebounding.

 

[cuse10]

That could have brought some $$$$s at sports memorabilia trade shows. I possessed Some Bobby Orr rookie cards, my mother threw out. I priced them between 400 and 800 dollars a piece.

To this day, my dad has a very icy relationship with his cousins who threw out his baseball card collection that he had curated from when he was a child. Among them were autographed Pete Rose and Hank Aaron cards along with generic autographs, filled out game cards and hotel phone numbers from when the visiting teams would stay in the city before heading over to Shea.

 

[upperdeck]

I think the branding of the mets and the use of S is great because it now lends itself to the school logo/colors but a new Mets hat and wear it to Su games.

 

[OttoMets]

Syracuse has A LOT of promise in that area and the east side.

Really interested to see what happens with the North Side, it seems to be going downhill while everywhere else is rebounding.

Crime's gotta go somewhere, unfortunately, and that's where it seems to have scattered to from all the demolished East Side and Presidential Plaza projects (along with some other microtrends in local housing). It bears watching. I'd hate to think of where some North Side neighborhoods would be if it weren't for some conscientious local businesspeople and a lot of hard-working refugees.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Good to see the east side of downtown getting some love too. Even though those proposed extensions on the bottom floors look hideous to me.

Former Nynex building in downtown Syracuse to get more apartments, no office space

Big shout out to Rob Simpson. He has been the driving force behind so much of the redevelopment of Downtown. I had an interview for a position with him about 4 years ago, to head up the Tech Garden, and he was talking about how he has been putting these deals together, building by building, block by block, for years. I could see him being a very effective politician, if he ever chooses to run. His accomplishments with the revitalization of Downtown have been spectacular, in my opinion.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Interesting times we’re progressing towards in downtown. I hope they eventually find a way to safely and aesthetically connect tipp and downtown with retail/restaurants/etc.

That would take 20 years. Nice thought, though.

 

[sutomcat]

This one? Any details?
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Yes, the big 5 story building on the right. I know parts of it have been restored, but looking at it, it looks like the whole thing might have been fixed up. There are a lot of cars parked in the parking lots anyway.

Here is a better view of the building (it is huge). Similar to the old Midtown Plaza, another huge old factory that was unfortunately torn down a while back. Believe it was home to the Smith Corona typewriter factory back in the day.

When you take a minute to review all the progress that has been made recently, it is really amazing.

 

[SU68]

After reading the "factories are closed, woe is me" posts for so many years, I'm curious: what new jobs have come to the downtown area to fill all of the new apartments?

 

[shandeezy7]

Yes, the big 5 story building on the right. I know parts of it have been restored, but looking at it, it looks like the whole thing might have been fixed up. There are a lot of cars parked in the parking lots anyway.

Here is a better view of the building (it is huge). Similar to the old Midtown Plaza, another huge old factory that was unfortunately torn down a while back. Believe it was home to the Smith Corona typewriter factory back in the day.

When you take a minute to review all the progress that has been made recently, it is really amazing.

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That building is a great urban renewal success story, especially with it being so close to one of the roughest neighborhoods in the city. At least part of it was renovated into office space many years ago. I remember going there with my aunt when her office was there probably 20+ years ago. I believe that building also has the headquarters of Oneida Air, which is a very fast growing local company.

After 'Shark Tank' appearance, Syracuse manufacturer to double employment

Turning Dust Into Dollars | Oneida Air Systems' Metal Fabrication Tools

 

[OttoMets]

Yes, the big 5 story building on the right. I know parts of it have been restored, but looking at it, it looks like the whole thing might have been fixed up. There are a lot of cars parked in the parking lots anyway.

Here is a better view of the building (it is huge). Similar to the old Midtown Plaza, another huge old factory that was unfortunately torn down a while back. Believe it was home to the Smith Corona typewriter factory back in the day.

When you take a minute to review all the progress that has been made recently, it is really amazing.

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Ah, thought you meant the one on the east side of Seneca. I represent another property owner on that stretch and was fishing for more details.

Not sure about the status of the big building; I know that the center section is finished and occupied, but I'm not sure about the east and west wings. As you note, it's huge (~450,000 square feet) and it can be tough to find a parking space during the week.

There's a picture framing shop on the ground floor that does mainly commercial work but accepts jobs from individual customers. Media Finishings. They do awesome work and I highly recommend them. That's all I've got.

 

[sutomcat]

After reading the "factories are closed, woe is me" posts for so many years, I'm curious: what new jobs have come to the downtown area to fill all of the new apartments?

Some of the people moving downtown are empty nester types, who don't need as much space and don't want to take care of a house and a yard any longer.

Some of the development has added more office space downtown, which has brought more jobs downtown.

But I think a lot of the demand is from relatively young people who would not have lived downtown in the past. They probably would have rented an apartment in Liverpool, Camillus or Manlius in the past. Downtown is the cool place to live right now. No question about that.