Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[tipphill]

As of Jan 1st NY is going all electric on new construction and home builds. Bye bye natural gas and propane.

I live in pa. We had two high end carrier hear pumps one for each floor. They do not produce warm air
The air is neutral. You will always be cool or colder. When temp drops to 20 or lower they go into emergency mode. You will pay a fortune. I got rid of them and went to propane as nat. Gas is not available. Suggest you ask hochul if she has heat pumps. The northeast is no place for heat pumps. Highly efficient is bs

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

FWIW: I have heard from 3-4 people that a certain fruit company is eyeing Syracuse once Micron is nearing production. One was a client whose son would be near those types of discussions. Who knows, but just to be considered.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I live in pa. We had two high end carrier hear pumps one for each floor. They do not produce warm air
The air is neutral. You will always be cool or colder. When temp drops to 20 or lower they go into emergency mode. You will pay a fortune. I got rid of them and went to propane as nat. Gas is not available. Suggest you ask hochul if she has heat pumps. The northeast is no place for heat pumps. Highly efficient is bs

When people in Western NY freeze to death in a snow storm, Houchel will blame everyone but herself. No one (seemingly) has called her on the extreme winter weather and overburdened grid

 

[HtownOrange]

Another option being developed is the coal direct chemical looping process using coal that releases minimal carbon pollution. It is chemically processed in a closed system. The energy is released generating heat. The waste can be returned to the coal mines from whence it came.

Ohio State University is leading the way on this process and research. Anyway, if it ends up working it will benefit many nations who may lack resources for nuclear or whom nobody wants to have nuclear generation to avoid further development of weapons grade materials.

There are no true solutions, only tradeoffs. We all choose which tradeoffs we will accept and refuse to accept.

 

[xc84]

Yeah, but - the plurality (49%) of electricity used by NYS comes from fossil fuels anyway.

So is this really doing anything, other than those fossil fuels being used indirectly instead of directly by the consumers?

That’s why I stated, “More work is still required on how to best generate the electricity“

 

[xc84]

As George Bush says: New Kle UR

We need to get working on the big plant in Oswego and in the meantime build some Small Modular Reactors (SMRs). Plus electrical grids need to be upgraded.

The biggest issue with nuclear is the government constantly changes regulations and construction costs balloon and get delayed.

I just bought a mid size portable battery with solar panels to keep my fridge, freezer, wifi and lights running in event of a brownout. BTW you can still get 30% tax credit back on certain models.

If you have kids who aren't soft, encourage them to get into anything involved with power generation, electrical grid design and repair or as an electrician.

I thought Bush said nookler

Anyways, I agree on nuclear. At this point, it is the only thing that can scale To needs. Maybe fusion will someday be a reality and if a way is found to efficiently produce hydrogen, fuel cells could be a component.

The main problem is our political system won’t allow for strategic, long term solutions. trump just shut down manor solar and wind farm projects that are nearly complete. Dumbass. Nuclear construction has its own opposition and it takes a decade to build a large plant. Modular may help but the government needs to pave the way using science and logic.

 

[xc84]

When people in Western NY freeze to death in a snow storm, Houchel will blame everyone but herself. No one (seemingly) has called her on the extreme winter weather and overburdened grid

I had a forced air furnace and trust me, it uses electricity and when we had a power outage… no heat. That happens now.

Battery backup might help prevent people from freezing some day.

As we move from fossil fuels to other ways to generate heat, the grid will need to be fortified. That’s part of the plan.

Extreme weather is not a governor’s fault.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I heat with propane and it also runs my backup generator. Someone is going to sue the state and win! It also runs my fireplace.

 

[HtownOrange]

Extreme weather is not a governor’s fault.

Not intended to start a political fight, but while a governor, president, legislator, or local government officials, emergency responders, etc., cannot be held to control the weather, lunatic accusations excepted, the response to the weather and meeting the needs of the people is solely at their feet, for good or ill. And they should be rewarded for good or ill.

Playing politics in an emergency should be a felony on top of any other crimes and should carry tort penalties, too. I like Arizona's idiot driver law. The desert is subject to flash floods, if an idiot drives into a wash when it has been blocked, they will do anything they can to rescue an idiot driver but the idiot driver will pay all expenses. It only takes four inches of moving water to move a Humvee.

 

[donniesyracuse]

For the eventual end, bury it deep. That's the current plan.

Where?

 

[HtownOrange]

Where?

Yucca Mountain was the plan. Obama nixed it. The current process, to the best of my knowledge is

Waste Isolation Pilot Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oil and gas wells go much deeper, more than 10X WIPP. It has been suggested that they can bury waste down that far. I heard this from an oil and gas executive engineer, I don't know of any attempts, to date.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Is there a plan for old solar panels and windmills?

There should be, but it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison. While the waste from solar is toxic, I don’t think it’s radioactive. Am I wrong? It’s not my area of expertise.

 

[MSOrange]

I heat with propane and it also runs my backup generator. Someone is going to sue the state and win! It also runs my fireplace.

Hank Hill commends you

 

[TexanMark]

I live in pa. We had two high end carrier hear pumps one for each floor. They do not produce warm air
The air is neutral. You will always be cool or colder. When temp drops to 20 or lower they go into emergency mode. You will pay a fortune. I got rid of them and went to propane as nat. Gas is not available. Suggest you ask hochul if she has heat pumps. The northeast is no place for heat pumps. Highly efficient is bs

True...5 years ago heat pumps were basically more energy efficient at temps at or above about 32 degrees. They are best suited for more moderate winter weather areas.

I'm not sure if any improvement has been made since then.

 

[NJCuse97]

Wow! This thread got not just political, but also fairly technical! I’m enjoying following this one! I will say that I worked on design and operation of a NYC building with a substantial air source heat pump array. As others have said, it struggled in extremes and the building has not been able to eliminate its traditional boiler/hot water system. The NYC “all-electric” incentives were ultimately a good idea, but poorly timed and rolled out. The grid can’t support, and ignoring the existing steam system has caused huge cost spikes for needed steam. The programs aimed at developers and landlords instead of energy providers. ConEd is finally looking into ways of providing steam with renewable electric fired boilers fed from offshore wind, micro-nuclear, and other sources. Micro-grids are also a new but logical consideration. What surprised me was learning that NYS gives little incentive consideration to hydroelectric, and the state actually generates a good amount of it.

 

[bevosu]

Not sure how current these prices are, but both Solvay and Skaneateles have municipal utility companies.

Average cost of electricity in Solvay, New York

According to our data, the average electricity rate in Solvay is 5.62 cents per kWh. This equates to an average residential bill of $59.70 per month. Our data also shows the average resident in Solvay uses 1061 kWh per month.

• Skaneateles residents pay 5.60 cents per kWh, while the average national rate is 16.22 cents

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Good article from CoStar (article is from last November) on Syracuse...

Syracuse

 

[oldpinepoint]

True...5 years ago heat pumps were basically more energy efficient at temps at or above about 32 degrees. They are best suited for more moderate winter weather areas.

I'm not sure if any improvement has been made since then.

I just went through this process with my own home. The heat pump really acted more as the A/C, heat source, till about 32 degrees and then I was still going to need a furnace for backup. I just ended up going with a traditional furnace and AC condenser due to the cost and being in upstate ny. If I had the dough I would have put some type of solar, geothermal combo in. Needless to say the good heat pumps were expensive. The rest were crap from China.