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Do you think Boeheim has a set retirement date that he will stick to?

Do you think Boeheim has a set retirement date that he will stick to?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 8.8%

  • No

    Votes: 208 91.2%
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Sherman20 said:
You’d really have to have big cajones to fire JB after 47 years. Tom Jurich at Louisville had them. He fired the legendary Hall of Famer Denny Crum, who had two national titles, after Crum went 62-62 in his last four seasons there, recruiting was a mess and he wouldn’t upgrade his staff. The situations have some similarities though Crum was still only 65 and Jurich wasn’t a Louisville guy (unlike Wildhack, a Syracuse grad). I think JB also has more support from key folks on the BOT (Tirico, Gold) who would be reluctant to support forcing JB out. The other advantage is that Jurich had Pitino potentially waiting in the wings. He knew he needed to make a move if he wanted to land him.

Some choice nuggets about the Crum firing from these articles:
www.kentuckytoday.com

Jurich's comments on Crum's ouster sparks memories of controversy

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (KT) - When Tom Jurich was hired as the new University of Louisville athletic director on Oct. 21, 1997, to replace the retiring Bill Olsen, the school's football
www.kentuckytoday.com www.kentuckytoday.com
During Jurich's first basketball season as AD, UofL stuggled to a 12-20 record, snapping a string of 52 consecutive winning seasons by the school. The Cards were slightly better the next two years - at 19-11 and 19-12 - but when they finished 12-29 in 2001, missing the NCAA Tournament for the second time in four years on the heels of two first-round defeats, Jurich felt he had to act.

And his role in ending Hall of Fame coach Denny Crum's 30-year career at UofL created a bitter environment that divided the fan base (sound familiar) and lingered for years. There was huge support for Crum -- who is still a beloved figure in the city -- among fans who thought he was receiving shabby treatment from the new hired gun who had no ties to Louisville.

Others agreed with Jurich that Crum had let the program slide, that assistant coaches Scooter McCray and Larry Gay were ineffective and that there was no indication the trend was going to be reversed, especially since Crum strongly rejected any suggestion that he replace McCray and Gay. So Jurich decided Crum had to go.

Jurich told me that having grown up in Southern California, the same as Crum, and having followed his highly-successful career, he was shocked at the condition of the basketball program when he got to UofL.

Behind the scenes, Crum fought for his job and when he finally relented, accepting a $7 million buyout engineered by president John Shumaker and a lucrative job as special assistant to the president, he insisted on saying he had retired. It was common knowledge, however, that he was forced out by Jurich.

Jurich said the Crum matter was the toughest thing he had to deal with in his 20 years as Louisville's AD.

"I think everybody recognized it was time to do it, it's just that nobody wanted to do it," Jurich said. "He was a legend and nobody wants to deal with that. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, 'I can't wait to get rid of a Hall of Fame coach.' It's just very difficult. It was necessary, it was a move we had to make. That was probably the most difficult one. I wish we never would have had to do that."

Proffitt then asked Jurich if he wanted to tell Crum he's sorry.

"No, I don't think there's anything to say sorry about," Jurich replied. "It's just something that needed to happen."

Jurich said he wasn't surprised by the bad feelings toward him that the controversial move caused.

"No, because he's been here so long and he's got a lot of friends. Friends take care of their own friends and I understand that."

www.latimes.com

Crum Finally Faces Music

Coach will resign after completion of 30th season at Louisville, but he won't go out on his terms.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
Last week, internal memos between Crum and Jurich were leaked to an alternative paper in Louisville.

Jurich to Crum: “The thing that is hurting our recruiting is not Tom Jurich, but the performance of our program. . . . To be continually attacked by you for lack of support is appalling.”

Crum to Jurich: “Many of my colleagues have told me that they cannot believe that I have been treated like I have. If they had accomplished one-half of what I have done here, they would be heroes at their school.”
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Great post and analogy.
I remember the Denny Crum mess at Louisville, and how it divided their entire community.
Look, I'm not saying Wildhack can summon JB into his office and give him the boot, but it's time to have a concrete, ahem "discussion" about when this will end, and then...come out and make the announcement.
As bad as the Crum situation was, he wasn't approaching 80 years when it happened. Maybe it's wishful thinking that this can be worked out somewhat gracefully, but I got nothing else.
 
Cuse Action said:
Read the comments on Twitter, he is an embarrassment to SU, basically a laughingstock, JW needs to act but won't.
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I hadn't even thought of the Judah Mintz angle to this. Not looking forward to that game at Pitt.
 
Tango32 said:
But with Jim's lack of filter and polish I actually believe he has the full support of the administration which makes me sad...
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"Full support of the administration" is not as black and white as most here seem to think. My understanding is that there is a difference of opinion among the decision makers. It's a board myth to think that JW has unilateral decision making power with respect to the JB situation. But, JW will be the public face of the decision regardless.
 
007 said:
"Full support of the administration" is not as black and white as most here seem to think. My understanding is that there is a difference of opinion among the decision makers. It's a board myth to think that JW has unilateral decision making power with respect to the JB situation. But, JW will be the public face of the decision regardless.
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Needless to say, JW will be the fall guy no matter how this plays out.
 
What I wonder about is how does this interview even happen? It's midseason, your team is struggling on the court, and you were already in the news with negative articles twice in less than 2 weeks based on what you did off the court. Did JB contact Thamel or did Thamel contact him? Why is JB even conducting this interview at this time of year? It is interesting to get a little into JB's head to see what he's really thinking, but it's sad to see him self-destruct like this.
 
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orangepassion said:
What I wonder about is how does this interview even happen? It's midseason, your team is struggling on the court, and you were already in the news with negative articles twice in less than 2 weeks based on what you did off the court. Did JB contact Thamel or did Thamel contact him? Why is JB even conducting this interview at this time of year? It is interesting to get a little into JB's head to see what he's really thinking, but it's sad to see him self-destruct like this.
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Because "Boeheim and the Syracuse Decline" is now a national topic and JAB is both really insecure about it and thinks he can speak to it effectively, which is obviously not the case.

Whether it's ego, frustration, "Jim just says stuff", or a combination of hefty helpings of all 3, he just can't let it fall to the floor and not respond... He is a PR nightmare on this to be sure.
 
orangepassion said:
What I wonder about is how does this interview even happen? It's midseason, your team is struggling on the court, and you were already in the news with negative articles twice in less than 2 weeks based on what you did off the court. Did JB contact Thamel or did Thamel contact him? Why is JB even conducting this interview at this time of year? It is interesting to get a little into JB's head to see what he's really thinking, but it's sad to see him self-destruct like this.
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Matt Norlander, the CBS college basketball reporter, said that Thamel lives in Boston so he went and covered the game. JB probably couldn’t help himself.

The segment he did on the XM college sports station led with Boeheim and not Purdue getting upset.
 
So which is it going to be? In the football forum, coaches get criticized for not dropping a dime when it comes to tampering but here when someone is named for buying their team, all hell breaks loose.

Duke has bought teams before NIL. Kansas. UNC. Arizona. Memphis. We can go down the list. There's even a school that people here think is clean that bought players. In the era of NIL, if we can't say that someone bought a team then what is the purpose? Miami is one of the biggest offenders out there courtesy of John Ruiz.
 
NYCCuse826 said:
So which is it going to be? In the football forum, coaches get criticized for not dropping a dime when it comes to tampering but here when someone is named for buying their team, all hell breaks loose.

Duke has bought teams before NIL. Kansas. UNC. Arizona. Memphis. We can go down the list. There's even a school that people here think is clean that bought players. In the era of NIL, if we can't say that someone bought a team then what is the purpose? Miami is one of the biggest offenders out there courtesy of John Ruiz.
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If you're going to name teams, maybe name the teams that actually do it and not two teams you are about to play, one of which is the school your star freshman decommitted from.
 
Cuse181 said:
So I’m assuming you purposefully misread my comment. I obviously don’t mean THESE articles will disappear. I meant you won’t see new articles being written.
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Why would NEW articles be written if they are six days old "news", unless he follows up again with some retraction, correction, or double down on something? No one would expect a new article to be penned six days later that's why no one understands whatever your point is.
 
NYCCuse826 said:
So which is it going to be? In the football forum, coaches get criticized for not dropping a dime when it comes to tampering but here when someone is named for buying their team, all hell breaks loose.

Duke has bought teams before NIL. Kansas. UNC. Arizona. Memphis. We can go down the list. There's even a school that people here think is clean that bought players. In the era of NIL, if we can't say that someone bought a team then what is the purpose? Miami is one of the biggest offenders out there courtesy of John Ruiz.
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want in on a secret...


WE ARE CURRENTLY BUYING A TEAM.
 
NYCCuse826 said:
So which is it going to be? In the football forum, coaches get criticized for not dropping a dime when it comes to tampering but here when someone is named for buying their team, all hell breaks loose.

Duke has bought teams before NIL. Kansas. UNC. Arizona. Memphis. We can go down the list. There's even a school that people here think is clean that bought players. In the era of NIL, if we can't say that someone bought a team then what is the purpose? Miami is one of the biggest offenders out there courtesy of John Ruiz.
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Because he mentioned two schools that aren’t doing it?
 
This article is awful and all but in addition did Thanmel press him and ask him any follow up questions at all? The timing of this seems quite weird too.
 
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