Does anyone have the courage to come up with an argument on how next year is better?

[djcon57]

You’re right but he was asked in the presser and he said our best player dropped the ball and didn’t do what he was told. JJ is as inconsistent as Autry and the rest are all following that lead.

Where could JJ foul on the play?

 

[sweetpea]

That's why I try and go for a holdover coach. Let Indiana pay Mike Woodson to coach SU. Yes it's a flawed hire but it's a huge upgrade from Autry.

Why would Mike Woodson want to coach here when he is getting paid for not coaching? It makes about as much sense as bringing in Greenberg to hold Red's hand. When was Greenberg ever a coaching savant.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

You hope for the best. Have to get a great PG and a bouncy C who can defend the rim.

How do you think this season would've played out if we spent our $ on Dakota Leffew instead of dry rub?
It was basically a choice of one or the other. DL is averaging 10,2,2 but hes also facing top 10 teams alot. He was much more productive early on against lesser competition. He would also be used differently here.
Dry Rub has been pretty good really (a nonfactor on Def) but what if we had DL and a C that was known for Def?
Instead of Dry Rub and a PG known for Def?(lol)JC.

Its easy to say give me Dakota and a defensive Center over Dry Rub and Jaquan Carlos. So I will say we probably should have spent on Dakota and spent less for a bouncy Center.
But what would we do without that lemon pepper mixed with cajun seasoning? Young chefs are funny sometimes!lol.
If he dehydrated the lemons and chilis himself and grinded it into a fine powder, mixed it with self grown herbs...That would be somewhat special. However, when you buy mass produced lemon pepper and mix it in a mixer with mass produced cajun seasoning...you have nothing that 13 year old latch key kids dont already do.

 

[OrangePA]

And not 20 wins NIT better...

Better players

 

[SUFan44]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe next year the schools can directly pay the players up to $20 million or so. If Syracuse commits to the $20 million we will be fine. That it does not even include NIL. The amount of money in college sports ridiculous

The $20.5 million revenue sharing number is the maximum schools can distribute. That total is to be spread out through football and all other sports.

If the House settlement goes through, schools will decide on their own how to divide the money up. A lot of schools will choose to distribute primarily to football, men's basketball & women's basketball.

The House settlement's current numbers will likely distribute 75% of the total $2.8 billion 'back pay' to former football players -- and the assumption is, many schools will model their future distribution models according to the numbers the settlement dictates.

Therefore, if Syracuse does decide to distribute the maximum (my guess is the P4 conferences will mandate such), roughly $15.375 million could go to football -- if SU decides to follow the 75% model. They could do more or less. But know that the SEC schools and many others will be doing at least 75%, possibly more.

Of the remaining $5.125 million, I could see men's basketball getting $3.125 million, women's basketball getting $1 million, men's lacrosse getting $750,000 and women's lacrosse getting the remaining $250,000.

Again, this is just conjecture and the House settlement could change a bit based on a number of lawsuits out there. For those that aren't following, there are a lot of female student-athletes or their representatives pushing against the roster limit piece of the House settlement. There are others arguing that Title IX laws must be followed with distribution of the maximum revenue sharing (which would mean more than half of the $20.5 million would go to women's sports).

With the recent change in leadership in Washington, D.C., I would be surprised if the House settlement is altered in a drastic way. But it's worth following.

All this being said, SU -- if it decides to opt in, which it will likely be forced to do to retain membership in the ACC -- will have much more money to play with as it relates to revenue distribution/NIL. Many schools are also folding up their collectives and, now that the payments can come from the school, taking all donations that used to go to those collectives and putting it all in one pot for distribution.

A lot of chaos. A lot of confusion. Hoping the people up on the Hill have a plan.

 

[AlaskaSU]

No one needs to make their own narratives despite all evidence to the contrary quite like you. How long do you need to post here before your realize Dasher Isn’t blowing smoke?

Dasher is your God. Good for you. In the NIL world it is all about the money. It is wishful thinking that we will have the money to compete.

 

[kingtidge]

The $20.5 million revenue sharing number is the maximum schools can distribute. That total is to be spread out through football and all other sports.

If the House settlement goes through, schools will decide on their own how to divide the money up. A lot of schools will choose to distribute primarily to football, men's basketball & women's basketball.

The House settlement's current numbers will likely distribute 75% of the total $2.8 billion 'back pay' to former football players -- and the assumption is, many schools will model their future distribution models according to the numbers the settlement dictates.

Therefore, if Syracuse does decide to distribute the maximum (my guess is the P4 conferences will mandate such), roughly $15.375 million could go to football -- if SU decides to follow the 75% model. They could do more or less. But know that the SEC schools and many others will be doing at least 75%, possibly more.

Of the remaining $5.125 million, I could see men's basketball getting $3.125 million, women's basketball getting $1 million, men's lacrosse getting $750,000 and women's lacrosse getting the remaining $250,000.

Again, this is just conjecture and the House settlement could change a bit based on a number of lawsuits out there. For those that aren't following, there are a lot of female student-athletes or their representatives pushing against the roster limit piece of the House settlement. There are others arguing that Title IX laws must be followed with distribution of the maximum revenue sharing (which would mean more than half of the $20.5 million would go to women's sports).

With the recent change in leadership in Washington, D.C., I would be surprised if the House settlement is altered in a drastic way. But it's worth following.

All this being said, SU -- if it decides to opt in, which it will likely be forced to do to retain membership in the ACC -- will have much more money to play with as it relates to revenue distribution/NIL. Many schools are also folding up their collectives and, now that the payments can come from the school, taking all donations that used to go to those collectives and putting it all in one pot for distribution.

A lot of chaos. A lot of confusion. Hoping the people up on the Hill have a plan.

The elephant in the room question...

What do the big SEC and B1G schools do with the millions they have left in collective money after the $20.5 mil school fund in funded??

What are they allowed to do with the excess?? (which will likely be substantial for a lot of the big dogs.)

 

[SUFan44]

The elephant in the room question...

What do the big SEC and B1G schools do with the millions they have left in collective money after the $20.5 mil school fund in funded??

What are they allowed to do with the excess?? (which will likely be substantial for a lot of the big dogs.)

There are still going to be additional funds from donors that are disbursed - however, all contracts that are put together for NIL purposes will need to be vetted officially by the NCAA/schools.

I’m not sure who is going to be enforcing anything, but theoretically this mandate would hinder those that are simply paying a kid millions of dollars for one appearance and a few autographs.

 

[OttosShoes]

Of the remaining $5.125 million, I could see men's basketball getting $3.125 million, women's basketball getting $1 million, men's lacrosse getting $750,000 and women's lacrosse getting the remaining $250,000.

I'm not sure what it should be, but I would love to see some sort of provision that the revenue split of the $20M be approximately the same as the revenue split of the ticket sales from the sport.

That'd be fair from a sharing POV, and also fair for competition in that it would prevent people from front loading stuff. Imagine a school like Kentucky or UNC saying "OK 2027 we're going to put all $20M in football and load up in the portal. Then 2028 we're going to put all $20M in basketball and get one and dones."

Tanking in pro sports is awful. I would be so disappointed if it becomes a college strategy too to chase championships.

The elephant in the room question...

What do the big SEC and B1G schools do with the millions they have left in collective money after the $20.5 mil school fund in funded??

What are they allowed to do with the excess?? (which will likely be substantial for a lot of the big dogs.)

My impression is that the money from the school is (theoretically) coming from ticket revenue. I'm sure it will be offset by donors elsewhere in the budget, but I don't think it stops any of the current NIL stuff from happening. It just makes it a lot less lucrative.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Dasher is your God. Good for you. In the NIL world it is all about the money. It is wishful thinking that we will have the money to compete.

Lol, There’s people that live here or talk to people within the AD that have a better pulse on things than someone who’s 5000 miles away. By your logic there’s no way Duke should have lost to Clemson last night.

 

[Red2003]

One thing that hit me this morning. How does BC get that 3 off at the end of regulation? Yes it's poor coaching before people hammer me and it's been talked about over and over what should've happened and didn't on the court. But how did we really get to that point.

The way we practice defense must be just so bad right? and to multiply the issue just terrible defenders all over on this roster, learning bad habits from each other some for years now. Yes that means the staff is not coaching but these guys we have come on. I don't even know how to explain it. They play probably 10 mins of decent D a game, 20 mins of inconsistent D, and then 10 mins of playground defense.

At this point I don't even care who is coaching next year or the year after, I just can't take this piss poor defense. They have to get players that can play defense and start there. I don't even care about iso ball and not running plays and the million other offensive problems we have, fix the defense first and then that.

 

[RF2044]

One thing that hit me this morning. How does BC get that 3 off at the end of regulation? Yes it's poor coaching before people hammer me and it's been talked about over and over what should've happened and didn't on the court. But how did we really get to that point.

The way we practice defense must be just so bad right? and to multiply the issue just terrible defenders all over on this roster, learning bad habits from each other some for years now. Yes that means the staff is not coaching but these guys we have come on. I don't even know how to explain it. They play probably 10 mins of decent D a game, 20 mins of inconsistent D, and then 10 mins of playground defense.

At this point I don't even care who is coaching next year or the year after, I just can't take this piss poor defense. They have to get players that can play defense and start there. I don't even care about iso ball and not running plays and the million other offensive problems we have, fix the defense first and then that.

The defense -- lack of effort, lack of intensity, and lack of recognition about what to do / what not to do in key situations is one of the many SIGNIFICANT red flags with this coaching staff.

The players have to execute, but when they practice the wrong things, aren't told what to do in the huddle, and are allowed to get PT without putting forth defensive effort...

 

[Hopkins16]

I’m a Red fan but I must admit that he is the biggest of the many problems with the team. He doesn’t have a system offensively and defensively. You see guys making the same mistakes from early in the season through yesterday’s game. He just doesn’t seem able to motivate guys and get them engaged.

In this age of NIL and the portal, a coach must be able to bring a brand new group of players together each year and prepare them to win. We will never know what a good experienced coach could have done with the team we assembled this year. We can only guess and look at other teams that are constructed head to toe or head to waist with new players. Losing McNamara was huge as he would have helped Bell and others with their shooing issues. Assistant and Associate Coaches Matter.

Red is going to see a year three. So, the next best thing to do is to hire a former veteran respectable head coach and make him the Associate Coach, so that he can work with and teach Red how to coach. It is not a sign of disrespect for Red as we see that even in the NBA, there are many very good former head coaches who are assistant coaches. Just keeping things as is and bringing in “better talent” next year will make little or no difference.

 

[MSOrange]

The defense -- lack of effort, lack of intensity, and lack of recognition about what to do / what not to do in key situations is one of the many SIGNIFICANT red flags with this coaching staff.

The players have to execute, but when they practice the wrong things, aren't told what to do in the huddle, and are allowed to get PT without putting forth defensive effort...

That was my frustration yesterday. I’m not nearly the X-O person that you and others are. But when even I see multiple breakdowns at the end of regulation, that’s not good.

 

[Red2003]

That was my frustration yesterday. I’m not nearly the X-O person that you and others are. But when even I see multiple breakdowns at the end of regulation, that’s not good.

I just think of practice. Carlos running the point is a non threat, 5 foot nothing dribbling around. Cuffe driving into the abyss with no plan. Moore is a freshman. JJ is JJ. Bell is a one trick pony.

So when they’re scrimmaging in practice that must be a mess and I can’t believe they’re learning anything. Sure they’re not being taught anything but the talent theyre up against in practice is a problem too. It’s all excuses I know but I just want to see a real defense next year.

If Autry gives us a defense next year early on I’ll give him some props but if there’s no defense we might as well all jump over to the coaching replacement thread in November.

 

[tptcuse]

I just think of practice. Carlos running the point is a non threat, 5 foot nothing dribbling around. Cuffe driving into the abyss with no plan. Moore is a freshman. JJ is JJ. Bell is a one trick pony.

So when they’re scrimmaging in practice that must be a mess and I can’t believe they’re learning anything. Sure they’re not being taught anything but the talent theyre up against in practice is a problem too. It’s all excuses I know but I just want to see a real defense next year.

If Autry gives us a defense next year early on I’ll give him some props but if there’s no defense we might as well all jump over to the coaching replacement thread in November.

I'm not even sure I fully understood what going "under a screen" was until this season. Now, it's all I see. Maddening defense.

 

[SU94]

I can do that. Now, I haven't seen anything from Red other than high school recruiting but to be fair, I will give it a go. First, while Red and Griff were on the staff during the slide, JB was the coach. And he wanted guys to play his zone. They had to recruit for it. I saw Bell at the Hall of Fame classic and reported back on this site that this kid couldn't stay in front of me and I'm in my 60's. JB didn't care because he could stick him in his zone and he was long. Converting to a man to man defense was going to take time. And with a team of nitwits, we still won 19 games. Then came the portal. Which the school was not prepared for. Just as it wasn't really prepared for NIL. Last year, the coaches were coaching and they were not ready for the portal. Didn't have the money and didn't know who was going to come available. That is different today. I have been told, and this has nothing to do with my efforts regarding AW, that we are doing very well with NIL. And we now have a GM. Klein spends his time doing a couple of things. One, watching kids that will probably be in the portal. And talking to player reps. We know who is going to be in the portal. And have an idea of what they are going to cost. You never know for sure because someone can come up with a stupid money offer but the point is that we are miles ahead of where we were last year at this time. Better players and players that really fit will give us an idea what kind of coach Red is.

I want Red back. I've seen very little to suggest he cannot coach (is he a top 5 in-game HC? No. There are only five of those). His coaching is not severely detrimental to the outcome. This is a flawed team and roster. He has to do more/better. And, yes, he should absolutely be given the opportunity to reset. Why? Because the downside is much greater than the upside. We do not want to be known as a program that turned on a beloved alum after two seasons? Who is coming here after that? Answer: Not as many as all of you think. No one wants this to become Georgetown or to a slightly lesser degree Indiana. And the holier than thou attitude that is so prevalent among the indignant echo chamber on this board, I would argue, actually sets the stage for program failure.

After every loss, I read on this board how "embarrassing" this program is? Could not be further from the truth. This is real life. And sports are tough. Really, about the only P5 program in America that has been immune from a down period is Kansas (and perhaps Arizona). Even Duke and UNC have had seasons or spats of subpar results. The incessant whining and second guessing here is exhausting.

Rather, let's watch and allow Red to grow as a HC and build the program. There actually is a lot to be excited for, especially in the coming year or two. And let's also acknowledge, the ACC is decidedly mediocre at this time, so if we get our own ship righted, a quick rise up the ACC standings is rather realistic. This worm can turn, and the best environment for this to happen is with proper program investment (Wildhack/GM) and ample fan support.

Sling me with all the dislikes and high heeled emojis, but that was the question initially posed. A sub-.500 season does not have to be complete misery. Take stock in/process the wins, and above all, remember that this down moment can provide terrific perspective and actually enhance the elation when we do rise again.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If guys think the reason we are getting blown out 16 times in less than two years is because of talent you are crazy and just deflecting. If you watch the games and think this is a well coached team all we need is more talent then you are crazy and just deflecting.

I think this is the strongest evidence of an issue with Red and the staff's coaching.

Hard to ignore the rapid accumulation of blowout losses.

 

[pwong]

Jim Boeheim asks for patience with Adrian Autry: ‘You have to allow coaches to grow into the job’

Boeheim asked for patience for Adrian Autry and talked about importance of money during an appearance on ESPN Radio Syracuse.

www.syracuse.com

I know JB going to stand up for Red but this should show you guys that what I’ve been saying about having money next year is real.

Everyone is going to get the same rev share cap, it doesn’t make Syracuse significantly richer than the competition. If anything, rev share will just inflate the NIL numbers for players with collectives also needed to go above the school’s allocation for bball.

 

[Red2003]

I think this is the strongest evidence of an issue with Red and the staff's coaching.

Hard to ignore the rapid accumulation of blowout losses.

Those blowouts show a poorly constructed roster that is not bought in to me.

The games like BC, ND, and 1-2 point wins to really bad non-con teams ie Lemoyne are the bigger problem in my opinion.

That highlights the coaching problem because they are just not able to put down much less talented teams.

 

[RF2044]

Those blowouts show a poorly constructed roster that is not bought in to me.

The games like BC, ND, and 1-2 point wins to really bad non-con teams ie Lemoyne are the bigger problem in my opinion.

That highlights the coaching problem because they are just not able to put down much less talented teams.

We play competitively to the worst teams on our schedule, and struggle in many of those games but generally seem to find a way to win [the recent BC game is a good example of this].

And we don't seem to be capable of punching above our weight against better quality opponents. When we play anyone better, we don't just struggle, we often get blown out and play non-competitively.

 

[sufan59]

If guys think the reason we are getting blown out 16 times in less than two years is because of talent you are crazy and just deflecting. If you watch the games and think this is a well coached team all we need is more talent then you are crazy and just deflecting.

We can get all of the top 5 ranked transfers because we have the most money to spend in the portal, but we also lose a lot to the portal. I would feel more confident going into next season retaining as much of this roster as possible with a few transfers because I think Autry needs continuity in his roster to have the best chance of success long term. I think working through the adversity with his guys that he recruited out of High School is the best thing for the program right now. We don’t have the best talent, but we certainly have a roster that a good coach can make a tournament team out of.

 

[gmoney44]

In the same way Dwight Freeney made Pasqualoni a better coach, the combination of these recruits & Freeman & Starling could theoretically make Red a better coach.

So we have a college and pro hall of famer on next years team?

 

[gmoney44]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe next year the schools can directly pay the players up to $20 million or so. If Syracuse commits to the $20 million we will be fine. That it does not even include NIL. The amount of money in college sports ridiculous

The problem is every other team in college has access to the same amount. We will be in the same place next year. Middle of the pack in the weak sauce ACC.

 

[Cheriehoop]

He’s had some bad games, but I don’t think Eddie has been a bust. I think he’s given us exactly what we should have expected, given his 4 year track record.

His numbers are very similar to last season. A smidge less scoring, but a bit better rebounding.

Eddie Lampkin Jr. College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Eddie Lampkin Jr. - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

The issue is that it seems the staff expected a lot more out of Lampkin. And that’s on them.

And it sounds like most posters expected more too. His rebounding numbers are great, 9.3 a game, over 2 rebounds more a game than his best previous year. He stepped up his rebounding with Freeman out of the lineup too and stays out of foul trouble. His scoring, 10 pts per game, is consistent with his previous year, of 10.6 points . He’s second on the team for assists on a team not known for cutting to the basket. Who was our last center to equal almost double digit scoring and rebounding? He’s not a rim protector but he never was, his help defense isn’t great but Eddie isn’t the main cause of this team’s issues.