Future Campus Framework Discussion

[richmondcuse03]

Finally a space for our chancellor to feel at home! I kid (sort of).

 

[Newhouser]

Finally a space for our chancellor to feel at home! I kid (sort of).

Interesting in that they said there is now scholarship athletes on the team. Also falk and newhouse tie in on esports major is interesting, and the broadcast area is nice.
Not sure how SU lasts very long as the top dog in this but good to be first out of the gate. Also heard the 5800 Sq ft costs north of 5 million

 

[walsh2012]

It's very cool and smart that this administration turned down millions of dollars and uniquely eye-grabbing media exposure for football and basketball just to spend roughly the same amount of money they turned down on esports.

I'm glad Kent was watching pre-covid Real Sports segments over the holidays. But if he had paid attention to any reporting on the industry done after the days of toilet paper hoarding and Tiger King, he would know that Americans are not interested in esports. It is niche content with most of its interest generated in international markets.

But in the interest of being good faith, let's concede the argument that, yes, esports interest is projected to rise worldwide.

Sure that's true, but here's something else that's proven to be rising worldwide - the global population. Is the projected esports interest growing at an equal rate? If there are more esports fans coming in the future, are they going to make a larger or smaller percentage of the worldwide population?

Being - in the interest of transparency - on my second drink pregaming for the NFL playoffs, I've rendered myself unable slash aggressively unwilling to run that data. But let's consider a hypothetical where it is. This doesn't really have an affect on Syracuse's positioning.

Here's my first issue, and it goes back to this projected interest rise.

Being on my third drink now and less capable and willing to know this for certain, it feels that - while these numbers account for fans coming in - they ignore the idea that there are people they're including in these projections likely going out.

If you're currently still reading this, congratulations on being old. This is not a put down, as I am becoming older and older everyday, and hope to be older than I currently am everyday.

So as an increasingly older old person, was there a time in your life where you liked video games?

And did a series of events in your life - getting married, having kids, receiving larger work responsibilities, buying a house, obsessively manicuring the lawn of said house, getting really into history channel documentaries on World War 2 - that resulted in you becoming less interested? This is a difficult statistic to quantify, but it's not exactly a stretch to say that people generally age out of video games.

So as I crack open drink five, I'd like to point out how the vast majority of esports' audience is under thirty. The average age of sports fans is much older. And while that report doesn't directly reference college sports, Syracuse has a much larger amount of alumni than current or prospective students. Of course not every fan attended SU, but this statement is true regardless of any school that hasn't opened within the twenty years. Putting all this together, most Syracuse fans are just not interested in esports and that delta doesn't appear to be substantially closing anytime soon.

There is no reason to assume why there would ever be a significant amount of the growing esports fandom to ever have any interest in Syracuse. Its fan base mostly exists in Asian markets. Why would young people in Korea, the Philippines, China, and Japan to watch a stream of Syracuse esports considering the time differential? Unless they roster a team of Pokimanes and Amouranths, they won't.

To wrap this all up, as I finish drink six, I see this as just another example of those bureaucrats outside the athletics department at Syracuse making decisions that show their boneheaded understanding of the college sports landcape. I think it's silly to think there's any signfigant financial viabllity in college esports to make this sort of investment worthwhile.

I can't help but think there was some Lyle Lanley-type figure - dragging a piano into the Chancellor's office and convinvng Kent this would make us the next Brockway, Ogdenville, or North Haverbrook.

My apologies to the brain dead slobs of the board, as I proudly consider myself within your ranks.

But the history of Fab Melo's suspension, the peral clutching of Weitsman, Kent's backing of that ridiclious new college sports league, and now five million into some flashy venture with little to no upside. This agonizgly-long post is concludes with a heavy sigh and a shake of my head as the residue of drink seven pools in a pint glass. This administrators at Syracuse just seem incapable of ever getting sports right.

Thanks for reading.

 

[JRHEETER]

Very cool this administration turned down millions of dollars from a man because he was too famous just to spend money which could go to financially lucrative programs that are behind their opponents in monetary ammunition on a fancy arcade for nerds no one will pay attention to

This isn’t really accurate but okay

Sometimes you need to know the whole story before casting stones about something that you might not fully know

 

[longtimefan]

Very cool this administration turned down millions of dollars from a man because he was too famous just to spend money which could go to financially lucrative programs that are behind their opponents in monetary ammunition on a fancy arcade for nerds no one will pay attention to

I shudder at the idea, but eSports could be a wave of the future. They can be a recruiting tool for the university. And SU is hardly at the vanguard of the trend.

 

[Qbobby]

Very cool this administration turned down millions of dollars from a man because he was too famous just to spend money which could go to financially lucrative programs that are behind their opponents in monetary ammunition on a fancy arcade for nerds no one will pay attention to

 

[walsh2012]

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i'm making a larger edit to this post as i'm way more interested in this topic than i first thought

 

[walsh2012]

This isn’t really accurate but okay

Sometimes you need to know the whole story before casting stones about something that you might not fully know

i'm working on a more detailed answer of this now - as i agree with this criticism.

 

[JRHEETER]

i'm working on a more detailed answer of this now - as i agree with this criticism.

Im more talking about the first part about turning down millions from a certain individual

I agree with assessment of the esports.

 

[Sudano]

Super stupid question but serious one. Why would you pay $80K a year to attend SU to major in playing video games when you can practice all you want for free at home and get really good at them.

 

[Sudano]

Im more talking about the first part about turning down millions from a certain individual

I agree with assessment of the esports.

Who offered them a mil?

 

[walsh2012]

Im more talking about the first part about turning down millions from a certain individual

I agree with assessment of the esports.

yeah, that's a fair to agree to disagree on. but if he had been interested in esports all along, taking the Weistman money could have funded it. and without rehashing that whole debate, i just find this investment frustrating

 

[Qbobby]

Hey, NOBODY could beat me at Atari Track and Field back in the day. Except for the high jump, which was just stupid.

 

[walsh2012]

I shudder at the idea, but eSports could be a wave of the future. They can be a recruiting tool for the university. And SU is hardly at the vanguard of the trend.

i updated my post with more research on it, but there's nothing you can point to that could suggest that it will be anything significant in the context of north american university athletics.

if the school is looking to develop a foothold in Asian markets, then i'd concede that sure, it couldn't hurt

 

[llandz]

I have to laugh at this entire thread. E-sports has been around for many years. SU is way behind the 8 ball on this. My son has been in the video game business for years. I watched e-sports tournaments with him at least 15 years ago. His company at one point made most of the esports games. During COVID he did a lot of work to make the esports games remote.

 

[sutomcat]

Super stupid question but serious one. Why would you pay $80K a year to attend SU to major in playing video games when you can practice all you want for free at home and get really good at them.

I don’t think you understand the Esports curriculum at SU. It looks like it covers every aspect of Esports except actually playing the games.

Those that are interested can learn more here….

Esports Communications and Management B.S.

Syracuse University offers an esports communications and management major in the David B. Falk College of Sports and Human Dynamics.

www.syracuse.edu

 

[NJCuse97]

i updated my post with more research on it, but there's nothing you can point to that could suggest that it will be anything significant in the context of north american university athletics.

if the school is looking to develop a foothold in Asian markets, then i'd concede that sure, it couldn't hurt

SU has already expanded into Asia. I know for one that architecture has a facility in I believe Singapore, and a semester abroad in Tokyo, like Florence, London, NYC at Fisher Center, etc.

Kean University has an entire campus in China. Northeastern has been expanding EVERYWHERE. it’s a relatively “easy” way to grow enrollment as well as improve access, STEM, research, and … rankings.

I realize this is a sports board, but sports is not the mission, nor is it the business model of the university.

 

[Franz69]

It's very cool and smart that this administration turned down millions of dollars and uniquely eye-grabbing media exposure for football and basketball just to spend roughly the same amount of money they turned down on esports.

I'm glad Kent was watching pre-covid Real Sports segments over the holidays. But if he had paid attention to any reporting on the industry done after the days of toilet paper hoarding and Tiger King, he would know that Americans are not interested in esports. It is niche content with most of its interest generated in international markets.

But in the interest of being good faith, let's concede the argument that, yes, esports interest is projected to rise worldwide.

Sure that's true, but here's something else that's proven to be rising worldwide - the global population. Is the projected esports interest growing at an equal rate? If there are more esports fans coming in the future, are they going to make a larger or smaller percentage of the worldwide population?

Being - in the interest of transparency - on my second drink pregaming for the NFL playoffs, I've rendered myself unable slash aggressively unwilling to run that data. But let's consider a hypothetical where it is. This doesn't really have an affect on Syracuse's positioning.

Here's my first issue, and it goes back to this projected interest rise.

Being on my third drink now and less capable and willing to know this for certain, it feels that - while these numbers account for fans coming in - they ignore the idea that there are people they're including in these projections likely going out.

If you're currently still reading this, congratulations on being old. This is not a put down, as I am becoming older and older everyday, and hope to be older than I currently am everyday.

So as an increasingly older old person, was there a time in your life where you liked video games?

And did a series of events in your life - getting married, having kids, receiving larger work responsibilities, buying a house, obsessively manicuring the lawn of said house, getting really into history channel documentaries on World War 2 - that resulted in you becoming less interested? This is a difficult statistic to quantify, but it's not exactly a stretch to say that people generally age out of video games.

So as I crack open drink five, I'd like to point out how the vast majority of esports' audience is under thirty. The average age of sports fans is much older. And while that report doesn't directly reference college sports, Syracuse has a much larger amount of alumni than current or prospective students. Of course not every fan attended SU, but this statement is true regardless of any school that hasn't opened within the twenty years. Putting all this together, most Syracuse fans are just not interested in esports and that delta doesn't appear to be substantially closing anytime soon.

There is no reason to assume why there would ever be a significant amount of the growing esports fandom to ever have any interest in Syracuse. Its fan base mostly exists in Asian markets. Why would young people in Korea, the Philippines, China, and Japan to watch a stream of Syracuse esports considering the time differential? Unless they roster a team of Pokimanes and Amouranths, they won't.

To wrap this all up, as I finish drink six, I see this as just another example of those bureaucrats outside the athletics department at Syracuse making decisions that show their boneheaded understanding of the college sports landcape. I think it's silly to think there's any signfigant financial viabllity in college esports to make this sort of investment worthwhile.

I can't help but think there was some Lyle Lanley-type figure - dragging a piano into the Chancellor's office and convinvng Kent this would make us the next Brockway, Ogdenville, or North Haverbrook.

My apologies to the brain dead slobs of the board, as I proudly consider myself within your ranks.

But the history of Fab Melo's suspension, the peral clutching of Weitsman, Kent's backing of that ridiclious new college sports league, and now five million into some flashy venture with little to no upside. This agonizgly-long post is concludes with a heavy sigh and a shake of my head as the residue of drink seven pools in a pint glass. This administrators at Syracuse just seem incapable of ever getting sports right.

Thanks for reading.

 

[orangemass]

Esports rocking in the orange jerseys. Fran disapproves
Guy in he middle getting huge nil. Far left hitting the portal

 

[Qbobby]

Guy with thumbs up using a cup. Guy to the right of him needs to use two.

 

[NJCuse97]

Esports rocking in the orange jerseys. Fran disapproves
Guy in he middle getting huge nil. Far left hitting the portal
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