Future Campus Framework Presentation...

[NJCuse97]

That is a question for NJCuse97.

See post #732. It is only my guess, but I believe the main reason would be to protect from direct sun/glare/heat gain. It may seem funny, but there is a cartoon of ants under a magnifying glass floating around that has some truth to it. It is not that light would be collected and focused into a "laser" beam to burn people, but the temperature fluctuations brought about by the direct sun and it's position changes can present some pretty difficult HVAC challenges in a large space like a stadium. In addition and probably more importantly, the sun in people's eyes (players in particular) and the shadows created by direct sun can also create all kinds of havoc. Baseball stadiums are always oriented so that the batter faces north so that he can have the best chance to see the 95 mph fastball coming at him for example (also why the centerfield seats are often tarped off with a dark color and the wall markings are black instead of white). This is less a concern in football, and less than that if the field moves east/west as ours does, but if controlling that light makes the LED light show more feasible, allows less A/C expense because of a controlled heat gain, and in general makes the fan experience a more pleasant one in terms of seeing the field and being comfortable, then you do it.

 

[Jake]

I had previously heard 5-7k (10-15%). You've heard more?

Yes.

 

[GoSU96]

I had previously heard 5-7k (10-15%). You've heard more?

Get's you to 44k to 42K.

 

[NJCuse97]

The ETFE is on the southern exposure.

SW facing, you are correct. I am surprised, and don't quite know the why of it now. My new theory is they wanted a more structural material on the north face to better handle the potential for a slower snow melt on the north? I'm grasping at straws. I guess assuming a foil addresses glare, they are good with heat gain and shadows.

 

[FrancoPizza]

prepare for a significant hit to seating capacity.

I think we can accept this for football if they have plans to increase prine seating in tge badjetvall pukkiut sectiob to offser sby reduvtions in basjetvall caoacity.

 

[orange79]

I think we can accept this for football if they have plans to increase prine seating in tge badjetvall pukkiut sectiob to offser sby reduvtions in basjetvall caoacity.

Using your Icelandic keyboard?

 

[cuseguy]

Florida State doing some major renovations at Doak as well.


http://seminolepost.blog.palmbeachp...ox-updates-doak-campbell-stadium-renovations/

 

[MSOrange]

I think we can accept this for football if they have plans to increase prine seating in tge badjetvall pukkiut sectiob to offser sby reduvtions in basjetvall caoacity.

I agree. Well said.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Less than 45,000 would be a mistake.

Why? The seating really wouldn't be needed. If you go down 15% then you have:

Football - 41,850
Basketball - 30,125*

For football can we average more? Sure but it isn't a necessity to have. It is a connivence for non STHs to get to big games. Those aren't the type of people who SU really wants to target. So no loss. For BBall they cap the attendance. They could fit more that 35k currently if they really wanted to. So that 30,125 wouldn't be a max. In addition how often do we really need more than 30k? We are talking 2-3 games a year. If people are worried about a reduced capacity they should get season tickets.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Why? The seating really wouldn't be needed. If you go down 15% then you have:

Football - 41,850
Basketball - 30,125*

For football can we average more? Sure but it isn't a necessity to have. It is a connivence for non STHs to get to big games. Those aren't the type of people who SU really wants to target. So no loss. For BBall they cap the attendance. They could fit more that 35k currently if they really wanted to. So that 30,125 wouldn't be a max. In addition how often do we really need more than 30k? We are talking 2-3 games a year. If people are worried about a reduced capacity they should get season tickets.

I agree for the most part. I'm glad I have my seasons for both and just picked up courtside for women's bball. I'm afraid though if the capacity shrinks then the ticket price will go up, some of us might get priced out if the demand is great. I suppose that's not such a bad thing to have, I'd hate to have to dip into the retirement in order to keep up with the jones

 

[upperdeck]

if demand for bball was bit more then people would have to go the season route.. right now the last 10-15K seats get sold but the best of seats. if those views were better would they sell more seasons and then get a bump in demand too?

 

[GoSU96]

I agree for the most part. I'm glad I have my seasons for both and just picked up courtside for women's bball. I'm afraid though if the capacity shrinks then the ticket price will go up, some of us might get priced out if the demand is great. I suppose that's not such a bad thing to have, I'd hate to have to dip into the retirement in order to keep up with the jones

Say good bye to $99 seasons. Every seat will have license on top of the ticket price.

 

[cuseguy]

Why? The seating really wouldn't be needed. If you go down 15% then you have: Football - 41,850 Basketball - 30,125* For football can we average more? Sure but it isn't a necessity to have. It is a connivence for non STHs to get to big games. Those aren't the type of people who SU really wants to target. So no loss. For BBall they cap the attendance. They could fit more that 35k currently if they really wanted to. So that 30,125 wouldn't be a max. In addition how often do we really need more than 30k? We are talking 2-3 games a year. If people are worried about a reduced capacity they should get season tickets.

More of a perception thing than anything.

It will certainly make it hard to get tickets if we ever get good again in football, especially when Florida State, Clemson or Notre Dame come to town.

By the time this is done, I may be ready to unload my football seasons anyway.

 

[cuseguy]

Say good bye to $99 seasons. Every seat will have license on top of the ticket price.

So they'll lose 8,000 seats and another 5,000 or more season ticket holders.

The Syracuse market won't support higher prices unless the football product is very good -- and I'm not sure about that.

 

[Ish88888]

So they'll lose 8,000 seats and another 5,000 or more season ticket holders.

The Syracuse market won't support higher prices unless the football product is very good -- and I'm not sure about that.

I agree. The 230 million invested can't be reflected too much in the season ticket prices after 10+ years of futility and the core fans sticking with the program. There are other revenue opportunities other than bumping seasons by a few hundred dollars. Also, as a P5 school you have to keep the capacity around 50k. 50k in football is analogous to the new baseball stadiums that seat 35k. Optimizing the value of the ticket and keeping most seats as desirable. Go Cuse!

 

[OrangeXtreme]

FBS schools with stadiums under 50,000:

Northwestern 47,129
Utah 45,807
Oregon St 45,674
Baylor 45,140
TCU 45,000
BC 44,500
Vandy 40,350
Duke 33,941
Washington St 32,740
Wake 31.500

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Say good bye to $99 seasons. Every seat will have license on top of the ticket price.

That would only happen in football if SU was a consistent Top 25 program. There needs to be demand. How many STHs are there? 28k? That is only 70% of a 40k stadium. It would be dumb to chase away STHs when you still need to find a way to fill 30% of the stadium. Especially for the non premium games. Those premium game individual tickets will be priced out of most people's range though. But again that is why you get season tickets.

 

[cuseguy]

FBS schools with stadiums under 50,000: Northwestern 47,129 Utah 45,807 Oregon St 45,674 Baylor 45,140 TCU 45,000 BC 44,500 Vandy 40,350 Duke 33,941 Washington St 32,740 Wake 31.500

So, based on projections for the Dome, SU would be the fifth smallest.

And those other 4 aren't exactly elite.

 

[TheCusian]

Say good bye to $99 seasons. Every seat will have license on top of the ticket price.

For the better product on the field and the new amenities? Worth it.

 

[Moontan]

FBS schools with stadiums under 50,000:

Northwestern 47,129
Utah 45,807
Oregon St 45,674
Baylor 45,140
TCU 45,000
BC 44,500
Vandy 40,350
Duke 33,941
Washington St 32,740
Wake 31.500

Duke is now at 40,000 following their renovation.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

FBS schools with stadiums under 50,000:

Northwestern 47,129
Utah 45,807
Oregon St 45,674
Baylor 45,140
TCU 45,000
BC 44,500
Vandy 40,350
Duke 33,941
Washington St 32,740
Wake 31.500

Even if we drop to 40k capacity, we will still average more per game than seven P5 schools. No one would notice a difference nationally.

 

[GoSU96]

So they'll lose 8,000 seats and another 5,000 or more season ticket holders.

The Syracuse market won't support higher prices unless the football product is very good -- and I'm not sure about that.

They are going to need to generate a lot more revenue per seat to pay for this.

The $200M identified for the Dome is twice as much as UConn spent on the Rent. Stanford spent a about the same as UConn on a refurb that took it down to the studs and went from 85.5K to 50K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Stadium

"The capacity of the new stadium was set to be approximately 50,000 seats made by Ducharme Seating. The reduction in capacity was a strategic decision by Stanford's Athletics Program to boost season ticket sales and create a more intimate playing atmosphere without sacrificing the ability to host large world-class events, such as the FIFA World Cup in the future."

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So, based on projections for the Dome, SU would be the fifth smallest.

And those other 4 aren't exactly elite.

We would be going from 11th to 5th. Those other 10 aren't exactly elite.

 

[FrancoPizza]

FBS schools with stadiums under 50,000:

Northwestern 47,129
Utah 45,807
Oregon St 45,674
Baylor 45,140
TCU 45,000
BC 44,500
Vandy 40,350
Duke 33,941
Washington St 32,740
Wake 31.500

This is exactly my point. Those of you clamoring for 44k forget that puts us with the likes of BC and Vandy. Small time. Baylor is probably the only exception because their facility is right by the harbor in a tropical locale.

 

[cuseguy]

We would be going from 11th to 5th. Those other 10 aren't exactly elite.

You're right.

Not many of them are elite.

Kids are impressed by big stadiums and big crowds.

Hopefully the renovation will make the new dome/stadium appealing enough to attract recruits the way the new Dome did.