Game 3 Depth Chart / Game Notes | Purdue

[Trueblue25]

Im very OK with our lighter DL considering home Barron and Carter are used in this defense to bolster Jones and Wax.

 

[sutomcat]

No, that’s not the style. More like a 11 set that will look to freeze the second level with a handoff out of the shotgun. Oconnell is better he wrong guy to try to bring heat against. He sees it and excels at getting it to a spot where the defenders come from.

It’s more like being content to get 5 yards a carry off of an ace back handoff, clearing out the outside and crossing receivers into the intermediate areas.

My point is that Purdue can go 3-4 wide and still establish the run in this game. A luxury they rarely have in the big ten.

Your NT being smaller and moving better isn’t relevant. Purdue’s OL probably moves better than any in the big ten. Gus Hartwig can take a 270 lb guy all day and be looking for someone at the next level.

Confused why you are so enthusiastic about the Purdue OL and its ability to block.

Purdue hasn't had an RB get more than 533 yards in a season for 3 years. Their RBs struggle to average even 4 ypc.

Syracuse had a really good defense against the run last year and continues to be good at this.

Do you really think Purdue of all teams, is going to have great success running the ball? It looks to me like Purdue is very one dimensional on offense.

 

[Trueblue25]

See that’s where we differ. Purdue will have to play well to hold Shrader to a decent day.

Purdue does well against big time backs. Kenneth Walker. Go ask Boston college about Dillon in west Lafayette. Purdue is going to play the run honest and then have to come up with an answer on how to get to shrader, because Clifford was comfortable all day.

Shrader can play. Purdue’s secondary of trice, Allen, kane, Jefferson and Taylor/brown ain’t bad either.

Purdue has a stout DL and wil commit the mlb to the run.

Something to keep in mind, Kenneth Walker and AJ Dillon were not threats in their respective passing games. Tucker is.

Also, neither of those guys had a QB run threat alongside them.

 

[007]

No, that’s not the style. More like a 11 set that will look to freeze the second level with a handoff out of the shotgun. Oconnell is better he wrong guy to try to bring heat against. He sees it and excels at getting it to a spot where the defenders come from.

It’s more like being content to get 5 yards a carry off of an ace back handoff, clearing out the outside and crossing receivers into the intermediate areas.

My point is that Purdue can go 3-4 wide and still establish the run in this game. A luxury they rarely have in the big ten.

Your NT being smaller and moving better isn’t relevant. Purdue’s OL probably moves better than any in the big ten. Gus Hartwig can take a 270 lb guy all day and be looking for someone at the next level.

Your last several posts sound more like you are trying to convince yourself of how this game will likely play out. Especially compared to your initial series of posts on this board.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong in how you think this game will play out. You've made several good points, despite the recently more defensive posture. I'm positive that both staffs are having similar, more sophisticated conversations about many of the very same things being argued about here.

The banter is fun but meaningless. Given the point spread, this game will likely come down to who has the better game plan, makes the better in game adjustments, how well the players execute, turnovers, and luck. I think Purdue is good and will be a great measuring stick for how much Syracuse has improved.

Good luck Saturday.

 

[boilerD]

Well yes, all defenses must pick their poison based on the system they run and the talent at different levels (e.g. small DL, strong LBs, excellent CBs).

You seem to think that the size of our DL automatically forces us to put 8 in the box - against a pass heavy team that abandons the run.

Maybe Purdue establishes enough of a run game to make your prediction come true. Maybe it won't need to based on your QB's decision making and accuracy.

Our defense was 28th against the run and 26th against the pass last year (avg yards/game) but lacked a supporting offense (ranked 92).

Our small defensive line will hold up just fine with our newly functional offense.

Your second paragraph is where you’re losing it. It’s a pass heavy team that doesn’t run well against big explosive big ten DLs cause the OL can’t get a push. In this game the ability to get a push will be there.

So.. out of an offense that is multiple in terms of running and stressing the whole field passing.. I think you’ll see Purdue consistently chip away with 5+ yard carries up the middle out of an ace set with all kinds of routes crossing.

Brohm has averaged 130 rushing a game for a season at Purdue…

 

[ForCuseSake]

Your second paragraph is where you’re losing it. It’s a pass heavy team that doesn’t run well against big explosive big ten DLs cause the OL can’t get a push. In this game the ability to get a push will be there.

So.. out of an offense that is multiple in terms of running and stressing the whole field passing.. I think you’ll see Purdue consistently chip away with 5+ yard carries up the middle out of an ace set with all kinds of routes crossing.

Brohm has averaged 130 rushing a game for a season at Purdue…

So I'm (and others are) right...

You've looked at the size of our defensive line and believe it will enable your offense to effectively run the ball.

 

[djorange1989]

Louisville has a big and veteran offensive line plus a QB who runs as well as any in the country. Our small D-line did just fine

 

[boilerD]

Something to keep in mind, Kenneth Walker and AJ Dillon were not threats in their respective passing games. Tucker is.

Also, neither of those guys had a QB run threat alongside them.

see I’m not you guys. I think shrader will stress us in the run game and that your back will make a couple big catches.

Purdue run a 4-2-5 that’s very fast at the second level and plays tight coverage to get aggressive. They’ll play the run hard and then struggle to get to Shrader with a four man pass rush. Syracuse should have success on offense. There’s just nothing that’s as glaring as your DL on our defense.

If Purdue isn’t careful Syracuse will score 42 instead of 27 like I predict

 

[Trueblue25]

Im ok if Purdue spends time trying to establish the run game. Hopefully Wax and Jones can cause a couple more fumbles.

 

[boilerD]

So I (and others) are right...

You've looked at the size of our defensive line and believe it will enable your offense to effectively run the ball.

Yes, with very little commitment.. .. or to bring defenders up and hit medium crossers.

Saying otherwise would be like me saying Jack Sullivan and kydran Jenkins can rush the passer. They can’t lol. But I don’t wish like you guys so that’s fine

 

[boilerD]

Im ok if Purdue spends time trying to establish the run game. Hopefully Wax and Jones can cause a couple more fumbles.

so if you were brohm you’d do what? Try to attack your corners deep? Or is this where you tell me nothing will ever work against you guys lol

 

[Trueblue25]

so if you were brohm you’d do what? Try to attack your corners deep? Or is this where you tell me nothing will ever work against you guys lol

Personally I’d attack the middle as you said. Our defense is great and laden with pro talent. We just humiliated a heisman candidate in the dome, so no ones blowing smoke at you.

I’d avoid the sidelines and get the ball out of the qb’s hands fast.

 

[UpstateSM]

I was going to enjoy this win regardless but the 10 minutes I just spent laughing at this is going to make my Saturday night even sweeter

I bet the threads on the St. Peters' message board looked just like this on March 24th!

 

[money3189]

Yes, with very little commitment.. .. or to bring defenders up and hit medium crossers.

Very casual fan. Looking at weights and determining how things with play out. There's a lot more to the game than height and weights. You act like Acc O lines all weigh 200 pounds and SU never seen a O line like purdue's.

 

[boilerD]

Louisville has a big and veteran offensive line plus a QB who runs as well as any in the country. Our small D-line did just fine

You said runs as well as any in the country. Ours can stress the whole field passing.. with throws that hit receivers in the Chest on the run. That’s a lot better than a guy who runs well. 3712 despite only starting 9 games vs 2700 in 13. But I think Saturday is gonna be fun lol

 

[boilerD]

Very casual fan. Looking at weights and determinating of how things with play out. There's a lot more to the game than height and weights. You act like Acc O lines all weigh 200 pounds and SU never seen a O line like purdue's.

Again, PSUs DL is very explosive.. so this idea that “yeah, but they are explosive” isn’t really persuasive. 6’4” 321 and explosive

 

[suorange08]

Very casual fan. Looking at weights and determinating of how things with play out. There's a lot more to the game than height and weights. You act like Acc O lines all weigh 200 pounds and SU never seen a O line like purdue's.

Exactly. They had 88 rushing yards total on 33 attempts against Oregon State last year, which makes it funnier that he thinks "very little commitment" will yield 5+ ypc.

They have a good offense and will move the ball. It will take more than "very little commitment" though.

 

[boilerD]

Personally I’d attack the middle as you said. Our defense is great and laden with pro talent. We just humiliated a heisman candidate in the dome, so no ones blowing smoke at you.

I’d avoid the sidelines and get the ball out of the qb’s hands fast.

I think Louisville has a lot of problems. Their fans want their coach fired whether brohm comes or not. We don’t

 

[rrlbees]

So you’re saying Brown didn’t lead the nation in interceptions? What are your safeties credentials?

You’re all over the place.

 

[boilerD]

Exactly. They had 88 rushing yards total on 33 attempts against Oregon State last year, which makes it funnier that he thinks "very little commitment" will yield 5+ ypc.

They have a good offense and will move the ball. It will take more than "very little commitment" though.

The OL wasn’t nearly as physical last year as this year. Oregon state was bigger and oh yeah.. Jack plummer started lol. Yes, if Jack plummer was Purdue’s starter we’d lose by 10..

 

[djorange1989]

You said runs as well as any in the country. Ours can stress the whole field passing.. with throws that hit receivers in the Chest on the run. That’s a lot better than a guy who runs well. 3712 despite only starting 9 games vs 2700 in 13. But I think Saturday is gonna be fun lol

O'Connell is terrific, my point was that Cunningham can run, he has good RBs around him, and has a veteran and big OL, and our undersized DL was just fine in terms of both stopping the run and getting heat on a very mobile QB.

 

[rrlbees]

Did SU play Oconnell lol? Do you guys even know he was 3rd rated passer in America last year in the regular season behind stroud and young? You appear to only know when you have a good player …

He was 9th last year according to PFF. And we just faced Cunningham who was rated higher than O’Connell last year as an offensive player (passing and running).

 

[boilerD]

O'Connell is terrific, my point was that Cunningham can run, he has good RBs around him, and has a veteran and big OL, and our undersized DL was just fine in terms of both stopping the run and getting heat on a very mobile QB.

Everything is either or. If he’s a one to two read guy then you can sit defenders right by the OL and bring the noise.

 

[boilerD]

He was 9th last year according to PFF. And we just faced Cunningham who was rated higher than O’Connell last year as an offensive player (passing and running).

Coming out of the regular season he was third in QBr. He’s not going to have a problem identifiying blitzers and hitting receivers in stride. If he does, I’ll admit it

 

[ForCuseSake]

Yes, with very little commitment.. .. or to bring defenders up and hit medium crossers.

Saying otherwise would be like me saying Jack Sullivan and kydran Jenkins can rush the passer. They can’t lol. But I don’t wish like you guys so that’s fine

I'll take you're word for it since I have no idea who Jack Sullivan and kydran Jenkins are.

I think it's great that you're offering roster due diligence and hard analysis while we're "wishing."

That would be like me reading a bio about your QB and thinking he sucks because he's been in college for 6 years and he's married.

Please, do continue dropping "facts."