Girard needs to come off bench

[raf4488]

Maybe I’m optimistic but I think JB will absolutely have KR running the point for the majority of the BC game. Joe was frequently playing off the ball tonight for good reason, and we all know who the off ball guard is going to be on Saturday. JB sees what we all see.

 

[Gotothehole]

Not starting is what this thread is about, not transferring

It should be some here said he was light years ahead of the players he replaced

 

[AngryOtto]

Girard isn’t going anywhere

Unfortunately I agree. He was really off tonight. Woody would have been a better option. Richmond is better at point right now. Let girard come off the bench until he gets his shot back. He doesn’t need 30 to 35 min. He could do great with 20 to 25.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I’ll repeat, not counting tonight’s numbers, for his career, he is:

<35% FG, <45% TS, <50% eFG

those numbers went down after tonight.

he is a wildly inefficient player who has a hot hand once in a great while and who should not be playing point guard.

this is fully ignoring his defense.

You sold me awhile ago.

I keep coming back to the fact he finished at Glens Falls. Players at this level don’t do that. He was a volume scorer at a low high school level.

 

[Sherman20]

Unfortunately a three point specialist that is 32% from behind the arc for his college career. Painful to watch him casually launch those 25 footers.

What I wouldn’t give for a third guard like Scoop. Girard makes Scoop look like Steph Curry.

Eh, we had zero option other than JGIII at pg last year and .324 for a true frosh who's logging huge minutes and functioning as the primary ball-handler isn't bad. The bigger issue for me is the hustle/activity/quickness piece that we haven't seen this year. I think ultimately he can shoot but it's tough to shoot 40% in this offense, especially as the PG, b/c we don't create looks for these guys. At the end of the day, regardless, really rough start on both ends for Girard.

Why won’t JB hire an offensive guru? Our offense has been stale and predictable for years now. Beilein hired a defensive guru at Michigan to compensate for his lack of acumen on that end of the court and it paid huge dividends his last two years there. Of course Beilein was humble enough to acknowledge his deficiency on that side.

 

[billsin01]

What I’m wouldn’t give for a third guard like Scoop. Girard makes Scoop look like Steph Curry.

Why won’t Jb hire an offensive guru? Our offense has been stale for years now. Beilein hired a defensive guru at Michigan to compensate for his lack of acumen on that end of the court and it paid huge dividends. Of course Beilein was humble enough to acknowledge his deficiency on that side.

I don't think anyone is going to accuse JB of being overly humble, that is for sure. Although admittedly I kind of like it. But I do agree on the offensive end. We lack imagination. girard is a piece that at another school would torture us. I think Kadary has played his way into a ton of minutes regardless and that will actually help with Buddy back. We shall see. On the scoop thing, I always thought he was unfairly maligned here. Kid was a really good player.

 

[kcsu]

Its obvious that Joe is a situational player at this level of competition. He just doesn't have the physical ability to ever be more than that.
If you are going to play lead guard at the highest level of college basketball at 6'1 you need to be a special player. Johnny Flynn, Sherman, Ennis special. Joe has one and only one elite skill which is shooting the ball. His handle is average. His vision average. His speed is below average. His vertical is non existent. He is at best a 6 foot guard with one strong skill. He is one dimensional.
When his best skill, shooting is off he becomes a liability. Joe cant make up for poor shooting via his passing,rebounding, or defense.
Unless he is hot he shouldn't play. Its that simple.

 

[OrangeDW]

It should be some here said he was light years ahead of the players he replaced

Go root for Rhode Island, good God.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[OrangeDW]

Yes! I feel better now. Kadary’s getting the spot.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[CuseFaninVT]

BECAUSE HE DOESN’T CARE! AND YOU DON’T HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE!

 

[OrangeDW]

That’s good! Yes! I’m liking all this. I agree, not 37. Yet! But he should be able to handle 30!

 

[STEVEHOLT]

3pt specialist at best. He is a liability on D and doesn’t hustle. Looks out of shape a little too. Not trying to be mean but just stating the facts. Even his dribbling has issues

can you show me where on his resume at this level he's shown he can actually shoot? he's a career 32 percent 3 point shooter...you can find those on the street..

 

[ORRange]

Before the season began I had some discussion here many times that I thought Kadary was way better than Joe. Also, others said Joe would play 35 minutes a game. I said if that happened I would stop watching after 44 years. Well the ball is in JB's court. Joe has to come off the bench and his time should be drastically reduced when Buddy comes back. I can't watch this anymore. JG should have sat tonight and Woody should have replaced him. I dont understand the thought process.

 

[samspann1]

But you still played him almost the entire 2nd half, coach.

Any thoughts on his offense?

 

[OrangeDW]

But you still played him almost the entire 2nd half, coach.

Any thoughts on his offense?

I know that Woody isn’t really a 2. But...i Don’t think there’s much question that he’d defend better, even up top.

And he hasn’t shown that he’d do anything dumb on offense.

Couldnt we have just put the ball in Kadary’s hands, and ran Woody at the 2? Joe could’ve spelled Kadary at the point for a bit - Kadary was clearly gassed after his steal and dunk - he was sucking wind big time during that TO.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Girard taking bad shots is hopefully relatively simple to fix, if he just figured out that he should stop.

The bigger worry is the defense.

Rutgers killed him a bunch of times by running Ron "Yes, my dad is that Ron Harper" Harper Jr. to shade over to his end of the court, then they ran some simple action to suck Girard over just a little bit, and Girard couldn't recover quickly enough, and even if he got close, Harper was shooting right over him anyway.

I don't think that kind of thing is getting fixed by the beefier Girard. Not every team will have a guy as hot as Harper was, but that's a shot that's pretty much always available when Girard is out there.

 

[NorSyr66]

What we all need to do is settle down. JB has recognized what has been said over and over in this thread at least a 100 times. Let's stop beating the drum on Joe. He is playing bad, Joe knows, JB knows it, which is causing him to press and the last thing we need to do is drive him out of Syracuse after the 4th game of the season when we are down to only 1 guard on the bench. Richmond has definitely shown everyone he can play at this level. He may be a bit out of shape and he will make freshman mistakes and have an off night but he will play. JB has always had a warm spot for players that have delivered for him in the past. JB wants to win and will make the appropriate changes.

 

[Sherman20]

I hope this isn’t like 2016-17 when JB waited too long into the season to hand the PG keys to Gillon (over Frank, who had been his designated starting PG) and that slow decision may have cost us too many non-conference games and eventually led to us not getting an NCAA tourney bid.

 

[Cuse9292]

The dynamic of our offense makes no sense given the personnel. We always recruited for the zone and suffered at times talent wise offensively. Now you take Buddy which obviously is very different by itself because although he lacks ACC type athleticism he's a catch and shoot guy with some size and has developed into a nice college player. You coupled that with Joe Girard though? If he was Buddys height maybe I'd see it but he doesn't make his teammates better, he's terrible defensively, and his handles are laughable for someone that NEEDS handles at his height and speed, he can find the corner at times after rare dribble penetration but I don't even know why teams bother to help, make him finish at the rim, he won't. Those two at the top of the zone goes against Syracuse Basketball defensive principles. Kadary obviously has nice vision but man oh man are we one dimensional, as teams get more tape you know Kadary wants to pass it, solid handles but definitely gets sped up at times, and then he settles for that 3 late when he hasn't shot much? The main point here is what in the world are we identifying out there? I feel most of the our guys play with preset notions and don't feel the game out, for example when Quincy is in rhythm shooting and he decided to drive instead of the wide open corner 3 and he stepped on the line, and if he didn't he was going straight to the bucket which is obviously great in most situations but say the defense rotates well he's either drawing a foul or looking silly and starting a break the other way. I love his development but I just use it to present the point we are very predictable within the teams individual skill sets and when each individuals primary skill set isn't working they aren't providing much to the team. It's fine to have a few guys like this, every team has them but when there are multiple evident problems with each starter that doesn't bode well. I find it insane we haven't had an anchor in the middle of that zone in quite some time.

 

[4evaOrange]

I didn’t get to watch all of the game caught a decent amount but there are issues and we can look back at the last season and pick from that as well but between losing Hughes who demanded attention and helped space the floor and who could also handle the ball.
Also down buddy who spaced the floor as well to help get people open.
Covid having a bunch of the problems regarding practice and chemistry, conditioning, and overall developing all around game.
There’s also another thing, that may be affecting him as well. Covid does affect mental health, emotional health and obviously physical health.
for instance.
I busted my ass at the gym for a good solid year lost close to 100 pounds, covid hits and boom gyms close and I wanted to workout outside but didn’t cause I never wanted to risk getting sick ( I work with children) and if I got sick I’m done.
Then gained all that weight back.
It also affects mental health in the sense you aren’t doing what you usually do with friend and family and as much as it may not affect you it may affect someone else.

Again this is all just me pointing stuff out.
Take it or leave it.

 

[oTTo113445]

I think the argument atm is more, should Woody/Ajax split another 8-15 of Girards minutes.

One thing were not factoring is how many more points our defense gives up with Girard up top when comparing him to Woody the last three. Woody's net points are double on top of that. Give me Woody's three that was half way down today, and the one that he short rimmed over any of Girard's other 5 misses today. How many transitions are taken away because of length, extra sprint, and verticle height to the rim? On the other hand Girard had 6 of our 16 assists today.

The other thing is, will Dolezaj pick up 3 fouls at center that he might not pick up anywhere else on the floor? Is Ajax for a 10 minute stretch in the first half really that much worse than Girard offensively while rotating Woody, Dolezaj, Guerrier and Griff. Dolezaj had 1 rebound every 9 minutes today, and Our defensive rotation was atrocious for 75% of the game, and he is our best rotator. For playing our best five for the first 10 minutes, we had 10 points today.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I think the argument atm is more, should Woody/Ajax split another 8-15 of Girards minutes.

One thing were not factoring is how many more points our defense gives up with Girard up top when comparing him to Woody the last three. Woody's net points are double on top of that. Give me Woody's three that was half way down today, and the one that he short rimmed over any of Girard's other 5 misses today. How many transitions are taken away because of length, extra sprint, and verticle height to the rim? On the other hand Girard had 6 of our 16 assists today.

The other thing is, will Dolezaj pick up 3 fouls at center that he might not pick up anywhere else on the floor? Is Ajax for a 10 minute stretch in the first half really that much worse than Girard offensively while rotating Woody, Dolezaj, Guerrier and Griff. Dolezaj had 1 rebound every 9 minutes today, and Our defensive rotation was atrocious for 75% of the game, and he is our best rotator. For playing our best five for the first 10 minutes, we had 10 points today.

The unwillingness to put another body in the 5 in the second half is maddening. Develop the freaking players. today they sold out to win and still got beat by ten and no minutes for the young bigs in the second half. its not going to ever change so i should just