Gotta say Kaiser is right about the CFB playoffs the Big XII is in trouble

[Briancuse]

The first and main premise I don't agree with is the notion that a one loss ND can't get in over a one loss P5 team. I don't think I will have to wait long to be proven right IF ND beats Stanford.

Notre Dame's schedule is terrible, not sure that it will happen this year.

 

[bpo57]

I'm not totally sure. It's hard to find that info. But as far as I can tell, teams with TV deals get the money when they play on that network or family of networks. That's TV money.

Getting into things like Syracuse vs ND at MetLife? No idea how much each team actually walked away with from the stadium.

Yeah it sure didn't all go to SU. If networks don't have to pay ND to show their games then that's a helluva deal for them.

 

[bpo57]

Notre Dame's schedule is terrible, not sure that it will happen this year.

I am. Which one loss team would climb over them?

Four games against teams in the top 22 (three of them on the road). Not the toughest schedule but a long way from being terrible.

 

[bpo57]

They won't unless it's a B12 team. That one extra game vs one of the best teams in your conference does them in every time. 12-1 > 11-1.

That's been my point all along. They're getting in if they win out and nobody in the B12 goes undefeated. Btw who is to say Bama doesn't lose another game or that OSU doesn't lose to Michigan or Michigan State? Hell ND has been ranked ahead of a few undefeated teams already.

 

[sabach]

Yeah it sure didn't all go to SU. If networks don't have to pay ND to show their games then that's a helluva deal for them.

The contract is with the conference for that conference's home games. ND has its own "conference" deal with NBC for its home games. The ACC gets more money in its contract with ABC because they can guarantee ABC will get ND away ACC games (Clemson, Virginia and Pitt this year which were all national broadcasts). This is one of the advantages the ACC gets with its scheduling deal with ND.

 

[Briancuse]

I am. Which one loss team would climb over them?

Four games against teams in the top 22 (three of them on the road). Not the toughest schedule but a long way from being terrible.

If Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio st run the table, all three will be in. Baylor Or Oklahoma st will jump them. If Lsu run the table, they could jump them.

 

[Briancuse]

I don't think its going to matter, I don't think they beat Stanford.

 

[bpo57]

If Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio st run the table, all three will be in. Baylor Or Oklahoma st will jump them. If Lsu run the table, they could jump them.

LSU took a beatdown the other night. They're done. If Baylor or Ok St lose one game then they're done. Both of their schedules suck.

 

[sabach]

If Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio st run the table, all three will be in. Baylor Or Oklahoma st will jump them. If Lsu run the table, they could jump them.

An undefeated Baylor or Ok State will jump them. LSU will not even if they run the table. ND is ahead of LSU now and if ND beats Stanford, it will keep them ahead of LSU even if the Tigers win out.

 

[bpo57]

I don't think its going to matter, I don't think they beat Stanford.

That's not the point. Nobody here has predicted they would beat Stanford. The argument has been about what would happen IF they did beat Stanford.

 

[sabach]

I don't think its going to matter, I don't think they beat Stanford.

ND is obviously done for the playoffs if they lose to Stanford.

 

[KaiserUEO]

The only guy looking like an arse is the clown that said ND is "out of the picture."

First you said you wouldn't bet because you feared not getting paid. I offered a simple solution to that and you still wouldn't do it. Then you said you wouldn't bet because you didn't care whether ND made the F4. Damn for a guy that doesn't care you sure spout off about it a lot. That's fine. Whatever.

Fine.

ATTENTION EVERYONE: BPO57 is the 1 guy on here who pays his bets and YES, I will still not bet him. Sorry but this one, as well as the over 1000 random internet fan board debates that I partake in each year...means nothing to me.

Tell you what, I'll just send you $100, you can claim victory and then please knock off this bet distraction so the rest of us can continue to slam nd's ancient and useless independent arrogance that will cost them future championships unless we go to 8 teams.

 

[bpo57]

Fine.

ATTENTION EVERYONE: BPO57 is the 1 guy on here who pays his bets and YES, I will still not bet him. Sorry but this one, as well as the over 1000 random internet fan board debates that I partake in each year...means nothing to me.

Tell you what, I'll just send you $100, you can claim victory and then please knock off this bet distraction so the rest of us can continue to slam nd's ancient and useless independent arrogance that will cost them future championships unless we go to 8 teams.

Sounds like a plan. Send the $100 to Bloviators Anonymous, a recent charity established in your honor.

 

[Briancuse]

LSU took a beatdown the other night. They're done. If Baylor or Ok St lose one game then they're done. Both of their schedules suck.

They probably won't get there, but they have just as much of a case as Nd. I don't see Baylor and Okla st both losing, one of them will win out, and I think they jump Nd.

 

[bpo57]

They probably won't get there, but they have just as much of a case as Nd. I don't see Baylor and Okla st both losing, one of them will win out, and I think they jump Nd.

OU is better than both of them. LSU may be the most overrated team in the country. One dimensional on offense. SU's 5th string QB did some good business against their defense.

 

[kirbivore]

The ONLY reason Clemson is #1 and will stay #1 if they win out is so they can justify ND being #4 (If ND wins out) when all is said and done as with Clemson being #1 helps ND look stronger.

If ND wins out they are in. Period. The committee wants $$$$. Plus having the semi-finals on the worst possible night imaginable (New Years Eve) they need ND to bring some ratings to games that will struggle to get ratings on that night. ND has 3 games left, WF and BC are gimmies. Then @ Stanford. If they beat Stanford they are in I don't care what anyone else does.

I got a big problem with Alabama being in. Alabama lost at HOME to Ole Miss. The same Ole Miss that lost to Memphis by 2 TD's!! I know they are in the SEC, but you can't justify Alabama being in over possibly a 2nd Big 10 team (ie Mich St who got screwed) OR a Big 12 team that is unbeaten.

RE: Alabama the committee set the precedent last year when tOSU university got in with a home loss to an unranked team. I said from day one of the this season Alabama has to lose twice to get left out.

 

[TerryD]

It's not just money. That's the difference. The money gap is not what it once was.

It's about doing all you can do to put yourself in a position to win the championship. You play to win the game. Syracuse did both money and the path got easier. ND is giving themselves a harder route in favor of money and one OOC game.

It is not about money. ND makes less TV money as an independent than Purdue makes as a Big Ten member. IF ND wanted to maximize its money, it would have joined the Big Ten.

 

[TerryD]

I only care in that I'd love to see them in the ACC. It benefits everyone (would the money even out? Probably).

But I do like to needle ND fans. It has to bother them. And if they get left out this year at 11-1, there will be unhappy ND fans.

Not me. I am one of those guys that says "Oh well, so it goes" if ND doesn't make the playoffs this year at 11-1. Go 12-0 next year and get in. No reason to join a conference, sorry.

 

[TerryD]

To be fair they hate the Big Ten more than anybody. I don't like ND's arrogance but they accept that they need to be undefeated or else. I don't like ND because of the lack of respect they showed Syracuse Football. They will give Temple a home/home but won't Syracuse.

...at a pro stadium in a major Eastern city. It perfectly fit the bill for ND's scheduling needs to play Temple at Lincoln Financial.

 

[TerryD]

ND's case at one loss is really tricky every year. This year they have a shot because they happen to play Stanford who is in direct competition for the same spot. Won't always happen like that.

Well, ND plays at Stanford or at Southern Cal as their last game every year. I think that the odds are good that either team will be ranked pretty high in the future.

 

[TheCusian]

Not me. I am one of those guys that says "Oh well, so it goes" if ND doesn't make the playoffs this year at 11-1. Go 12-0 next year and get in. No reason to join a conference, sorry.

Sounds good man. Hope your players and younger fans feel the same way.

 

[TheCusian]

Well, ND plays at Stanford or at Southern Cal as their last game every year. I think that the odds are good that either team will be ranked pretty high in the future.

Lots of things have to go right to get a shot. In 4 of the last 6 seasons you would have been shut out of a space based solely on there being more 12-1 or 13-0 teams above you. In the remaining 2 you'd be battling it out with the Big12 for that spot at 11-1. SOS is a crap shoot.

Combine those odds with ND only losing 1 or going undefeated in any given year? (2 times in 12 years)... Hope you gotta lot of luck stored up.

 

[bpo57]

Lots of things have to go right to get a shot. In 4 of the last 6 seasons you would have been shut out of a space based solely on there being more 12-1 or 13-0 teams above you. In the remaining 2 you'd be battling it out with the Big12 for that spot at 11-1. SOS is a crap shoot.

Combine those odds with ND only losing 1 or going undefeated in any given year? (2 times in 12 years)... Hope you gotta lot of luck stored up.

I asked b4 and didn't get an answer. Why is a one loss ND at a disadvantage to a one loss p5 team that wins a conference title? What if that conference stunk and ND played a high quality schedule? That P5 team should get in ahead of them anyway? If that's the case then why don't they just give automatic qualifiers to P5 conference champions?

The irony of saying that ND should join the ACC to improve their F4 prospects is that some of the same people criticize the strength of ND's schedule this year. That schedule might be stronger if they didn't have five games against the weakest P5 conference.

 

[Alsacs]

I asked b4 and didn't get an answer. Why is a one loss ND at a disadvantage to a one loss p5 team that wins a conference title? What if that conference stunk and ND played a high quality schedule? That P5 team should get in ahead of them anyway? If that's the case then why don't they just give automatic qualifiers to P5 conference champions?

The irony of saying that ND should join the ACC to improve their F4 prospects is that some of the same people criticize the strength of ND's schedule this year. That schedule might be stronger if they didn't have five games against the weakest P5 conference.

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:

• Championships won
• Strength of schedule
• Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
• Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)

CFB committees only protocol says Championships won. If a 1 loss ND vs. 1 loss P5 champion are close to even that conference title is the tiebreaker. It comes right from their own mouth. ND is gambling at 11-1 almost every year.

 

[TerryD]

Sounds good man. Hope your players and younger fans feel the same way.

I think that the younger fans do. This is more than football at issue here. ND uses its independent football team to market the university all over the country. ND's unique status allows it to do that. Jack Swarbrick has recently mentioned that several times. ND uses the football team for marketing the school itself for non-athlete students and for other goals than football.

Lots of things have to go right to get a shot. In 4 of the last 6 seasons you would have been shut out of a space based solely on there being more 12-1 or 13-0 teams above you. In the remaining 2 you'd be battling it out with the Big12 for that spot at 11-1. SOS is a crap shoot.

Combine those odds with ND only losing 1 or going undefeated in any given year? (2 times in 12 years)... Hope you gotta lot of luck stored up.

The past is the past. It has nothing to do with the future. Under Kelly, ND was 12-0 and in the championship game in 2012 and is 8-1 and ranked #4 right now. Those numbers are more relevant than yours for the future.

Besides, if you are right, then why in the hell would ND give up its identity and tradition as a football independent for something (playoffs) that it rarely will have a shot at anyway?

Didn't you just defeat your own argument for ND joining a football conference?