Guys it’s only year 4, Dino just

[JeffCuse]

To think, Ed Orgeron petitioned for this job. I think if the Babers experiment doesn’t work out end of next year this will become a reclamation situation for coaches who need a second or third chance.

I personally think we forget that SU is a northeast program that needs to dominate the north east for recruits. P was a CT guy, Mac was a New England guy. They built the trenches in the new engksndprep schools and layered them w fast Florida talent.

I hope Dino figures it out but I’m not gonna determine his fate bc he is charismatic or runs a mouse Davis offense.

Every Power 5 school needs to position itself as a national program. Yes we are located in the northeast. Yes we need recruiters who know the northeast. But we also need to recruit key parts of the rest of the country. At the very least the ACC footprint

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

I think the Babers experiment has run its course. Guy clearly can’t get it done. Let’s return to our Northesast roots. Is Al Golden looking for a job?

 

[Chip]

Is Al Golden looking for a job?

Probably not a bad idea for someone. Passing on him because of his experience at the U (that no one can seem to fix) would seem short sighted.

 

[Alsacs]

I think the Babers experiment has run its course. Guy clearly can’t get it done. Let’s return to our Northesast roots. Is Al Golden looking for a job?

Surprised you didn’t go Bret Bilemma as this board is in love with meatheads.

 

[TheCusian]

Yeah OK but Marrone followed GROB, who was a trainwreck of biblical proportions with a 5-37 record and Doug won 4,8,5,and 8 with two bowls over the next four seasons. And unlike Dino, he turned things around remarkably without an indoor practice facility or Dome improvements to sell to recruits. Dino’s ten win season rightfully buys him a fair amount of get out of jail cards. Still, this season is trending toward a bad, maybe very bad record. He has had four years and that should include obvious improvement at this point. 4 wins, 4 wins, 10 wins, 4 (or 3) likely wins doesn't exactly equal a great trend.

Under no circumstances should anyone even consider the idea of letting Dino go this year. Not going to happen, nor should it. Again, 10 wins was 10 wins and at SU that should count for a lot. But let's face facts; football at SU (along with basketball) isn't really about the academic mission of the University and has not been for a long time. Rather, is the focus of SU's Entertainment Division to use an analogy. As such, Dino is a highly paid person in a job where results count and are expected. As the old saying goes: "the world doesn't want to hear about the labor pains, it just wants to see the baby."

Unless the season ends differently than it is trending, Wildhack needs to have a talk about what changes might be made during the off-season and what metrics Dino needs to hit next year. That is simply Executive 101. Maybe Wildhack is comfortable with the ROI they have made in football, maybe he's not. That's not for us to say. I like Dino a lot but truthfully there are a lot more holes in his program than I would have expected in Year 4. I am always hopeful but at this point I don't see a real turnaround this year. If it does happen, that is great. Otherwise, I really hope he is up to the task of fixing things in Year 5.

This talking point kills me - Marrone’s second season featured two FCS teams and 1 ranked team in the craptastic Big East. It was a gift of a schedule.

Year 4 was the breakthrough, though there were signs prior to that (just like Dino).

Dino can coach - we have tangible proof.

 

[Cusefan69]

Part of the problem is to many on this board really thought 10 wins was going to happen so the reality of the season is an extremely tough pill for them to swallow. Some also thought that with just one season the proverbial corner was turned. Everyone of us knew the following going into the season:
1) while our oline might be ok with the run game, we were in allot of trouble from a pass protection standpoint. This is not disputable. We have not had a solid line in years but people were just 100% certain that TD would nullify that weakness somehow. 45 and 38 are the sacks allowed the prior two years and we were losing guys like Martin to boot.
2) While TD had a couple great performances last year, it is different coming in as a backup than coming in and being handed the keys but I think we all were bullish with TD making a positive impact. That said, some of the fan base had TD walking on water around here and that he was the second coming. I am sure that partly came from HCDFBs talking him up but we put way more on TD knowing he had to deal with number 1 above.
3) We lost key contributors lost on dline though our dends are strong.
4) All new starting linebackers. Are we surprised there was a learning curve?

I get the seasons outcome is disappointing and I certainly think shortcomings that relate to the staff and a void of player leadership is concerning but to be honest some of ya were way off in your expectations and perhaps how reasonable those were. Hopefully we target some oline players and another qb this cycle (by the way I thought Bergeron was pretty darn good all things considered yesterday), maybe some changes in staff and let’s get some leadership from the players. Also TD definitely ran the ball more aggressively yesterday which is a positive.

 

[Chip]

This talking point kills me - Marrone’s second season featured two FCS teams and 1 ranked team in the craptastic Big East. It was a gift of a schedule.

Year 4 was the breakthrough, though there were signs prior to that (just like Dino).

Dino can coach - we have tangible proof.

One thing Dino and Doug have in common. They won with the previous guy’s QB.

They still had to develop them. But just interesting (to me) to point out.

 

[orlandoorange]

This talking point kills me - Marrone’s second season featured two FCS teams and 1 ranked team in the craptastic Big East. It was a gift of a schedule.

Year 4 was the breakthrough, though there were signs prior to that (just like Dino).

Dino can coach - we have tangible proof.

I really wish I could agree with you. So far we have 1 great year, (which at this point is the outlier), and a huge win and close game vs Clemson. Maybe I'm missing something but I dont see any real improvement from game 1 to game 7 this season.

 

[Newhouser]

Yeah OK but Marrone followed GROB, who was a trainwreck of biblical proportions with a 5-37 record and Doug won 4,8,5,and 8 with two bowls over the next four seasons. And unlike Dino, he turned things around remarkably without an indoor practice facility or Dome improvements to sell to recruits. Dino’s ten win season rightfully buys him a fair amount of get out of jail cards. Still, this season is trending toward a bad, maybe very bad record. He has had four years and that should include obvious improvement at this point. 4 wins, 4 wins, 10 wins, 4 (or 3) likely wins doesn't exactly equal a great trend.

Under no circumstances should anyone even consider the idea of letting Dino go this year. Not going to happen, nor should it. Again, 10 wins was 10 wins and at SU that should count for a lot. But let's face facts; football at SU (along with basketball) isn't really about the academic mission of the University and has not been for a long time. Rather, is the focus of SU's Entertainment Division to use an analogy. As such, Dino is a highly paid person in a job where results count and are expected. As the old saying goes: "the world doesn't want to hear about the labor pains, it just wants to see the baby."

Unless the season ends differently than it is trending, Wildhack needs to have a talk about what changes might be made during the off-season and what metrics Dino needs to hit next year. That is simply Executive 101. Maybe Wildhack is comfortable with the ROI they have made in football, maybe he's not. That's not for us to say. I like Dino a lot but truthfully there are a lot more holes in his program than I would have expected in Year 4. I am always hopeful but at this point I don't see a real turnaround this year. If it does happen, that is great. Otherwise, I really hope he is up to the task of fixing things in Year 5.

Excellent work.

 

[TheCusian]

It’s too late to do a position by position break down, but my superficial take is that our QB and OL will have this monstrous learning experience under their belt. And we have some good athletes coming back at RB and WR. We also play in a mediocre conference and our OOC schedule is pedestrian. Winning 6-7 games is not a Herculean task (granted, saying that doesn’t make this disaster of a season seem better!). College football is a random game, who was thinking we’d have won 10 last year?

We’ll make changes too:

- new OL coach
- offseason tweaks to the offensive system (my theory is Briles system is a known now - needs to adapt)
- young and talented players will get another year in S&C

 

[FasterCuse]

Part of the problem is to many on this board really thought 10 wins was going to happen so the reality of the season is an extremely tough pill for them to swallow. Some also thought that with just one season the proverbial corner was turned. Everyone of us knew the following going into the season:
1) while our oline might be ok with the run game, we were in allot of trouble from a pass protection standpoint. This is not disputable. We have not had a solid line in years but people were just 100% certain that TD would nullify that weakness somehow. 45 and 38 are the sacks allowed the prior two years and we were losing guys like Martin to boot.
2) While TD had a couple great performances last year, it is different coming in as a backup than coming in and being handed the keys but I think we all were bullish with TD making a positive impact. That said, some of the fan base had TD walking on water around here and that he was the second coming. I am sure that partly came from HCDFBs talking him up but we put way more on TD knowing he had to deal with number 1 above.
3) We lost key contributors lost on dline though our dends are strong.
4) All new starting linebackers. Are we surprised there was a learning curve?

I get the seasons outcome is disappointing and I certainly think shortcomings that relate to the staff and a void of player leadership is concerning but to be honest some of ya were way off in your expectations and perhaps how reasonable those were. Hopefully we target some oline players and another qb this cycle (by the way I thought Bergeron was pretty darn good all things considered yesterday), maybe some changes in staff and let’s get some leadership from the players. Also TD definitely ran the ball more aggressively yesterday which is a positive.

This isn't just a knock on you, but I'm sick of everyone talking about losing kids year over year. So does every other college football program. I know we're not Clemson, but they lost their entire D line plus some other key contributors from lasr season and are doing just fine. Plenty of other teams rebuild year after year.

 

[SUfanNC]

I can't even get through all 8 pages. Very rarely to I get into the negative banter on here but some of you are just whiny. We are going to have down years coming off years of being terrible. Being upset is fine but if you can't see what Dino brings I have no idea what to tell you.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Surprised you didn’t go Bret Bilemma as this board is in love with meatheads.

@@& that would’ve been a better one. Not as easy as I thought to name the meatiest meathead I could think of.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I can't even get through all 8 pages. Very rarely to I get into the negative banter on here but some of you are just whiny. We are going to have down years coming off years of being terrible. Being upset is fine but if you can't see what Dino brings I have no idea what to tell you.

So you’re saying you DONT want to beat Mike Cavanaugh with a sack of nickels? Well that won’t fly around here pal.

 

[TheCusian]

I really wish I could agree with you. So far we have 1 great year, (which at this point is the outlier), and a huge win and close game vs Clemson. Maybe I'm missing something but I dont see any real improvement from game 1 to game 7 this season.

The context here is what? Because if you use Syracuse football history, he’s in very good company. How many times have we beaten a top two football team? How many times have we had 10 wins?

This season is mostly cluster due to OL play and it sits on his resume like a black eye, for sure. But it’s solvable.

 

[Cusefan69]

This isn't just a knock on you, but I'm sick of everyone talking about losing kids year over year. So doesn't every other college football program. I know we're not Clemson, but they lost their entire D line plus some other key contributors from it season and are doing just fine. Plenty of other teams rebuild year after year.

I hear ya. So you know I was not really focused there on the losing kids. Was more that we have had crappy lines and we are losing an anchor to that line. Oline has been a serious weakness. Even though we won last year, it is not like the line was good or pretty good. It is more accurate to say we won in spite of our oline play.

 

[Newhouser]

How many of us think Dino and his staff give us an advantage over other ACC staffs? He's safe and should be as 10 win seasons matter but game planning, in game adjustment, clock MGMT, game discipline ...we look like one of the worst coached teams in the league.

 

[TheCusian]

This isn't just a knock on you, but I'm sick of everyone talking about losing kids year over year. So doesn't every other college football program. I know we're not Clemson, but they lost their entire D line plus some other key contributors from it season and are doing just fine. Plenty of other teams rebuild year after year.

I would not pick Clemson as a my comp

How about BC or Wake?

 

[Trueblue25]

The fact Cordy still gets playing time is disappointing and a negative reflection on Dino.

 

[TheCusian]

How many of us think Dino and his staff give us an advantage over other ACC staffs? He's safe and should be as 10 win seasons matter but game planning, in game adjustment, clock MGMT, game discipline ...we look like one of the worst coached teams in the league.

I think Dino is right there with the rest of the HCs. I don’t think we have a great OL coach. Everyone else is quality, IMO.

 

[JeffCuse]

I can't even get through all 8 pages. Very rarely to I get into the negative banter on here but some of you are just whiny. We are going to have down years coming off years of being terrible. Being upset is fine but if you can't see what Dino brings I have no idea what to tell you.

He brings 4-4-10-?

Dint take this as me giving up Dino. I like Dino and still am.optimistic he is the answer. But at the end of the day its about wins. That 10 wins buys him a longer leash than any other coach who had 3 bad years of 4 would otherwise get. But it's not infinite. This is not the Crouthamel era. No apologism.

 

[Eric15]

This talking point kills me - Marrone’s second season featured two FCS teams

And that doesn't even factor in Akron who finished 1-11 that year and was basically the equivalent of an FCS team.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Against this weak schedule a competitive 5-7 would have been a big step back. An uncompetitive 3-9 should never have been in the cards.

 

[JeffCuse]

Against this weak schedule a competitive 5-7 would have been a big step back. An uncompetitive 3-9 should never have been in the cards.

I dont know what my official prediction here was but I am pretty sure I was looking at 7-8 wins with a 6 win floor. And that would have been absolutely fine. Competitive season first year qb and a low level bowl. Would be imo a lateral season to last year all things considered And a sign we could get back to 8-9 next year. Now all.bets are off

 

[cuseguy]

I would not pick Clemson as a my comp

How about BC or Wake?

OL play is rarely a problem at BC. They have a good line almost every year. Clawson has done a great job at Wake. He’s one of the best coaches in the ACC.