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How Doug Marrone became 'The Man Who Left Buffalo'

I like Marrone a lot. I think I get him. Some of us just want to go to work and...work. Ya know? Some of the brightest people have the worst social skills.

I think his recruiting receives too much negativity. The recruits would have come with the wins (assuming they came). Some coaches are salesmen using words, some use wins.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him back some day. But, boy, the contract would be scary detailed.
 
I wonder if he had any regrets about leaving SU after he walked away from the Bills. I like to think that he only left us because of the buckets of money he would make as a NFL head coach. :noidea:
 
I'd never close the door on him coming back. He obviously has issues with being the main man with how he's content being on the sideline now. Imagine Parcells doing that?!?!?!

I think Syracuse was his best chance for stability. Some people are allergic to stability though.
 
SU welched on a ton of promises and he left. Buffalo didn't extend him or his staff...showed a lack of commitment to Doug and staff...goodbye. Marrone returns the lack of commitment with the lack of his commitment. "You don't really want me here by not keeping your promises or showing you are commited to me then up yours, goodbye." Got to admit i was pissed when he left but i understand him now. He ain't gonna be no ones dish rag!
 
Ringostar57 said:
SU welched on a ton of promises and he left

That is so exaggerated. And he was complicit himself.
 
I wonder if he had any regrets about leaving SU after he walked away from the Bills. I like to think that he only left us because of the buckets of money he would make as a NFL head coach. :noidea:
I wouldn't count that out in his future. He has the ability. Owners don't care about old issues or people's feelings.
 
Great article. It's very well-documented that I am a very loyal Marrone guy. I guess that is because I actually got to be around him outside of football 5-6 times. He is a down-to-earth, ball-busting guy at the end of the day. Do I share Christmas cards with him? No, I'm not pretending I'm best friends with the guy, but I can speak to his ways when he is around friends and others he trusts. He clearly puts on a different impression in front of the cameras, but no one is perfect. Some people are not cut out to be the sales-y, exaggerated, bullshitting type of people when others want them to be.

That whole dream job statement somehow has caused deep damage to many of you, which I find hilariously comical. I mean, seriously, grow the . The man took a massive job promotion to be a HC in the NFL. There are 32 of those jobs in the land and he got one of them. The Bills weren't the only ones courting him, either. You would all do the same thing for your families, too. His family will never have to worry financially about anything again. That would be a pretty good feeling as a father.

The reasons he left Buffalo seem quite obvious to me, but no one truly knows the story except for Doug. And at the end of the day, he DOESN'T have to answer to anyone. Did he play his cards the wrong way? Who knows. Sorry to the Bills fans.

We, myself included, saw him leave far too early in our own selfish way, but he made a decision for himself and his family at the end of the day. I was pissed when he left, but knew it was coming as his name had been thrown around NFL circles for awhile and he had Jimmy Sexton repping him. Do I still wish he was here? Yep, but I'm also glad he brought Shaf here. Shaf will be our HC for a long time IMO and we can thank Doug for bringing him to us.

I wish Doug, his kind wife Helen, and their family the best and I hope (and expect) to see him as an NFL HC in the future. He has paid his dues over the years and is a high football IQ guy.
 
Cusester said:
I will always root for Doug but this article smells like an attempt to polish his image in the hopes of getting a head coach job. Good job by his agent,again.

As to his future, I don't really care. Whatever happens happens.

But here is how I view him. No matter whether it's SU or the Bills, there have been numerous "clashes". Whether it be clashes of personality, philosophies, trust, whatever. Some people love him, some don't. There's always two sides to every story.

But whether it's;

Doug vs SU fans
Doug vs Bills fans
Doug vs SU AD
Doug vs SU Admin
Doug vs Bills Admin
Doug vs some SU players
Doug vs some Bills players
Doug vs ex-SU players
Doug vs NJ coaches
Doug vs donors
Etc.

There's always one constant. Doug. He's his own "root cause" and worst enemy. Everyone else can't always be wrong. He seems happy now, he should stay in that role.
 
That whole dream job statement somehow has caused deep damage to many of you, which I find hilariously comical. I mean, seriously, grow the . The man took a massive job promotion to be a HC in the NFL. There are 32 of those jobs in the land and he got one of them.
OK, but it's weird, right? Sell hard the dream job angle. Then leave for an amazing opportunity that I think we can reasonably agree trumps the dream job.

But then to leave that too?

I mean, take out the Syracuse fan thing - this is a weird series of events.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
OK, but it's weird, right? Sell hard the dream job angle. Then leave for an amazing opportunity that I think we can reasonably agree trumps the dream job. But then to leave that too? I mean, take out the Syracuse fan thing - this is a weird series of events.

To me it wasn't just the dream job thing. It was the other things he said in addition to that. The binders he's been preparing for years just for this job. The statement he made about all of his career moves being made to prepare him for this opportunity.

He wanted the SU job more than SU wanted him.
 
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Sorry. How I wish him nothing but the best personally as a person. I wish him nothing but rats professionally.

He said Syracuse was his dream Job, then left high and dry and then had the audacity to rub it in that he left every time he poached assistant coach after assistant coach from the staff, and cost us the makings of a solid recruiting class at the time.

He was going to be our Jim Boeheim of Football. Now that being said if we did a coaching change down the road I would welcome him back with his tail between his legs. As should the University.
 
Besides getting us back to bowling, Marrone was 25-25 when Grob was what 10-38? I could ask him if he would reconsider coming back but I already know the answer - no. He is an NFL guy.

Bees cannot believe you still take this so personal but you do have one thing right - Doug was his own worse enemy. Never knew such a stubborn SOB myself...told him once he needed to pick & choose his battles but everything to him was a battle to win or lose. No political savvy whatsoever. Was in his office once while he was arguing on the phone with Gross & a trustee or 2 over the lack of progress on the IPF (between year 2 & 3 and I saw the plans back after year 1 similar to what we have today) he got so angry you could see his body shake. If you all forget, I broke the story on the IPF.

Regardless, there simply wasn't enough money, plain & simple in the old BE. I used to say Doug finally got what he wanted in the IPF but he had to leave the program to get it. The truth was a recomitment to football in our move to the ACC and funding comitments which surprised many as they built the IPF prior to getting 100% funding. Accounting is now under heavy scrutiny and control by Sevyrud.

You never know what the future holds but the we have to get back to being a football school. JB will be retiring soon and we have no idea what to expect after that. Better to not have all your eggs in one basket and that's the mission of the new AD. Bring back football, become less dependent on basketball - I hope they go after both! Go Orange.
 
Besides getting us back to bowling, Marrone was 25-25 when Grob was what 10-38? I could ask him if he would reconsider coming back but I already know the answer - no. He is an NFL guy.

Bees cannot believe you still take this so personal but you do have one thing right - Doug was his own worse enemy. Never knew such a stubborn SOB myself...told him once he needed to pick & choose his battles but everything to him was a battle to win or lose. No political savvy whatsoever. Was in his office once while he was arguing on the phone with Gross & a trustee or 2 over the lack of progress on the IPF (between year 2 & 3 and I saw the plans back after year 1 similar to what we have today) he got so angry you could see his body shake. If you all forget, I broke the story on the IPF.

Regardless, there simply wasn't enough money, plain & simple in the old BE. I used to say Doug finally got what he wanted in the IPF but he had to leave the program to get it. The truth was a recomitment to football in our move to the ACC and funding comitments which surprised many as they built the IPF prior to getting 100% funding. Accounting is now under heavy scrutiny and control by Sevyrud.

You never know what the future holds but the we have to get back to being a football school. JB will be retiring soon and we have no idea what to expect after that. Better to not have all your eggs in one basket and that's the mission of the new AD. Bring back football, become less dependent on basketball - I hope they go after both! Go Orange.

I heard from a little bird that Marrone was given an ultimatum prior to the 2012 season to go bowling or else...do you know if there's any truth to that?
 
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chakka3421 said:
Besides getting us back to bowling, Marrone was 25-25 when Grob was what 10-38? I could ask him if he would reconsider coming back but I already know the answer - no. He is an NFL guy. Bees cannot believe you still take this so personal but you do have one thing right - Doug was his own worse enemy. Never knew such a stubborn SOB myself...told him once he needed to pick & choose his battles but everything to him was a battle to win or lose. No political savvy whatsoever. Was in his office once while he was arguing on the phone with Gross & a trustee or 2 over the lack of progress on the IPF (between year 2 & 3 and I saw the plans back after year 1 similar to what we have today) he got so angry you could see his body shake. If you all forget, I broke the story on the IPF. Regardless, there simply wasn't enough money, plain & simple in the old BE. I used to say Doug finally got what he wanted in the IPF but he had to leave the program to get it. The truth was a recomitment to football in our move to the ACC and funding comitments which surprised many as they built the IPF prior to getting 100% funding. Accounting is now under heavy scrutiny and control by Sevyrud. You never know what the future holds but the we have to get back to being a football school. JB will be retiring soon and we have no idea what to expect after that. Better to not have all your eggs in one basket and that's the mission of the new AD. Bring back football, become less dependent on basketball - I hope they go after both! Go Orange.

Lol. How am I taking it personally by stating facts? Is someone only not taking it personally if they love him?
 
chakka3421 said:
Besides getting us back to bowling, Marrone was 25-25 when Grob was what 10-38? I could ask him if he would reconsider coming back but I already know the answer - no. He is an NFL guy. Bees cannot believe you still take this so personal but you do have one thing right - Doug was his own worse enemy. Never knew such a stubborn SOB myself...told him once he needed to pick & choose his battles but everything to him was a battle to win or lose. No political savvy whatsoever. Was in his office once while he was arguing on the phone with Gross & a trustee or 2 over the lack of progress on the IPF (between year 2 & 3 and I saw the plans back after year 1 similar to what we have today) he got so angry you could see his body shake. If you all forget, I broke the story on the IPF. Regardless, there simply wasn't enough money, plain & simple in the old BE. I used to say Doug finally got what he wanted in the IPF but he had to leave the program to get it. The truth was a recomitment to football in our move to the ACC and funding comitments which surprised many as they built the IPF prior to getting 100% funding. Accounting is now under heavy scrutiny and control by Sevyrud. You never know what the future holds but the we have to get back to being a football school. JB will be retiring soon and we have no idea what to expect after that. Better to not have all your eggs in one basket and that's the mission of the new AD. Bring back football, become less dependent on basketball - I hope they go after both! Go Orange.

Btw, there may have been one at some point that I'm not aware of, but I've never heard of them not starting a project without 100% of the finding. Each project seems to be risk based and confidence in raising the total funds. At one time, the orange pack (club) office would have one of triode thermometer type things that tracked funds raised for a smaller project. Like the lockers and offices for $5m(?). That thing stayed up for a long time after the work was completed.

Btw, after Doug left, I believe some more donations for the IPF came in. Coincidence?
 
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- An ivy-covered house in a gated Florida community is the perfect place to disappear. As Doug Marrone drags his trash cans off the curb, a neighbor in an Infiniti stops, not to badger him about clock management, but to ask about a recent family trip to Europe. When he walks into the gym to watch his daughter Maddie play volleyball, he's no longer followed by a hundred sets of eyes. Here, he is not The Man Who Left Buffalo, he's like just about every other coach and player in Jacksonville: anonymous.

Helen Marrone would prefer to keep it this way, which is why she didn't sleep the night before. It is mid-July, months removed from the day Marrone stunned the NFL and walked away from a head-coaching job on a winning team, and she cannot figure out why in the world he'd agree to an interview. Their kids have finally stopped crying themselves to sleep, and the venom toward a man who took a $4 million opt-out clause to leave Buffalo has slowed to a trickle. She slips into the room every so often to hear what he's saying. "You're panicking," Marrone tells his wife.

She knows he's not good at this stuff. And that's probably one of the reasons Marrone is where he is right now: an assistant coach for one of the NFL's worst teams, less than a year after he led the Bills to their best record in a decade. He is awkward around a microphone, and his demeanor comes across as gruff. He cuts an intimidating figure, an old lineman in a 6-foot-5, 270-ish pound body.

But on this summer day, he looks like a dad who's just come back from the beach, dressed in jeans, flip-flops and a salmon-colored button-down shirt. It isn't one of Marrone's favorite shirts, but Helen urged him to wear it. She wants him to make a good impression. Deep down, so does he. He grew up believing that good coaches needed to know players and football, not the secrets to scoring personality points, but here he sits, near the couch cushions he meticulously vacuumed a few hours earlier, trying to prove he's not a money-grubbing ogre.

"It's funny," Marrone said. "When we were sitting here, I said, 'You know what?' My goal in the interview -- you're going to write what you write, I can't control that -- by my deal was, I just hope when you leave here, you're like, '--, this guy's not a bad guy.'"

Marrone chats for hours, so relaxed that he occasionally talks with his mouth full of hummus and chips. He gives off the vibe of a man comfortable and at peace.

But later that night, Marrone calls. He says he wishes he'd never talked at all.


Continued:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ach-jacksonville-jaguars-offensive-line-coach

I was never angry - just disappointed.

I thought he was a good coach and could have been another JB...

I can never condemn someone when they leave to pursue an opportunity at the highest level...
 
I heard from a bird that Marrone was given an ultimatum prior to the 2012 season to go bowling or else...do you know if there's any truth to that?

What I heard was he wasn't getting a contract extension but I thought he did get an extension when it became apparent we were going bowling. Bees can confirm or not.

Bees I don't love the guy because I had to deal with him from time to time. Real pain in my a$$ because of his attention to detail - you had to know your stuff to deal with him. However he had huge passion to win - never showed it on the sideline either - never really understood that but he ran it like a business just like the NFL I like Shafer's passion on the sideline over Marrone.

Hackett was an OC in training cause Doug was in charge of the gameplan and would lay it all out for Hackett in packages. Hackett called plays but Doug could change packages if he liked or didn't like what he was seeing on the field. Marrone (and the best HCs) have cheat sheets on the sidelines where they communicate the game plan packages between the OC & DC all the time. Shafer doesn't seem to do this and leaves it to his OC & DC to call plays. Ergo trouble if we have a bad OC or DC.

I could go on between the differences between Marrone & Shafer's coaching styles but the worst was Grob - no gameplan, no passion, no discipline, nice guy. Gross had no idea how to go about picking a football HC. Good thing he's not in charge in picking our next bball HC.
 
Great article ... Thanks for linking it. I was always happy with him on our sideline... Here and in buffalo. I wish him and his family the best!
 
chakka3421 said:
What I heard was he wasn't getting a contract extension but I thought he did get an extension when it became apparent we were going bowling. Bees can confirm or not. Bees I don't love the guy because I had to deal with him from time to time. Real pain in my a$$ because of his attention to detail - you had to know your stuff to deal with him. However he had huge passion to win - never showed it on the sideline either - never really understood that but he ran it like a business just like the NFL I like Shafer's passion on the sideline over Marrone. Hackett was an OC in training cause Doug was in charge of the gameplan and would lay it all out for Hackett in packages. Hackett called plays but Doug could change packages if he liked or didn't like what he was seeing on the field. Marrone (and the best HCs) have cheat sheets on the sidelines where they communicate the game plan packages between the OC & DC all the time. Shafer doesn't seem to do this and leaves it to his OC & DC to call plays. Ergo trouble if we have a bad OC or DC. I could go on between the differences between Marrone & Shafer's coaching styles but the worst was Grob - no gameplan, no passion, no discipline, nice guy. Gross had no idea how to go about picking a football HC. Good thing he's not in charge in picking our next bball HC.

Doug didn't leave because of his contract at all. I know he was offered a raise so your right, I believe he got an extension.

The rest of your post doesn't apply to my post, so I won't comment.
 
What I heard was he wasn't getting a contract extension but I thought he did get an extension when it became apparent we were going bowling. Bees can confirm or not.

Bees I don't love the guy because I had to deal with him from time to time. Real pain in my a$$ because of his attention to detail - you had to know your stuff to deal with him. However he had huge passion to win - never showed it on the sideline either - never really understood that but he ran it like a business just like the NFL I like Shafer's passion on the sideline over Marrone.

Hackett was an OC in training cause Doug was in charge of the gameplan and would lay it all out for Hackett in packages. Hackett called plays but Doug could change packages if he liked or didn't like what he was seeing on the field. Marrone (and the best HCs) have cheat sheets on the sidelines where they communicate the game plan packages between the OC & DC all the time. Shafer doesn't seem to do this and leaves it to his OC & DC to call plays. Ergo trouble if we have a bad OC or DC.

I could go on between the differences between Marrone & Shafer's coaching styles but the worst was Grob - no gameplan, no passion, no discipline, nice guy. Gross had no idea how to go about picking a football HC. Good thing he's not in charge in picking our next bball HC.

Yeah, basically after the 2011 season they weren't going to extend him unless we went bowling in 2012. In 2012 we went bowling so he did get the extension. Jives with exactly what I heard.
 
OK, but it's weird, right? Sell hard the dream job angle. Then leave for an amazing opportunity that I think we can reasonably agree trumps the dream job.

But then to leave that too?

I mean, take out the Syracuse fan thing - this is a weird series of events.

It's weird to an outsider, but we have no idea how it all transpired. Hard to walk in someone else's shoes without being in their shoes.
 
Btw, after Doug left, I believe some more donations for the IPF came in. Coincidence?

Oh dear lord, c'mon. You're not really subliminally saying that big donations came in for the IPF after DM left, right?
 
Doug has pretty much burned his last two bridges and Coyle certainly will have better options should he want them. We need a college coach that can recruit and handle the non football parts of the job.
 

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