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dasher said:
We know that? I don't. If his name was Jimmy jones and he averaged 16 pts a game last year and had scored 25 against us, the board would be giddy about getting him. He has worked on his game. I know Buddy didn't work out for us. Basically a limited role player but Jimmy is bigger and a bit more athletic. Not the shooter his brother is but i think he will do well. I also don't think he will be a starter. And not many mid major programs have gone to the sweet 16 3 of the last 5 tournaments. As a matter of fact, none have unless you count the Zags. There have been 3 that have done it. The Zags, us and Mich.
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He can be fine at this level as long as he can handle the ball against the Power 5, take ACC defenders off the dribble to create his own shot. He also needs to be able to rebound and play defense at this level, as well be able to play through physical contact. None of the above he's had to do in the Ivy league but at this stage I'll take Mark Few's recruiting eye over anyone on our current staff. So maybe Jimmy CAN play at this level.

The sweet 16 comments are weak though, it's not a badge of honor when we've been a bubble team just squeaking into the tournament with double digit seeds. Of course it's great that we won a few games (better than losing in the first 2 rounds as a 2 seed)...But the seasons as a whole are on a downward trend. Our last 4 tourney bids are 10 seed, 11 seed, 8 seed, 11 seed. It's mid majoresque.

From 2000 - 2014 we had 6 double digit loss seasons; 6 out of 13. Since 2014 seven. That's 7 of the last 8 seasons we've had 10, 14, 14, 14, 15, 14 and 13 losses.

We're a middling mid-level P5 team. More average than not and it's a trend. The transfers we're losing are no big deal, but will an ivy league kid be an upgrade to QG or Braswell ? We'll see but it's hard for people to wrap their heads around when we're on a downward trend and the nepotism is strong.
 
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PhatOrange said:
He can be fine at this level as long as he can handle the ball against the Power 5, take ACC defenders off the dribble to create his own shot. He also needs to be able to rebound and play defense at this level, as well be able to play through physical contact. None of the above he's had to do in the Ivy league but at this stage I'll take Mark Few's recruiting eye over anyone on our current staff. So maybe Jimmy CAN play at this level.

The sweet 16 comments are weak though, it's not a badge of honor when we've been a bubble team just squeaking into the tournament and double digit seeds. Of course it's great that we won a few games (better than losing in the first 2 rounds as a 2 seed)...But the seasons as a whole are on a downward trend. Our last 4 tourney bids are 10 seed, 11 seed, 8 seed, 11 seed. It's mid majoresque.

From 2000 - 2014 we had 6 double digit loss seasons; 6 out of 13. Since 2014 seven. That's 7 of the last 8 seasons we've had 10, 14, 14, 14, 15, 14 and 13 losses.

We're a middling mid-level P5 team. More average than not and it's a trend. The transfers we're losing are no big deal, but will an ivy league kid be an upgrade to QG or Braswell ? We'll see but it's hard for people to wrap their heads around when we're on a downward trend and the nepotism is strong.
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Seems to have a little Lydon in his game. Not as good a shooter maybe but he moves similarly
 
PhatOrange said:
Lets hope so. I loved Lydon.
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I have bad news for you. Mark Few wasn't interested in Jimmy. He was interested in Buddy. As for the sweet 16's, winning in the tournament is the most important thing. 3 sweet 16's in the last 5 tournaments only two other schools can say. We also have 7 sweet 16's since '09. Only Duke and the Zags have more. They have 8. we haven't been a mid major or a run of the mill P 5 team. we just haven't been what we have been.
 
Fly Rodder said:
Jimmy and Buddy are going to play as walk-ons this year so that JAB can have a 16-man roster and a 14-man rotation.
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Actually he'll use 2 7 man rotations. One on the court and the other every 5 minutes moving one chair to the left
 
PhatOrange said:
He can be fine at this level as long as he can handle the ball against the Power 5, take ACC defenders off the dribble to create his own shot. He also needs to be able to rebound and play defense at this level, as well be able to play through physical contact. None of the above he's had to do in the Ivy league but at this stage I'll take Mark Few's recruiting eye over anyone on our current staff. So maybe Jimmy CAN play at this level.

The sweet 16 comments are weak though, it's not a badge of honor when we've been a bubble team just squeaking into the tournament and double digit seeds. Of course it's great that we won a few games (better than losing in the first 2 rounds as a 2 seed)...But the seasons as a whole are on a downward trend. Our last 4 tourney bids are 10 seed, 11 seed, 8 seed, 11 seed. It's mid majoresque.

From 2000 - 2014 we had 6 double digit loss seasons; 6 out of 13. Since 2014 seven. That's 7 of the last 8 seasons we've had 10, 14, 14, 14, 15, 14 and 13 losses.

We're a middling mid-level P5 team. More average than not and it's a trend. The transfers we're losing are no big deal, but will an ivy league kid be an upgrade to QG or Braswell ? We'll see but it's hard for people to wrap their heads around when we're on a downward trend and the nepotism is strong.
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Spot on post, that I couldn't agree any more with. And, let's not kid ourselves, the 10 losses this season is in all likelihood 13 at a minimum when it was all said and done had we played a full slate. IMO, we would've probably had split with Louisville, lose against FSU, and then lose one in the ACCT.

And, speaking of the ACCT, we have yet to beat a team in our conference tourney that has been an NCAA tournament team, or win more than one consecutive game since we have been in the league.

Yes, getting to the S16 is great, but it's just 2 wins and it doesn't, IMO, erase our irrelevance, for the most part, nationally during the regular season. In which, we haven't been ranked in the Top 25 come January since 2014.
 
Alsacs said:
Why couldn’t kids that played this year then redshirt during this season?
What was the point of not announcing Frank was taking a medical RS after his injuries and the Covid shutdown?
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He could get a 6th if he tries in 5 years. We won’t know until then. But it’s not 100% impossible.

Not sure why people are ruling out kids who were hurt this year not getting an extra year down the line automatically we just don’t know.
 
NineOneSeven said:
I thought Jimmy loved Cornell and was riding it out there? I know things change, but earlier in the year when Jimmy's name was thrown around (almost sarcastically to be honest), I read that it was extremely unlikely he would leave Ithaca.
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I’ve been calling this for years. The timeline set up perfectly and the father son hype during the games it made it obvious.
 
I’d love to see Autry and Griff go overseas and look for a stud PG and a forward or big man from Europe. Follow the Gonzaga model. Gonzaga did very well building a European pipeline. I wish we’d build off of our development of Marek and hopefully now Jesse and try to recruit over there. It could really set us apart from other ACC programs.
 
jdubs30 said:
So how do people feel about:

Girard
Buddy
Benny
Swider
Edwards

Torrance
Jimmy Jr
Frank
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I wondered about Swider. What happened to him at Nova? I guess he couldn’t handle Jay’s complex man-to-man scheme. That’s what happened with Quinerly.
 
Sherman20 said:
I wondered about Swider. What happened to him at Nova? I guess he couldn’t handle Jay’s complex man-to-man scheme. That’s what happened with Quinerly.
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His shooting was pretty good and he played 18 mins a game. He just wasn't a high volume shooter.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I think it relies on Benny being awesome a bit too much.
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I agree.

But I think making the tournament with that roster is reasonable and the ceiling is pretty high if Benny is a stud. Big if though.
 
dasher said:
I have bad news for you. Mark Few wasn't interested in Jimmy. He was interested in Buddy. As for the sweet 16's, winning in the tournament is the most important thing. 3 sweet 16's in the last 5 tournaments only two other schools can say. We also have 7 sweet 16's since '09. Only Duke and the Zags have more. They have 8. we haven't been a mid major or a run of the mill P 5 team. we just haven't been what we have been.
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Apologies for overstepping yesterday, Dash. I can disagree without being disagreeable and I went past the line. My bad. I owe you a Labatts or other beer of your choice if we ever get out of this bubble.

I'm still probably going to vehemently disagree with you in the upcoming days.
 
MikeSU02 said:
Apologies for overstepping yesterday, Dash. I can disagree without being disagreeable and I went past the line. My bad. I owe you a Labatts or other beer of your choice if we ever get out of this bubble.

I'm still probably going to vehemently disagree with you in the upcoming days.
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What in the world gives you the idea that I am letting you off with just a Labatts?
 
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