JB defenders...a message to you...

[moqui]

No, that's not it. I've been telling people for the past few years I'm sick of all of these "incidents" with this program. I saw the original post about #51 being ineligible and then I said enough is enough. I'm certainly disappointed that this season will not end well, of course I am...but it's not a "convenient masquerade." It's what I honestly feel.

but why didn't you make such an impassioned argument, against any and all doubters, when the season was rolling along and you thought we were Final Four bound?

 

[Cuseman78]

but why didn't you make such an impassioned argument, against any and all doubters, when the season was rolling along and you thought we were Final Four bound?

I can't speak for Iommi but everyone has a breaking point. Sounds like this was his "moment". I'm getting there myself.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

No, they're not supposed to do that...I find it hard to believe they couldn't do enough or supervise him enough to keep him eligible In no way am I talking responsibility away from #51...he's a jackass. If this latest ineligibility issue is a new issue, than it's even worse. But shouldn't the team have rules? Should a guy like #51 be allowed to go be at Chuck's 24/7? I know he's an adult and is 21...but would a curfew been too much to ask considering all of his past issues? Make the guy accountable.

Team rules are only effective if they're enforced by team leaders.

Maybe it's not a good idea for Melo to stay out late every night when he should be studying.

Maybe Scoop and KJ should have intervened before this became a problem.

 

[iommi]

Sorry ... I am confused. Why would someone be baffled by such a simple request as having the actual facts of each case in front of you to make an educated analysis and decision. I mean how can anyone actually say anything or develop any hypothesis without facts. Out there in poster world ... does anyone have the information and facts that we seek to clarify the situation. Please report. As I said before I would like to be enlightened. I'm sorry that I am being so pragmatic as to expect factual information.

Here are the facts...our starting center (who already missed three games this year due to eligibility issues) is ineligible for the NCAA Division 1 Men's Basketball Tournament. It's just the latest in a huge list of off the court "issues" that has plagued this program the past few decades.

Now, here's my opinion. I am an SU alum and fan. I am sick of this crap happening every single season. Jim Boeheim is the guy in charge of the team. I don't want him coaching the team any more. I want someone else to coach the team and do a better job of policing his players and make sure they do their school work, stay eligible and stay out of the police blotter and out of "back page" of the sports section. I'm sick of being the laughing stock of college athletics because our coach has too long of a leash with his players.

 

[iommi]

I can't speak for Iommi but everyone has a breaking point. Sounds like this was his "moment". I'm getting there myself.

this.

 

[iommi]

Team rules are only effective if they're enforced by team leaders.

Maybe it's not a good idea for Melo to stay out late every night when he should be studying.

Maybe Scoop and KJ should have intervened before this became a problem.

Oh, I agree with this. But we've heard all about Scoop and other players making their way to the local casinos and partying. Look, I went to Syracuse...I had a lot of "fun" there. I'm not naive. But our players are on scholarship. They should be working towards a common goal. Not going to class and getting loaded all the time at Chuck's will lead to some "issues."

 

[iommi]

A question to the Jacobins: it seems to be getting clear that the University stepped in and declared Fab ineligible. We don't know how hard or even whether JB fought to keep him, but at the end of the day - the ship is still sailing with a captain in charge and discipline the word of the day.

if it turns out JB supported the decision, and the Orange follow this up with a run to the 2nd weekend or beyond, do you still think he should be fired?

I think JB should resign. Let him go out on his terms. But I don't want him coaching here next year.

 

[Ghost]

Good post...I'm really not trying to pile on here but I'd rather if you used Kris Joseph as a better example...although I guess your point is Scoop learned from his transgressions. If so, I agree with that. I will say that it's not been a few bad apples. It will not help to list all of the incidents and culprits but it's an arm's length list.

Yeah, that was my point on Scoop. A kid that maybe could have been another strike against us, but because we stuck with him, he ended up getting a lot out of it, and we did as well. The sadder stories are ones like Melo, who gets a second chance, and clearly doesn't care.

 

[ORRange]

It's impossible for me to defend Fab's character because I grew up here. "Machismo" is not a word that I want to understand. I'm positive of one thing, I don't want him dating my daughter.
Fab has an agenda and came to the US to fulfill it. Good deal for everyone involved. Except he had to stay in shape and keep his grades up. He couldn't do either. And some of you think he doesn't have character issues. Hopefully he will figure out what's acceptable in this country before it's too late. He will certainly be reviled for many years to come around here.

 

[moqui]

I can't speak for Iommi but everyone has a breaking point. Sounds like this was his "moment". I'm getting there myself.

but this "moment" is not occurring "now," it is the same issue that got Fab suspended in January . . . if you weren't outraged then, but only now, it is fair to ask what the difference is.

the only difference is that the tournament is at stake

I call bullsh!t on the "moral outrage"

if you are upset that your team is not going deep enough in March and want a change in regime, then at least have the sack to say so (you won't be alone), and stop with this moral posturing

 

[iommi]

Yeah, that was my point on Scoop. A kid that maybe could have been another strike against us, but because we stuck with him, he ended up getting a lot out of it, and we did as well. The sadder stories are ones like Melo, who gets a second chance, and clearly doesn't care.

Yes, I agree 100%. Thinking of #51 (I refuse to acknowledge him by name)... think of this. We were so caught up in his recruitment. We were dying for him to choose us over his other suitors. We get him. He was overweight and a huge let-down his first year. Then came the crap with the girlfriend... but then, we saw that he got himself in shape. He improved on the court. Then came the first academic eligibility issue and suspension. Then he came back and was less effective than before. And now: this. The guy has put us on a roller coaster and frankly, I'm glad to be off that annoying ride.

 

[Victory Lap]

I'm frankly sick of being one of those apologists with my friends and family and random 'Cuse and JB bashers.

Oh, and Fab Melo: you are a loser and my least favorite player ever to wear the uniform. Go home to Brazil and I wish you zero success in your future endeavors.

1) Grow a pair. Every fan has to deal with other fans talking isht. Join the club. I don't know where you're at, but I've been in sports exile for a long time; I've not lived by my teams in decades. And I'm in ACC country, where people actually care about college hoops. Don't let people get to you.

2) I don't know what Fab's academic issues are. Until I know more, I'm not going to make too much out of it. You shouldn't either. Fab has had to (a) adjust to life in a different country, (b) adjust to life in a different climate, (c) learn a new language - which could be a good reason why he is having academic difficulties, (d) deal with very high expectations, (e) be half the globe away from his family, which is where most of us look for support, () had a bad breakup with a GF, (g) and on and on and on.

Until you have all that on your shoulders, don't judge. You can't even deal with family members talking smack about Syracuse!! And certainly don't wish him a horrible life, there's no reason for that.

 

[iommi]

but this "moment" is not occurring "now," it is the same issue that got Fab suspended in January . . . if you weren't outraged then, but only now, it is fair to ask what the difference is.

the only difference is that the tournament is at stake

I call bullsh!t on the "moral outrage"

if you are upset that your team is not going deep enough in March and want a change in regime, then at least have the sack to say so (you won't be alone), and stop with this moral posturing

I was pissed and I said it on this site. I was pissed with the Devo stuff and all the other "incidents." Again, moqui...I'm being honest here. Call bullsh!t all you want.

Obviously, the timing of this issue sucks donkey balls. I just hit my breaking point and I don't care if you want to read into the timing of my "outrage." I was almost at my breaking point with the Devo crap and that was in what...2008-2009?

 

[iommi]

1) Grow a pair. Every fan has to deal with other fans talking isht. Join the club. I don't know where you're at, but I've been in sports exile for a long time; I've not lived by my teams in decades. And I'm in ACC country, where people actually care about college hoops. Don't let people get to you.

2) I don't know what Fab's academic issues are. Until I know more, I'm not going to make too much out of it. You shouldn't either. Fab has had to (a) adjust to life in a different country, (b) adjust to life in a different climate, (c) learn a new language - which could be a good reason why he is having academic difficulties, (d) deal with very high expectations, (e) be half the globe away from his family, which is where most of us look for support, () had a bad breakup with a GF, (g) and on and on and on.

Until you have all that on your shoulders, don't judge. You can't even deal with family members talking smack about Syracuse!! And certainly don't wish him a horrible life, there's no reason for that.

Okay...I agree with you on #1... #2 is just chock full of excuses... He also had built-in reasons to at least make sure he's academically eligible...or did people make him get loaded at Chuck's seemingly all the time.

I don't think fondly of #51...I'm certainly not going to wish him well as he helps make my alma mater's hoops program look bad.

 

[Cuseman78]

but this "moment" is not occurring "now," it is the same issue that got Fab suspended in January . . . if you weren't outraged then, but only now, it is fair to ask what the difference is.

the only difference is that the tournament is at stake

I call bullsh!t on the "moral outrage"

if you are upset that your team is not going deep enough in March and want a change in regime, then at least have the sack to say so (you won't be alone), and stop with this moral posturing

I'm tired of Yahoo stories, and academic suspensions, and Bernie and Laurie, etc etc. I'm tired of the lack of control/discipline that has plagued this program in the past. I think its certainly fair for people to have breaking points. We all have them. Iommi hit his. I get it.

As I said, I'm not there, but I'm personally exhausted. Nothing to do with moral posturing.

 

[iommi]

Thanks, Cuseman. Glad you get it. Hope you don't have to get to that breaking point. I want this program to succeed in all facets.

 

[Victory Lap]

Okay...I agree with you on #1... #2 is just chock full of excuses... He also had built-in reasons to at least make sure he's academically eligible...or did people make him get loaded at Chuck's seemingly all the time.

I don't think fondly of #51...I'm certainly not going to wish him well as he helps make my alma mater's hoops program look bad.

Excuses, reasons, semantics. I couldn't pass college-level classes in a foreign language.

 

[iommi]

Excuses, reasons, semantics. I couldn't pass college-level classes in a foreign language.

The guy has been immature and hot-tempered too...oh, that's right...he's Brazilian...that's his excuse for that too. Come on...he's a disgrace. Defend him all you want. No, thanks.

 

[NKR1978]

It's impossible for me to defend Fab's character because I grew up here. "Machismo" is not a word that I want to understand. I'm positive of one thing, I don't want him dating my daughter.
Fab has an agenda and came to the US to fulfill it. Good deal for everyone involved. Except he had to stay in shape and keep his grades up. He couldn't do either. And some of you think he doesn't have character issues. Hopefully he will figure out what's acceptable in this country before it's too late. He will certainly be reviled for many years to come around here.

He's Bizarro Melo

 

[DoctorBombay]

I'm tired of Yahoo stories, and academic suspensions, and Bernie and Laurie, etc etc. I'm tired of the lack of control/discipline that has plagued this program in the past. I think its certainly fair for people to have breaking points. We all have them. Iommi hit his. I get it.

As I said, I'm not there, but I'm personally exhausted. Nothing to do with moral posturing.

Not quite there yet- I'll see what transpires in the program these next coupla months.
I had to turn my phone off because friends & family are wondering "whattsup w/ your alma mater".
I haven't been ready to respond- this is all uncharted territory for SU fans.
TWO(2) NUMBER ONE SEEDS...DERAILED BY THE LOSS OF OUR CENTER...TWO YEARS APART...ON...THE..EXACT...SAME...DATE?????
Numb.

 

[br801]

I was pissed and I said it on this site. I was pissed with the Devo stuff and all the other "incidents." Again, moqui...I'm being honest here. Call bullsh!t all you want.

Obviously, the timing of this issue sucks donkey balls. I just hit my breaking point and I don't care if you want to read into the timing of my "outrage." I was almost at my breaking point with the Devo crap and that was in what...2008-2009?

Iommi, you're awfully sensitive for someone who earlier today proclaimed he was the only poster with the stones to speak honestly about the program. Buzz Shaw just called and said you should get a life.

 

[iommi]

Iommi, you're awfully sensitive for someone who earlier today proclaimed he was the only poster with the stones to speak honestly about the program. Buzz Shaw just called and said you should get a life.

Whatever...I said what a lot of people on this site are thinking. Period.

I am sensitive. It makes me sad that my beloved team's name has been besmirched.

 

[NovaOrange]

Wow I am book marking this post now just as a reminder of what not to do when SU upsets me. Does the situation suck yes however I am always going to pull for SU no matter how rough the times get I am a Bills fan for goodness sake I have been through worse things. At the end of the day just sit back and watch SU suprise everyone and win the whole freaking thing if not take some deep breaths and call it a early night

 

[Cuseman78]

Not quite there yet- I'll see what transpires in the program these next coupla months.
I had to turn my phone off because friends & family are wondering "whattsup w/ your alma mater".
I haven't been ready to respond- this is all uncharted territory for SU fans.
TWO(2) NUMBER ONE SEEDS...DERAILED BY THE LOSS OF OUR CENTER...TWO YEARS APART...ON...THE..EXACT...SAME...DATE?????
Numb.

It was certainly a heavy text day, wasn't it? Thankfully I worked from home today, but I'm certainly going to hear it tomorrow.

 

[br801]

I am sensitive. It makes me sad that my beloved team's name has been besmirched.

Well I'm just glad you're not a Penn State alum.