John and Fran need to go

[RedtheGOB]

Fran isn't going anywhere but he has lost most of the goodwill he gained last year. What concerns me is the culture. Going into this year, I was all aboard the DART train. I was confident that the culture was changing for the better. Even if we had a tough schedule and lost games, we would be competitive.

But the reality is that are not in the realm of being competitive with even mediocre teams. What i saw yesterday was a team with no fight, no heart and no desire to compete. A failing team culture. Believe me, I want Fran to succeed but he dug himself into a big hole this season. I don't see any easy fixes.

It's been said elsewhere but what happens to the team culture when 90% of the team knows they will not play next year at least here or at the P4 level. They know that Fran is on the phone with Penn St and Florida and all the other elite talent that hit the portal when their coaches got canned. 5 and 4 star guys coming in at every position group.

As someone that's seen many a Corporate layoff, the culture goes out the door as well as the motivation in the aftermath. It's Fran's job to clean house, that means the staff and team leaders as well. If he doesnt and this happens again then Houston we have a problem

 

[swish7]

Wake Forest is really small and manages to be more competitive than SU most years. We ought to be at least average among schools like Wake, Duke, Northwestern, SMU, Vanderbilt, BC, Pitt and Tulane. Far too often we are not.

I am not following this subthread closely, just skimming through, but Wake Forest, Pitt, Duke & some others manage to play a good brand of football, with the same constraints Syracuse has.

I think at schools like this you have to recruit gritty kids & coach them up & be innovative and efficient on gameday.

If Fran cannot GM us to these 3 things, he'll never be successful here.

 

[23Zone]

You say this without the context that the team was down 21-0 before the defense even got on the field ha. I'm not even sure I saw the starters playing on defense most of the game, I saw 3rd and 4th string guys cuz why not. Someone above said traumatic. It is for the staff that's all young and over their heads in this situation and the players.

Yeah that certainly did not help but the defensive disaster has been an issue all year

 

[Cusefan95]

I keep up with Wake from time to time being not far from them - they are always undersized but also innovative like with their mesh handoff/pass thing they do. That is one way to be competitive.

It’s also a sign they can’t compete without those sorts of tricks and innovations. Like when Dino went with our run heavy offense following the loss of Schrader … only for Wake it wasn’t a situational adaptation, it was how they need to play every game.

We could do this as well but it’s pretty clear our AD wants us to compete with big boy programs with as equal talent as we can manage and similar schemes. That’s the track we are on. Agreed that those schools listed SHOULD be peer schools.

100% agree. When you look at historical records, Wake has a higher floor and a lower ceiling. I remember a press conference with Shaw/Jake many years ago where the laid out the vision to be a 7 or 8 win program at Syracuse, where maybe once in a great while we'd see an outstanding year - it did not go over well. We're not using the same strategy as Wake...and I'm not on board with switching to that overall strategy.

 

[tbonezone]

don't want to hear about D.A.R.T. anymore. not after that game. that missile entirely missed the board.

 

[TexanMark]

This year should teach us:

Flash in the pan years (18 and 24)...we need to temper extending HC contracts.

2 seasons in a row...then you talk

 

[GoSU96]

Orange7 needs to go