Lester on his Offense

[SWC75]

There were times we moved it well ... but scoring was a different story ... I've never seen such a helter skelter story in terms of how an offense was between the 20s and then what it looked like inside the 20s ... very bizarre.

WE need guys who can break plays. Modern offense is about running simple, easy to execute plays and having athletes turn them into big gains. Scene is just about give them the chance to do something but we didn't have enough playmakers last year, at least healthy ones. Maybe this year will be different.

 

[phil77]

Lester ran this offense with DIII players. I think we will be just fine.

And against DIII players

 

[bcubs9497]

As mentioned earlier by others, this experiment isn't going to end well, especially if you keep trashing successful alumni who have given more time, energy and money to this program than you would know.

All because they refuse to see only positive in our current situation.

1. Couldn't care less how much time, money, energy is given.

2. There are lots of legitimate questions/doubts/concerns going into this season. Doesn't mean a person has to be a douche-bag about it and almost solely focus on that.

 

[kcsu]

I played college Bball for a hall of fame coach. We had decent talent and beat many teams that had more talent then we did because of great coaching. The right coach can win with good not great talent. Shaf can coach D he can recruit and he can motivate. We simply lack an O. Lets hope that Lester makes it happen

 

[longtimefan]

You can have all the x's and o's but as long as you have no o line no offense will move the ball. No blocking no offense. I use to like Ted Dailey's theory that it's like baking a cake. "The OL is the cake, skill players are the icing and Ernie Davis is the candy sprinkles on top! If your cake don't rise doesnt matter what icing and candy you got!" For those of you youngins Ted was OC in the 50s and early60s.

I think Ted hung around as long as Ben did, which means he was still coaching the Orange through '73 (?).

 

[baggerbob]

The biggest problem with all the naysayers is, you haven't even seen a game yet, and you're already a bunch of Negative Nancy's. Get over yourselves, until you actually see his offense in a real game, then if it fails you can complain. I'm glad most of you weren't around when I started following SU football, and basketball, I might not have become a fan.

 

[TheCusian]

the thing is...hes the OC of a P5 school. with all due respect, he needs to be able to tell the media what his offense is. he needs to have an 'Elevator Speech' ready to go. it cant be that hard, hell...you have spent hours telling us that now that he can install HIS offense, we will see things. well, he cant even tell us in 20 words what HIS offense is. he rambled on about being an offense base on: - one from the late 70s-early 80s - one from the mid to late 90s featuring imo the greatest QB of all time, an impressive run game and as our resident expert on the patsys pointed out...a cheating OL (not surprised you picked up on that ) - one from the late 00's that was largely unsuccessful and finally one where the only thing we seem to know about it, is that it is based on having an all world D while giving the ball to the best RB in the league, except on the goal line where you have your short QB throw over the middle into traffic right to the waiting arms of a DB. colour me unimpressed with that elevator speech. how difficult is it to say???...'what i will be running will be nothing like you have seen at Syracuse. it will be a form of the west coast offense, but tailored to the college athlete and using the built in home field advantage we have here with the Dome'. everyone should be happy enough with just hearing 'west coast offense' and if pressed on how it will work in college just say 'it can work because Dana Bible had great success with it for a couple of schools we all are familiar with...bc & ncst. he went to what? 12 bowl games in 14 years running it, often winning 8 or 9 games in the process. would you take that?'. and then just shut up and not say a word more.

You guys would kill him for that take. C'mon.

 

[TheCusian]

The biggest problem with all the naysayers is, you haven't even seen a game yet, and you're already a bunch of Negative Nancy's. Get over yourselves, until you actually see his offense in a real game, then if it fails you can complain. I'm glad most of you weren't around when I started following SU football, and basketball, I might not have become a fan.

Exactly. At least Kaiser is complaining about something that happened (the interview itself).

 

[Millhouse]

If you're keeping the ball, you're moving it.

?

to not punt the ball away, you have to take some chances. maybe we should go victory formation at the beginning of the game. no turnovers, perfectly executed.

ohio state and florida state were ok last year with 58 turnovers between them

 

[Alsacs]

It is obvious all naysayers need some of this.


I mean there is nothing to question.

 

[TheCusian]

It is obvious all naysayers need some of this. YouTube Video I mean there is nothing to question.

Doubts are fine - I have them. I just pull short of rendering a verdict based on an interview and my vague alcohol tinged memories of the Gerg years.

 

[Millhouse]

the thing is...hes the OC of a P5 school.

with all due respect, he needs to be able to tell the media what his offense is. he needs to have an 'Elevator Speech' ready to go.

it cant be that hard, hell...you have spent hours telling us that now that he can install HIS offense, we will see things. well, he cant even tell us in 20 words what HIS offense is.

he rambled on about being an offense base on:

- one from the late 70s-early 80s
- one from the mid to late 90s featuring imo the greatest QB of all time, an impressive run game and as our resident expert on the patsys pointed out...a cheating OL (not surprised you picked up on that )
- one from the late 00's that was largely unsuccessful
and finally one where the only thing we seem to know about it, is that it is based on having an all world D while giving the ball to the best RB in the league, except on the goal line where you have your short QB throw over the middle into traffic right to the waiting arms of a DB.

colour me unimpressed with that elevator speech.

how difficult is it to say???...'what i will be running will be nothing like you have seen at Syracuse. it will be a form of the west coast offense, but tailored to the college athlete and using the built in home field advantage we have here with the Dome'.

everyone should be happy enough with just hearing 'west coast offense' and if pressed on how it will work in college just say 'it can work because Dana Bible had great success with it for a couple of schools we all are familiar with...bc & ncst. he went to what? 12 bowl games in 14 years running it, often winning 8 or 9 games in the process. would you take that?'.

and then just shut up and not say a word more.

he's going to run a bill cubit mishmash of everything under the sun with goofy trick plays that will make us pull out our eyebrows.

the offense he described is cubit's hard to pin down grab bag rooted in the west coast offense with a bunch of waterboy mad scientist goofiness. and we know cubit's offense stinks

 

[TheCusian]

? to not punt the ball away, you have to take some chances. maybe we should go victory formation at the beginning of the game. no turnovers, perfectly executed. ohio state and florida state were ok last year with 58 turnovers between them

I love how black and white you've gotten over this. You're a half-step from "we've always punted on first down!" and "throw into coverage! Throw it to the DB maybe we can cause a fumble!"

You act like it's crazy to consider the state of your offense when making decisions "Well we're starting a freshman QB who can't feel his throwing arm, are missing his 2 best WR, have 1/3 of a healthy offensive line and have a total of 57yds this half... Yeah let's go for it on our own twenty!"

Whole lotta gray in there brother. We're not half as conservative as you insist.

 

[TheCusian]

he's going to run a bill cubit mishmash of everything under the sun with goofy trick plays that will make us pull out our eyebrows. the offense he described is cubit's hard to pin down grab bag rooted in the west coast offense with a bunch of waterboy mad scientist goofiness. and we know cubit's offense stinks

You know this how?

 

[Alsacs]

I love Millhouse's #hotsportztakes they are cleverly words veils of criticism and frustration from a true diehard. I actually think he would speechless if our coaching became more par for the national median.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Id love to be an outlier

We are an outlier.

 

[Millhouse]

You know this how?

because what lester described could also describe cubit's offense. and because Lester hasn't worked under anyone but him (even if McDonald was competent, lester clearly doesn't like respect that offense)

lester described cubit's offense perfectly and cubit was his mentor, but that doesn't matter to you

 

[TheCusian]

because what lester described could also describe cubit's offense. and because Lester hasn't worked under anyone but him (even if McDonald was competent, lester clearly doesn't like respect that offense)

lester described cubit's offense perfectly and cubit was his mentor, but that doesn't matter to you

I'd take this right now, given our 2014:

"The Illini improved from 119th nationally in both yards and points to 52nd in yards and 61st in points. Quarterback Nathan Scheelhaase led the Big Ten in passing (3,272 yards), and Illinois finished 22nd nationally in pass offense with 64 plays of 20 yards or longer."

 

[Millhouse]

I love how black and white you've gotten over this. You're a half-step from "we've always punted on first down!" and "throw into coverage! Throw it to the DB maybe we can cause a fumble!"

You act like it's crazy to consider the state of your offense when making decisions "Well we're starting a freshman QB who can't feel his throwing arm, are missing his 2 best WR, have 1/3 of a healthy offensive line and have a total of 57yds this half... Yeah let's go for it on our own twenty!"

Whole lotta gray in there brother. We're not half as conservative as you insist.

they still managed to throw 8 interceptions in november.

 

[Alsacs]

When was Jarrod West hurt? He was by far the best WR we had last year. Ishmael has the potential to be beast and Estime and Broyld were hurt, but West was healthy.

Our offense was pathetic after the NC State game last year. I get we had injuries but ESPN already had the tweet it was the worst offense from a P5 school the last 10 years for the last 5 games.

 

[KaiserUEO]

1. Couldn't care less how much time, money, energy is given.

2. There are lots of legitimate questions/doubts/concerns going into this season. Doesn't mean a person has to be a douche-bag about it and almost solely focus on that.

1. stick to your guns on that. go ahead, we'd rather you do that than waiver or fake play nice.

2. this is where you get in trouble. nobody, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON here, is being a douche-bag about the upcoming season, the coaches and/or the players...AGAIN, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. and neither is anyone solely focusing on any one thing while being negative or positive. hell, the only prerequisite for posting here is an undeniable diagnosis of ADHD. you started this point off acknowleging things may not be all happy happy joy joy in the 315, yet your inability to let a post go by discussing that point without condemning it as some sort of program blasphemy, is annoying as all goddamn heck.

again, i ask you to seriously reconsider posting here. your may & june foray's into discussion really havnt gone all that well and so i dont expect things to get better in july & august.

and come the regular season, when there is game footage to watch, articles being written about that footage with commentary all over radio & tv...and the 50 diehards you see posting here have been invaded by 250+ in season folk...you most certainly will not want to be here.

 

[AZOrange]

1. stick to your guns on that. go ahead, we'd rather you do that than waiver or fake play nice. 2. this is where you get in trouble. nobody, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON here, is being a douche-bag about the upcoming season, the coaches and/or the players...AGAIN, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. and neither is anyone solely focusing on any one thing while being negative or positive. hell, the only prerequisite for posting here is an undeniable diagnosis of ADHD. you started this point off aknolwedging things may not be all happy happy joy joy in the 315, yet your inability to let a post go by discussing that point without condemning it as some sort of program blasphemy is annoying as all goddamn heck. again, i ask you to seriously reconsider posting here. your may & june foray's into discussion really havnt gone all that well and so i dont expect things to get better in july & august. so come the regular season, when there is game footage to watch, articles being written about that footage with commentary all over radio & tv...and the 50 diehards you see posting here have been invaded by 250+ in season folk...you most certainly will not want to be here.

I was guessing something like this or a "u mad bro?" Response. What happened to the "u mad bro" poster?

 

[Millhouse]

1. stick to your guns on that. go ahead, we'd rather you do that than waiver or fake play nice.

2. this is where you get in trouble. nobody, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON here, is being a douche-bag about the upcoming season, the coaches and/or the players...AGAIN, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. and neither is anyone solely focusing on any one thing while being negative or positive. hell, the only prerequisite for posting here is an undeniable diagnosis of ADHD. you started this point off aknolwedging things may not be all happy happy joy joy in the 315, yet your inability to let a post go by discussing that point without condemning it as some sort of program blasphemy is annoying as all goddamn heck.

again, i ask you to seriously reconsider posting here. your may & june foray's into discussion really havnt gone all that well and so i dont expect things to get better in july & august.

so come the regular season, when there is game footage to watch, articles being written about that footage with commentary all over radio & tv...and the 50 diehards you see posting here have been invaded by 250+ in season folk...you most certainly will not want to be here.

it is so clear to me that syracuse needs a head coach with his offense. scott shafer might have success somewhere else. but after so many years (excluding) of not knowing what the hell we're trying to do on offense, how in the world can we be in this boat again where the offensive coordinator can't tell us what we're going to do?

maybe some programs can get by on hardnosed and defense and kitchen sink offenses but not us. it's been too many years of bad, unidentifiable, pro influenced offenses. Coyle has a year to figure this out. Please god let him talk to some donors and fans with any awareness of college football outside of syracuse today.

 

[Scooch]

"You found outliers, hooray! Baylor was the most penalized team in all of college football last year. Pretty horrible execution, no? They had a pretty good year though." Kansas State 2014: 9-4; 2013: 8-5; 2012: 11-2; 2011: 10-3; 2010: 7-6 Past five years, winning records, bowl games. Done with "marginal" talent. Admit it, you're just a @!#$ whose monthly bill is perpetually due.

Much more talent than SU.

 

[Scooch]

Mizzou has marginal talent and has been great the last two years. Boise State is perpetual marginal talent and they win, even the big games. BYU seems to win enough without elite recruiting classes, we would kill to have their last 4 seasons. Georgia Tech doesn't exactly kill it on the recruiting circuit either ... lets not forget UCF ... or Duke ... Michigan State doesn't rake in top 10 recruiting classes (although their talent isn't truly marginal it isn't elite) and they win just fine. The fact is you need a special player to make it work ... this season is all on Hunt ... period end of story. SU goes as he goes.

You guys have bizarre definitions of "marginal talent".