Liberty opens as 7 point favs…

[PhatOrange]

if we are running the ball well we will go faster. But we dont seem to have a team that can do it for extended periods of time. What we need is the Phillips type play where we get the small chunk passes to keep the pace up.

That's exactly right and where I think Gilbert drops the ball (pun intended.)

Also, originally I thought the offense wanted to pass first to set up the run. I think that was the Bowling Green philosophy. Get small chunk yards dinking and dunking outside to spread the D out and then come back with the between the tackles run. This was part of the fast pace.

Do you think this is still the case or have we developed into an offense that wants to run first to setup the pass? That's the slow traditional style.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

That's exactly right and where I think Gilbert drops the ball (pun intended.)

Also, originally I thought the offense wanted to pass first to set up the run. I think that was the Bowling Green philosophy. Get small chunk yards dinking and dunking outside to spread the D out and then come back with the between the tackles run. This was part of the fast pace.

Do you think this is still the case or have we developed into an offense that wants to run first to setup the pass? That's the slow traditional style.

slow traditional style is what we need to do at this point, IMO.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Do you think this is still the case or have we developed into an offense that wants to run first to setup the pass? That's the slow traditional style.

I don’t think the distinction is important. Either way, the point is to keep the defense guessing.

 

[PhatOrange]

You won't see us going fast very often with TD at the helm. The staff understands that he doesn't consistently make the correct read at the LOS enough to take the risk. Three and outs are deadly...especially against a team with a dominant QB.

Last week was GS' "going fast" test. Imo, the staff was testing him (despite the score/opponent) to determine if he is capable of running the up tempo game. We'll see how the coaches felt very soon.

I think we can go fast with Tommy but it has to be a steady diet of fast one read outside throws. 3 yds here, 4 yds there and runs sprinkled in. We've gotten away from this. I think now with the emergence of Tucker we need to get back to doing this.

 

[GeauxSU]

That's exactly right and where I think Gilbert drops the ball (pun intended.)

Also, originally I thought the offense wanted to pass first to set up the run. I think that was the Bowling Green philosophy. Get small chunk yards dinking and dunking outside to spread the D out and then come back with the between the tackles run. This was part of the fast pace.

Do you think this is still the case or have we developed into an offense that wants to run first to setup the pass? That's the slow traditional style.

I think that the fact that we've become a run-first football team means that not having Big Chris in a game like this where we're going to have to convert consistently on third and short is that much bigger of a loss. I don't trust our hogs alone to open up the holes necessary (against non-FCS defenses) for Sean to pick up first downs on 3rd&5> without Chris.

If we can't convert on third and short consistently on Friday night, then you simply have to pack it in. Cannot give Malik the time on the field. I'll be watching very intently in the first quarter for sustained drives.

 

[Timonen]

We’ve had problems with this type of QB for years. Hopefully we can contain. Lamar Jackson contributed to Heismann resume in his game with us (and his video highlight library).

Our d is faster than it’s been in the past. Looking at his line from Troy is interesting. He was sacked 5 times and ran TWENTY times for 93. If we can match that, I think we’re in good shape. And if we put 25 shots on him, there’s a very good chance it will directly or indirectly influence a turnover or two. The key is no coverage breakdowns. No freebies down the field and I really like our chances.

 

[RMH44]

Our d is faster than it’s been in the past. Looking at his line from Troy is interesting. He was sacked 5 times and ran TWENTY times for 93. If we can match that, I think we’re in good shape. And if we put 25 shots on him, there’s a very good chance it will directly or indirectly influence a turnover or two. The key is no coverage breakdowns. No freebies down the field and I really like our chances.

Good points and I think this will be the first game where DC White really turns the defense loose. Should be a fun game.

 

[upperdeck]

We need to win a Turnover battle. We gave it away vs Rutgers and Albany too many times.. If we make him run 20-25 times for 100 we can live with that if we dont give up the 2-3 huge plays to others we did last yr.. I like the fact that we are seeing plays from everyone on the dline so far and really still not bringing much pressure from the LBs.

 

[PhatOrange]

Our d is faster than it’s been in the past. Looking at his line from Troy is interesting. He was sacked 5 times and ran TWENTY times for 93. If we can match that, I think we’re in good shape. And if we put 25 shots on him, there’s a very good chance it will directly or indirectly influence a turnover or two. The key is no coverage breakdowns. No freebies down the field and I really like our chances.

yeah good point and I'll add if we put 25 shots on him he might not finish the game.

 

[orangecuse]

He's def run more on designed runs this year than running out of panic.

I think folks are having a hard time adjusting to the idea that he's gotten better at the things they already had an opinion on.

Oh, and the big hit he took vs Albany he was sliding as he was hit. It should have been a penalty, IMO

EDIT: With Shrader, there will be more running only teams will not be sitting on any long throws. So lots of dudes in the box. Much tougher. I think this is one of the reasons why Dino is rolling with TD.

Hmm. Or, perhaps those folks watched our O/Tommy struggle immensely (again) against the only opponent to date that we have played worth half a darn. Ohio U and Albany are extremely BAD football teams, and our O struggled against OU quite a bit. It was 12-6 at the half, and it was the brilliant running of Tucker that finally gave us some separation.

So, perhaps folks "having a hard time adjusting" has more to do with seeing how this rodeo has played out over the past few seasons. And, until TD actually proves he can lead (as a QB needs to) us to victories against considerably higher/quality opponents, and/or P5 teams, let alone consistently, those folks are simply taking a "show me" type approach.

 

[TheCusian]

Completely impossible since neither you or I know what was called.

I sense the planning/construction of a straw man argument.

EDIT: There is also evidence that the coaches don't entirely trust his judgement because they've quit running Dino's tempo offense. Which, by the way, is one of the very few aspects of his scheme that I like.

There were anonymous coaches preseason hinting that it had been figured out. It has nothing to do with TD.

 

[TheCusian]

Hmm. Or, perhaps those folks watched our O/Tommy struggle immensely (again) against the only opponent to date that we have played worth half a darn. Ohio U and Albany are extremely BAD football teams, and our O struggled against OU quite a bit. It was 12-6 at the half, and it was the brilliant running of Tucker that finally gave us some separation.

So, perhaps folks "having a hard time adjusting" has more to do with seeing how this rodeo has played out over the past few seasons. And, until TD actually proves he can lead (as a QB needs to) us to victories against considerably higher/quality opponents, and/or P5 teams, let alone consistently, those folks are simply taking a "show me" type approach.

Maybe. I think it’s an OL thing, primarily.

The nice thing is we’re likely to find out. Happy to eat crow if I’m wrong.

 

[TheCusian]

Hmm. Or, perhaps those folks watched our O/Tommy struggle immensely (again) against the only opponent to date that we have played worth half a darn. Ohio U and Albany are extremely BAD football teams, and our O struggled against OU quite a bit. It was 12-6 at the half, and it was the brilliant running of Tucker that finally gave us some separation.

So, perhaps folks "having a hard time adjusting" has more to do with seeing how this rodeo has played out over the past few seasons. And, until TD actually proves he can lead (as a QB needs to) us to victories against considerably higher/quality opponents, and/or P5 teams, let alone consistently, those folks are simply taking a "show me" type approach.

And, I don’t think they are taking a “show me” approach. That sounds unbiased and open to the idea he could get it done. That’s not been the tenor around here in the pro-GS crowd, IMO.

 

[Chip]

Seems to me that going fast at this point means running up to the line and checking the numbers outside to see if we can throw it out there quickly. If yes, we do it, if not, we stop and look to the sideline. I don't see where we do anything else, run the ball, or any other pass play.

Don't know if that's because of Gilbert, or Tommy, or Dino or what it is.

But on the bright side, it's better that the days of McF***it running the bubble screen when we had 1 blocker responsible for 3 defenders at the same time.

Would be good if Jackson could be the Phillips type, but if Taj is playing slot, and a TE has to help with pass pro, then we have too many cooks in that kitchen.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[CuseCrew08]

Our d is faster than it’s been in the past. Looking at his line from Troy is interesting. He was sacked 5 times and ran TWENTY times for 93. If we can match that, I think we’re in good shape. And if we put 25 shots on him, there’s a very good chance it will directly or indirectly influence a turnover or two. The key is no coverage breakdowns. No freebies down the field and I really like our chances.

I watched the Troy Liberty game a couple times. Out of his 20 runs 50% or so were Read Option/ Wildcat style design runs, and 50% were Troy getting pressure, Malik escaping contain or and arm tackle, and making the most of what was available, think Dungey.

He also takes a lot of hits, he is not the most elusive QB, but is very hard to take down. Doesn't get out of bounds or slide much at all.

 

[Apdaly]

I watched the Troy Liberty game a couple times. Out of his 20 runs 50% or so were Read Option/ Wildcat style design runs, and 50% were Troy getting pressure, Malik escaping contain or and arm tackle, and making the most of what was available, think Dungey.

He also takes a lot of hits, he is not the most elusive QB, but is very hard to take down. Doesn't get out of bounds or slide much at all.

Looks a little loose with the ball when running too. Against Troy ball squirted out a couple times, not a fumble Bc he was down first but could be something to watch.

 

[CinciFlame]

Greetings from a Liberty fan. Good discussion on the game so I thought I would give just a little more info on Liberty’s season.

On offense we have everyone back from last year. One rb that played in the Syracuse game hit the portal b/c of a lack of playing time. We’ve added a transfer RB from Utah that has played really well for us.

The D lost a lb from last year. We’ve picked up a few solid portal kids on that side of the ball. 3 transfers are starting over kids that started last year in the Syracuse game.

The Troy game was a mess for Liberty and I’m shocked we won. Due to COVID and injuries we were down 7-8 starters. The OL was hit hard, a 3rd string tackle had to play and he wasn’t ready. Our best pass rusher was also out that game along with a couple more major contributors.

Liberty’s D line is VERY good. Big, fast and strong guys up front. That’s probably where the team has improved the most.

I believe Freeze will have the team ready to play. He does a great job at motivating his players. What worries me as a Liberty fan is I’m sure Syracuse is also going to be ready to play and remember the game from last year.

I believe Liberty will be able to score. We’re pretty healthy again. The key to the game will be the Syracuse O vs the Liberty D. I see a 31-21 type game for Liberty. A to could be the difference.

Can’t wait till Friday and best of luck the rest of the way.

 

[rrlbees]

Hmm. Or, perhaps those folks watched our O/Tommy struggle immensely (again) against the only opponent to date that we have played worth half a darn. Ohio U and Albany are extremely BAD football teams, and our O struggled against OU quite a bit. It was 12-6 at the half, and it was the brilliant running of Tucker that finally gave us some separation.

So, perhaps folks "having a hard time adjusting" has more to do with seeing how this rodeo has played out over the past few seasons. And, until TD actually proves he can lead (as a QB needs to) us to victories against considerably higher/quality opponents, and/or P5 teams, let alone consistently, those folks are simply taking a "show me" type approach.

tommy was 7/8 when Babers went to his pregame script.

 

[CousCuse]

I watched the Troy Liberty game a couple times. Out of his 20 runs 50% or so were Read Option/ Wildcat style design runs, and 50% were Troy getting pressure, Malik escaping contain or and arm tackle, and making the most of what was available, think Dungey.

He also takes a lot of hits, he is not the most elusive QB, but is very hard to take down. Doesn't get out of bounds or slide much at all.

What is the best Liberty board to visit for fan discussions?

 

[rocklloyd]

Ah, Syracuse Lore.

Meanwhile, good QBs who run and pass well, do it vs most everyone. That's what makes them good.

nah, we make stars out of people. They have career games.

 

[JustPherU]

The good news - the team, unfortunately, probably has this game circled on the calendar because of the way it went last season.
The bad news - under no circumstances, ever, should Syracuse football have Liberty circled on the calendar for 'payback'. How the mighty have fallen.

The Mighty?Lets be honest, Syracuse hasn’t been in the “Mighty” category in 60 years

 

[donniesyracuse]

nah, we make stars out of people. They have career games.

Who else?

 

[orangecuse]

tommy was 7/8 when Babers went to his pregame script.

Uh-huh. And, it was 0-0 on the home team scoreboard.

 

[CinciFlame]

What is the best Liberty board to visit for fan discussions?

A sea of red