Marrone ... Gone...NOT Gone

[gmoney44]

So do most people in every job everywhere. If they’re able to. Or they stay at their job miserable and make everyone else miserable around them. All this handwringing because he left a job to upgrade his position is silly, given that most of this board has done the same thing.

I told McDonalds it was my dream job in my interview. Ronald is still a little upset when I left to go off to college.

the only ones that blow smoke about being loyal are usually the same people that have got no where to go. People that get shyte done are always in demand and have options.

 

[sufandu]

The worst was when people here were mad at him for taking his OC with him.

It's absolutely crazy a coach would take his staff with him when he leaves. You know who else is a jerk? That Babers guy. I heard he took everyone when he left Bowling Green... and he didn't even coach their bowl game. At least that Marrone punk did that. Can you believe a guy would prioritize his new employer that gave him a big pay raise like that? The nerve of him.

 

[OrangePA]

FWIW, I always feel the need to mention that I never faulted Marrone for leaving SU for the NFL. Who wouldn’t do that? What I found lousy and unforgivable was him utterly gutting our staff as he left. That was a choice and it stunk.

That story is at best overstated.

In fact Shafer wanted to put together his own staff.

 

[tipphill]

I would argue that given the context of the situation he came into, he recruited fairly well. We say we aren’t going to get big time players now, yet say Marrone didn’t recruit well even though his conditions were far worse to try to recruit with.

can someone refreshh my memory -- i thought he had a good class coming in when he left and then many bailed out ---

 

[MadNY3]

That story is at best overstated.

In fact Shafer wanted to put together his own staff.

Who was he forced to retain, especially after Hackett bolted?

 

[Alsacs]

If Dr. Gross truly knew Marrone was going to the NFL after the 2013 the mistake was not being prepared for the jump and back channeling with potential HCs.
Steve Addaizo isn’t great but he would have been a lot better hire than Scott Shafer.
Instead Marrone left and we hired Shafer. I don’t blame Hackett or any assistant coach for leaving. It’s not like Marrone’s staff was exceptional or irreplaceable we hired an in over his head HC and he hired mid major coaches to replace Marrone’s staff and we went downhill.

Marrone didn’t have the best facilities and he could gameplan with the best at a college level but he was never going to get the horses we needed to compete at the top of college football.

 

[qdawgg]

the only ones that blow smoke about being loyal are usually the same people that have got no where to go. People that get shyte done are always in demand and have options.

So you’re also describing Marrone because he’s now been a HC for 2 NFL teams which is the highest level of coaching you can attain to.

 

[MadNY3]

If Dr. Gross truly knew Marrone was going to the NFL after the 2013 the mistake was not being prepared for the jump and back channeling with potential HCs.
Steve Addaizo isn’t great but he would have been a lot better hire than Scott Shafer.
Instead Marrone left and we hired Shafer. I don’t blame Hackett or any assistant coach for leaving. It’s not like Marrone’s staff was exceptional or irreplaceable we hired an in over his head HC and he hired mid major coaches to replace Marrone’s staff and we went downhill.

Marrone didn’t have the best facilities and he could gameplan with the best at a college level but he was never going to get the horses we needed to compete at the top of college football.

Marrone bolted at an odd time. One can blame Gross for a number of things, but not this one, IMO.

 

[Alsacs]

Marrone bolted at an odd time. One can blame Gross for a number of things, but not this one, IMO.

Several posters with knowledge said Marrone leaving for the NFL was pretty well known at the AD level.
Our problem was Gross spent like a drunk sailor and the AD was high in debt and so Gross wasn’t prepared to spent for a new FB HC and so he was going to go cheap. He had two options Shafer or Hackett and chose Shafer thinking Hackett would stay which was stupid as anybody with a brain would feel jilted in that scenario and look to find a better spot which Hackett did with Marrone as an NFL coordinator.

Marrone’s departure didn’t catch the AD off guard. They just use the excuse it was late in process as cover for the cheap hire. Gross screwed that up.

Scott Shafer should have never been the HC after Doug Marrone.

 

[sufandu]

Who was he forced to retain, especially after Hackett bolted?

I don't think he was forced to retain anyone. The point is, if Shafer wanted to put together his own staff, the assertion that Marrone screwed us by taking everyone with him is inaccurate.

 

[gmoney44]

So you’re also describing Marrone because he’s now been a HC for 2 NFL teams which is the highest level of coaching you can attain to.

Im talking about the fans on this board that cry he wasn’t loyal. In my opinion loyalty is both ways. When someone can get more money, responsibility, opportunity, etc. they have every right to bounce.

 

[MadNY3]

I don't think he was forced to retain anyone. The point is, if Shafer wanted to put together his own staff, the assertion that Marrone screwed us by taking everyone with him is inaccurate.

OrangePA never makes stuff up, though. I may not always agree with him, but he likely has some insight. Intrigued.

 

[sufandu]

OrangePA never makes stuff up, though. I may not always agree with him, but he likely has some insight. Intrigued.

Sure. What OrangePA said does nothing to imply that Shafer was being forced to retain anyone. It just lessens the validity of the opinion that has been in the board that Marrone screwed us over by taking everyine with him.

 

[Alsacs]

Sure. What OrangePA said does nothing to imply that Shafer was being forced to retain anyone. It just lessens the validity of the opinion that has been in the board that Marrone screwed us over by taking everyine with him.

Honestly who do people think Marrone took that screwed us?
Rob Moore wasn’t a good recruiter. He was okay as WR coach.

Tyrone Wheatley wasn’t staying here.
Hackett didn’t get the HC job why would he want to work for Shafer when he was a Marrone guy:

People complained it was late in the process and that was true but Dr. Gross was never going to spend a real HC. The only guy I think we could have got would have been Steve Addaizo from Temple if that is whom we wanted.

Gross probably saved the AD money going from Marrone as HC to Shafer as HC and that is all he cares about at that time.

Marrone was a surly guy who wasn’t rah rah but he didn’t screw Syracuse football he got an NFL job. Gross screwed it up.

 

[dasher]

How come no one ever says that Coach Mac screwed Syracuse? He also took ass'ts with him. Last I looked, he did the exact same thing that Marrone did. And we hired a ass't coach that no one else was going to give a Head Coaching job to.

 

[sufandu]

How come no one ever says that Coach Mac screwed Syracuse? He also took ass'ts with him. Last I looked, he did the exact same thing that Marrone did. And we hired a ass't coach that no one else was going to give a Head Coaching job to.

1987 bought him a pass.

It's sad to me that he didn't end up doing much after he left. Had he stuck around, the success through the '90's would have been part of his legacy, which would have put him in the company of some really good names.

 

[Scooch]

Since I brought it up... Marrone took 4 coaches with him to Buffalo: Hackett, Adkins, Wheatley and Henderson. Needless to say, maybe all of them would have left anyway. It just left a bad taste in my mouth that not only did Marrone leave at a time when all of the better HC candidates had long since been plucked by other programs, but that he compounded it by taking almost half his SU staff with him... at a time when all the good assistant candidates were also long since committed to other programs.

I’m not interested in relitigating Scott Shafer’s hire and tenure. That’s separate from my point.

 

[OrangeDW]

Since I brought it up... Marrone took 4 coaches with him to Buffalo: Hackett, Adkins, Wheatley and Henderson. Needless to say, maybe all of them would have left anyway. It just left a bad taste in my mouth that not only did Marrone leave at a time when all of the better HC candidates had long since been plucked by other programs, but that he compounded it by taking almost half his SU staff with him... at a time when all the good assistant candidates were also long since committed to other programs.

I’m not interested in relitigating Scott Shafer’s hire and tenure. That’s separate from my point.

He didn’t kidnap them, as far as I know. They wanted to go. He gave them a better opportunity.

 

[Scooch]

He didn’t kidnap them, as far as I know. They wanted to go. He gave them a better opportunity.

Yes, this is true. And I don’t blame them at all for leaving. I’m saying, again, that while I don’t blame Marrone for taking an NFL gig, the timing and manner in which he did it totally screwed SU.

I don’t care about Doug Marrone, and I don’t care about the Buffalo Bills. I care about SU football. The way Marrone left harmed SU football. That’s all I care about.

 

[orangeinohio]

How come no one ever says that Coach Mac screwed Syracuse? He also took ass'ts with him. Last I looked, he did the exact same thing that Marrone did. And we hired a ass't coach that no one else was going to give a Head Coaching job to.

I think he only took Ivan Fears and Norm Gerber with him. The scale of the impact was less.
Plus, it was Coach Mac.
And it was before social media outrage.

 

[MadNY3]

How come no one ever says that Coach Mac screwed Syracuse? He also took ass'ts with him. Last I looked, he did the exact same thing that Marrone did. And we hired a ass't coach that no one else was going to give a Head Coaching job to.

I think he only took Ivan Fears and Norm Gerber with him. The scale of the impact was less.
Plus, it was Coach Mac.
And it was before social media outrage.

Coach Mac was a native New Englander who was offeredwhat had to be his dream job.

Marrone spurned what was his dream job at a more odd time.

Oh, and Mac was loveable. Marrone was...not.

 

[Rocco]

Will never understand how people can bash Marrone on here. Yes, he left after the infamous "dream job" statement, but guess what? You take an NFL job when they come calling. What would've been worse is if he took the UNC or U of Tenn jobs in 2010.

The guy made some lemonade out of lemons when he got here. Sure he wasn't a peachy guy and he hated recruiting, but he came here to win games and I'd say he exceeded expectations. I mean going 8-5 in year 2 after what GRob did to this program for 4 years is impressive.

Can only imagine what some of you are like at cocktail parties.

 

[Fat tire 13]

I guess this article didn't age well...I remember it being on the magazine cover too

ESPN The Magazine - Friendliest Football Coach in America

Who'd make a voice mail for a lowly fan -- twice? This guy.

www.espn.com

 

[kirbivore]

1987 bought him a pass.

It's sad to me that he didn't end up doing much after he left. Had he stuck around, the success through the '90's would have been part if his legacy, which would have put him in the company of some really good names.

Didn't P's first season end with a HOF Bowl victory over tOSU on New Year's Day? Finishing on that high note erased any potential ill will for Mac.

 

[Scooch]

How come no one ever says that Coach Mac screwed Syracuse? He also took ass'ts with him. Last I looked, he did the exact same thing that Marrone did. And we hired a ass't coach that no one else was going to give a Head Coaching job to.

I think he only took Ivan Fears and Norm Gerber with him. The scale of the impact was less.
Plus, it was Coach Mac.
And it was before social media outrage.

Mac left SU in tremendous shape. He had recruited remarkably well in the late 80s and the program was stocked with talent all over the field. He also had a staff full of potential replacements. And, of course, the guy who did replace him went on to have an 8 year run that was (a) better than the run Mac had, and (b) as good as any HC in SU history aside from Coach Ben.

Exactly none of that applies to Marrone.