Marrone

[shandeezy7]

The Bills will forever be haunted by the curse of Doug Flutie after they benched him in favor of the quarterback of the future.

https://www.change.org/p/doug-flutie-lift-your-flutie-curse-on-the-buffalo-bills

 

[Millhouse]

There's usually only 2-3 teams at the most where Week 17 is truly meaningless. As a glass half full Bills fan, I say it's a 9-7 season and it's good to finally win at Foxboro. No matter how. As a voting member of Marrone Sainthood, I think calling it a "winning team" is overstating it a bit. He took a 6 win team and in two years made it into what I would call an 8 win team. At least that's how I'd look at it if I were an owner trying to decide who my next head coach is going to be. And not something I could hand out wings for.

Long term coach might've played Manuel and lost. Can't have that, nine wins means so much to people who haven't seen a bills game in four years

 

[Statesman1]

Long term coach might've played Manuel and lost. Can't have that, nine wins means so much to people who haven't seen a bills game in four years

I love Bills fan and the attempts at rationalizing being rejected by a mediocre coach. Even mediocre coaches can do better than Buffalo.

 

[Millhouse]

I love Bills fan and the attempts at rationalizing being rejected by a mediocre coach. Even mediocre coaches can do better than Buffalo.

What are you talking about. I would've done exactly what marrone did. I'm thrilled

 

[orangenirvana]

It's a miracle when there's only one non-Marrone winning season in the last 15. There is talent in Buffalo, I agree with you. There was also a lot of talent missing. And a whole lot of other talented teams, too. There's talent to be middling in the NFL, but there are no proven receivers, no consistent QB (Though, maybe I'm being harsh on Orton. It's a tough situation to be thrown into.), in a division with the Pats and arguably the best QB of all time, a strong AFC. There were a lot of things holding the Bills back, in my opinion, this season. With the team, the out of division schedule being tough, I thought 9 wins was a good showing. I don't think anyone other than Bills fans would have thought they'd be leaps and bounds better than last year. I was surprised they had a winning record. Every publication -- SI, ESPN, USA Today -- that I've seen had the Bills in last place, with a losing record. Where's all the talent that you're seeing that 99% of people are missing? Why do you refuse to give Doug any credit for making a winning team out of the laughing stock of the NFL in just 2 seasons?

Every publication always have the Bills in last place with a losing record. That doesn't mean anything.

I didn't think they'd be "leaps and bounds better" but if you had told me that Schwartz would lead the defense to a Top 5 finish and whoever is QB would have a passer rating of 88, I would have thought with good game management from the HC that 12 or 13 wins would be possible and anything short of 10 or 11 wins would be a disappointment. And it was.

And I don't refuse to give Marrone any credit. He's not a terrible coach - he does some good things. Like I said, he seems to have an eye for DC talent. I like his training camps, very organized and jams a lot into them. He seems to be doing something right with regard to strength and conditioning considering his teams didn't suffer very many injuries.

But he also does some not good things that held the team back this season. And yet, I didn't want him fired. I wanted him to make changes to the offensive staff and give up the power he had over the offense. And he wasn't fired. He quit on his own. But I'm sure as hell not going to lose sleep at night over his departure, either.

 

[Scooch]

I'm no Bills fan and I get the rationale. It's just that I've seen you and a few others call it 8 like it's a factual thing. You can't just subtract wins because the other team didn't care/need it...that happens every year with a bunch of teams in week 17.

It's cool. I only make that distinction because I find it funny that some of the same people who scream "context!" when someone calls Marrone a .500 college coach also conveniently forget context when they claim he turned a "dismal" team into one with a "winning record".

 

[orangenirvana]

I love Bills fan and the attempts at rationalizing being rejected by a mediocre coach. Even mediocre coaches can do better than Buffalo.

Are you related to Marrone? You must be. I hope you are, otherwise you're just very strange.

 

[Statesman1]

Are you related to Marrone? You must be. I hope you are, otherwise you're just very strange.

Huh? No need to get personal. I just find Bills fan psychology to be interesting-15 years of sucking and all those close calls on the Super Bowls has warped their perspective- on the one hand Marrone is a bum and good riddance, and yet they hate the guy for jilting them and exercising an option in his contract that he fairly and wisely negotiated given the age and health of the owner. Bills fan is incapable of grasping that this is a business first to the people involved in it and take everything personally, as if Marrone just walked out on his wife and kids instead of what it was- leaving a job (Marrone is hardly the first to leave that city) for a better opportunity. So in order to rationalize their hurt feelings Bills fan must diminish Marrone's accomplishments. Personally I think the guy deserves credit for resuscitating SU and giving the Bills a 9 win season. Doesn't mean he's Lombardi but it's better than either program has seen in a long time. Bills fan despises him for that, and as an SU/Giants fan living in WNY that seems a bit absurd to me. Apparently you feel my objectivity about the guy makes me "strange" or a blood relative. Neither is true, but thanks for weighing in anyway.

 

[Statesman1]

What are you talking about. I would've done exactly what marrone did. I'm thrilled

Really? How are you thrilled? Are you thrilled he's gone or are you thrilled Marrone took advantage of his contract? Please enlighten me.

 

[Millhouse]

Really? How are you thrilled? Are you thrilled he's gone or are you thrilled Marrone took advantage of his contract? Please enlighten me.

I'm thrilled the bills have a chance to get someone better. They might get someone worse. I'm ok with that. I want to have great seasons. Marrone isn't smart enough for that. I don't feel jilted, that type of free money can't be refused. Brandon have him no choice really

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Huh? No need to get personal. I just find SYRACUSE fan psychology to be interesting- on the one hand Marrone is a bum and good riddance, and yet they hate the guy for jilting them. Syracuse fan is incapable of grasping that this is a business first to the people involved in it and take everything personally, as if Marrone just walked out on his wife and kids instead of what it was- leaving a job (Marrone is hardly the first to leave that city) for a better opportunity. So in order to rationalize their hurt feelings Syracuse fan must diminish Marrone's accomplishments. Personally I think the guy deserves credit for resuscitating SU.

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[Statesman1]

I'm thrilled the bills have a chance to get someone better. They might get someone worse. I'm ok with that. I want to have great seasons. Marrone isn't smart enough for that. I don't feel jilted, that type of free money can't be refused. Brandon have him no choice really

There's always a choice. I fault Pigula more for letting it get that far- but if I'm Marrone and I get a lukewarm response from the new owner I take the free $4 million and bolt too. Only time will tell if the Bills can get someone better but odds are not in their favor. I felt like the Bills had turned the corner this year but only time will tell if the Pigulas have any idea what they are doing.

 

[Statesman1]

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Yes lots of similarities in the fan base's and the reaction to Marrone's departure.

 

[xc84]

Every publication always have the Bills in last place with a losing record. That doesn't mean anything.

I didn't think they'd be "leaps and bounds better" but if you had told me that Schwartz would lead the defense to a Top 5 finish and whoever is QB would have a passer rating of 88, I would have thought with good game management from the HC that 12 or 13 wins would be possible and anything short of 10 or 11 wins would be a disappointment. And it was.

Silly. In the NFL, it is all about good QBs. Having one with a rating of 88 ain't going to get you 12-13 wins. The Colts are a great example of why a good QB is critical. And you keep arguing how disappointing Marrone's coaching is as he is wooed by the Jets and other teams to coach their teams.

 

[Millhouse]

There's always a choice. I fault Pigula more for letting it get that far- but if I'm Marrone and I get a lukewarm response from the new owner I take the free $4 million and bolt too. Only time will tell if the Bills can get someone better but odds are not in their favor. I felt like the Bills had turned the corner this year but only time will tell if the Pigulas have any idea what they are doing.

Marrone's not worth four mil more than his replacement. Pegula would have had to pay him that extra four mil to keep him

Lukewarm is as good as it was going to get for anyone who actually watched that season

 

[Millhouse]

Silly. In the NFL, it is all about good QBs. Having one with a rating of 88 ain't going to get you 12-13 wins. The Colts are a great example of why a good QB is critical. And you keep arguing how disappointing Marrone's coaching is as he is wooed by the Jets and other teams to coach their teams.

With a great defense it can

No run blocking and lots of bad kicks

 

[orangenirvana]

Huh? No need to get personal. I just find Bills fan psychology to be interesting-15 years of sucking and all those close calls on the Super Bowls has warped their perspective- on the one hand Marrone is a bum and good riddance, and yet they hate the guy for jilting them and exercising an option in his contract that he fairly and wisely negotiated given the age and health of the owner. Bills fan is incapable of grasping that this is a business first to the people involved in it and take everything personally, as if Marrone just walked out on his wife and kids instead of what it was- leaving a job (Marrone is hardly the first to leave that city) for a better opportunity. So in order to rationalize their hurt feelings Bills fan must diminish Marrone's accomplishments. Personally I think the guy deserves credit for resuscitating SU and giving the Bills a 9 win season. Doesn't mean he's Lombardi but it's better than either program has seen in a long time. Bills fan despises him for that, and as an SU/Giants fan living in WNY that seems a bit absurd to me. Apparently you feel my objectivity about the guy makes me "strange" or a blood relative. Neither is true, but thanks for weighing in anyway.

No one said he is a bum and no one said they hated the guy for getting out. I have said just the opposite. But nice generalizations. And yes it is a bit strange the way you obsess over Marrone and Bills fans.

 

[orangenirvana]

Silly. In the NFL, it is all about good QBs. Having one with a rating of 88 ain't going to get you 12-13 wins. The Colts are a great example of why a good QB is critical. And you keep arguing how disappointing Marrone's coaching is as he is wooed by the Jets and other teams to coach their teams.

I would have settled for 10 or 11 wins. With the first or second best team in the league that should be the expectation. Unless something is holding it back.

Btw what was Andy Luck's passer rating last season?

Wooed by the Jets? Oh, I take everything back!

 

[Statesman1]

Marrone's not worth four mil more than his replacement. Pegula would have had to pay him that extra four mil to keep him

Lukewarm is as good as it was going to get for anyone who actually watched that season

That makes no sense. Pigula will now pay Marrone $4million in addition to whatever the new guy makes. Good luck with the coaching/qb search and sorting out the front office. I'm very confident given the Pigulas track record turning around the Sabres that they can repeat that same magic with the Bills. As for Marrone, I'm in agreement with the other NFL GM's lining him up to be interviewed who are not lukewarm on the guy, even though I watched plenty of Bills games this year.

 

[Statesman1]

No one said he is a bum and no one said they hated the guy for getting out. I have said just the opposite. But nice generalizations. And yes it is a bit strange the way you obsess over Marrone and Bills fans.

Please it's a thread titled "Marrone" and I've offered my unbiased opinion and observations on Bills fans reaction to his exit. You keep using the word "obsessing" - I do not think you know what it means, but living amongst Bills Fan as I do that is hardly a surprise.

 

[Rocco]

As a Bills fan, I pray you're right.

Do you honestly think the Bills are going to find anyone better right now? He led them to their first winning season since 2004, and was a few plays away from going 11-5 this year and playoff-bound. He has no QB (albeit he had a large say in drafting Manuel), but he was able to win games with one of the worst offenses in the league. His defense was great and you can thank him for bringing in Schwartz, who was an upgrade over Pettine. If given the extension, which is all he wanted for him and his assistants, I think he would've had the bills as legit playoff contenders by next season or 2016. That organization is a joke, and there's no arguing that, and they finally had the CEO-type coach that frankly they needed.

The Jets will own the Bills when he ends up there. I hope the haters like the taste of crow.

 

[Statesman1]

I would have settled for 10 or 11 wins. With the first or second best team in the league that should be the expectation. Unless something is holding it back.

Btw what was Andy Luck's passer rating last season?

Wooed by the Jets? Oh, I take everything back!

Well I'm glad you would have "settled" for the Bills best record since 1999. I guess Marrone has been holding the team back for 15 years then too. Do you actually watch any of the games? I'm not sure where Bills Fan gets these warped expectations- your team isn't that good and hasn't been for a very long time. That kind of suckitude takes real effort. It's like you live in an alternate reality where the Bills had talent on both sides of the ball and were making Super Bowl runs every year. Oh wait that did happen- twenty years ago! - Getting to 9 wins was a very good accomplishment for this team, but whatever. Enjoy your familiar surroundings in the bottom of the AFC East while your team starts another rebuild.

 

[Millhouse]

http://www.thedrawplay.com/comic/why-doug-marrone-left/

 

[Millhouse]

Well I'm glad you would have "settled" for the Bills best record since 1999. I guess Marrone has been holding the team back for 15 years then too. Do you actually watch any of the games? I'm not sure where Bills Fan gets these warped expectations- your team isn't that good and hasn't been for a very long time. That kind of suckitude takes real effort. It's like you live in an alternate reality where the Bills had talent on both sides of the ball and were making Super Bowl runs every year. Oh wait that did happen- twenty years ago! - Getting to 9 wins was a very good accomplishment for this team, but whatever. Enjoy your familiar surroundings in the bottom of the AFC East while your team starts another rebuild.

This isn't Spanish soccer. The nfl has revenue sharing and salary cap. You act like the bills should be happy to avoid relegation. Easy for you to say because you clearly don't have a rooting interest

 

[CousCuse]

Whaley won the power struggle and it is his team now , and EJ was his pick at QB , so own it.