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New Assistant Strength Coach: Keith Caton

Frozen said:
SU didn't poach. He was fired by IU.

IU looking for new strength and conditioning coach
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And where do you get that from that article? Sobol announced he was leaving on 12/24 to join Lewis at Kent State. That article was written on 12/29. Doesn't take that long to reach out and hire someone.

And please don't tell me you are getting it from the posts on that article..that's like reading some of the things posted on this forum.
 
CuseLegacy said:
And where do you get that from that article? Sobol announced he was leaving on 12/24 to join Lewis at Kent State. That article was written on 12/29. Doesn't take that long to reach out and hire someone.

And please don't tell me you are getting it from the posts on that article..that's like reading some of the things posted on this forum.
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Indiana reportedly dismisses strength and conditioning coach
 
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Frozen said:
Indiana reportedly dismisses strength and conditioning coach
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He was a hold over from.the previous HC. The new HC let him go.
SPECULATION:

Likely a clash between personalities or a clash in philosophies. The new HC praised him for being a family man but no comment on his job performance.

ASSESSMENT:

HCDB has been successful in most of his hires, not concerned. Glad to have him on our team.
 
sufandu said:
So they took our RB coach because we couldn't pay him as much as them. Now we've poached their S&C coach. That's interesting and makes me wonder about a few things.

1. Are we paying him more than IU?

2. If so, does that mean we place more importance on S&C than IU.

2a. Why would IU be willing to pay more than us for a RB coach but not a S&C coach.

3. If he took a pay cut, why? Does Edinger have a reputation where guys are willing to make financial sacrifices to learn from him?
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All good questions and I found it interesting also that he came from IU. Did Dino go and get him bc of past relationships? Oooor, was $$$ also part of the decision? Because, you have to believe that salaries at the P5 level are congruent across the board. No??
 
Ish88888 said:
All good questions and I found it interesting also that he came from IU. Did Dino go and get him bc of past relationships? Oooor, was $$$ also part of the decision? Because, you have to believe that salaries at the P5 level are congruent across the board. No??
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if you forget the sec i think there comparable
 
Ish88888 said:
All good questions and I found it interesting also that he came from IU. Did Dino go and get him bc of past relationships? Oooor, was $$$ also part of the decision? Because, you have to believe that salaries at the P5 level are congruent across the board. No??
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I don't know. Babers all but stated Hart went to Indiana for a substantial pay increase that we couldn't match.
 
sufandu said:
I don't know. Babers all but stated Hart went to Indiana for a substantial pay increase that we chose not to match.
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FIFY.

I've seen times when co-workers or colleagues went to another gig for a lot more $, and I was flabbergasted that anybody would pay them that much, since they were not particularly good at their current job.

I'm not saying that's the case w/ Hart, but - he certainly wasn't unreplaceable, and perhaps Dino felt that the $ needed to match IU's offer would be better spent elsewhere.
 
721Comstock said:
FIFY.

I've seen times when co-workers or colleagues went to another gig for a lot more $, and I was flabbergasted that anybody would pay them that much, since they were not particularly good at their current job.

I'm not saying that's the case w/ Hart, but - he certainly wasn't unreplaceable, and perhaps Dino felt that the $ needed to match IU's offer would be better spent elsewhere.
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Dino worded it as couldn't. Maybe that was for just for the public, but if that were the case, I don't think he would've even suggested money was a factor when Hart left. He would've just said something generic.
 
I think this is a grand slam hire. I don't think we could have hired anyone better. He was Baylors number 2 when they were great. His focus is on lifting. If you watch his videos he is exactly what we need. He is the perfect compliment to Edinger.
 
OrangeFast said:
I think this is a grand slam hire. I don't think we could have hired anyone better. He was Baylors number 2 when they were great. His focus is on lifting. If you watch his videos he is exactly what we need. He is the perfect compliment to Edinger.
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So did the Dooley hiring fall through?
 
Here's what I know about Mike Hart- Two days before he took the job at Indiana he was telling his close friends that he didn't want to raise his family in central New York.
I know it was much more than the money that caused him to leave CNY and SU.
 
sufandu said:
Dino worded it as couldn't. Maybe that was for just for the public, but if that were the case, I don't think he would've even suggested money was a factor when Hart left. He would've just said something generic.
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The real question is "what does 'couldn't' mean?."

In a vacuum, Syracuse University absolutely 'can' pay Hart more than he is making at Indiana, as 'can' SU AD. Syracuse University has a massive budget and an endowment that's over $1B. SUAD makes $80-90 MM per year + donations + payouts from its endowment. Both 'can' swing a couple hundred thousand dollars.

The issue is that we don't live in a vacuum. Every decision has costs. It could very well be that Hart brings more to IU than SU, so the trade offs that we would have to make to clear up the resources that IU would be willing to devote to Hart aren't worth it.

The exact opposite situation could exist with another coach.

I'm not sure that Mike's departure means too much about the financial strength of our program compared to theirs. And honestly, I don't think that he was a bad coach, but it's not like he is irreplaceable. And the fact that he was from here, but went to Michigan was a little awkward. My guess is that he has more comfort and name recognition in B1G land than ACC land.
 
nzm136 said:
The real question is "what does 'couldn't' mean?."

In a vacuum, Syracuse University absolutely 'can' pay Hart more than he is making at Indiana, as 'can' SU AD. Syracuse University has a massive budget and an endowment that's over $1B. SUAD makes $80-90 MM per year + donations + payouts from its endowment. Both 'can' swing a couple hundred thousand dollars.

The issue is that we don't live in a vacuum. Every decision has costs. It could very well be that Hart brings more to IU than SU, so the trade offs that we would have to make to clear up the resources that IU would be willing to devote to Hart aren't worth it.

The exact opposite situation could exist with another coach.

I'm not sure that Mike's departure means too much about the financial strength of our program compared to theirs. And honestly, I don't think that he was a bad coach, but it's not like he is irreplaceable. And the fact that he was from here, but went to Michigan was a little awkward. My guess is that he has more comfort and name recognition in B1G land than ACC land.
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There will never be a penny paid out of the endowment to athletics at SU. Non-starter.

I know that's not your main point, but to say they could pay a coach out of the endowment just won't happen. I'm pretty sure that is true for most schools.
 
orange79 said:
There will never be a penny paid out of the endowment to athletics at SU. Non-starter.

I know that's not your main point, but to say they could pay a coach out of the endowment just won't happen. I'm pretty sure that is true for most schools.
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This isn't true if you want to get technical. Money is fungible. Increased endowment spend in one area can impact the athletic tax (or subsidy) indirectly, which directly impacts how much money the AD can pay coaches.

I'm also pretty sure that Cal used the general endowment as collateral against which their AD borrowed, allowing the AD to get a better rate, which in turn impacted the quality of investments (i.e. coaching hires) they can afford to make.

And lastly, it's a metric of overall strength, that's largely driven by donations, which absolutely does impact coaching salaries and hires.
 
Syracuse Assistant AD for Athletic Performance Sean Edinger announced today that Keith Caton has joined the Orange staff as an assistant strength and conditioning coach for football. Caton comes to Syracuse after serving as the director of athletic performance for football at Indiana from 2016-17.

"We're excited to welcome Keith into our Syracuse family," Edinger said. "He has an outstanding background and has proven himself as a respected leader in this industry. The knowledge and experience he possesses will greatly benefit our program and our players."

Caton has worked 14 bowl games in his career, including the 2016 Foster Farms Bowl in his first season at Indiana. That year the Hoosiers tied a program record with 12 All-Big Ten performers.

Overall, Caton has 18 years of experience in the profession with additional coaching stops at Baylor (2012-15), Western Kentucky (2011-12, 2004-05), Missouri (2005-10), Elon (2003-04), Auburn (2001-03) and Southern Miss (1999-2001).

Prior to his arrival in Bloomington, Caton was Baylor's director of football for athletic performance. The Bears posted a 40-12 record in his four seasons, including three straight 10-win campaigns.

At Western Kentucky, Caton worked with football for all four years he was there and led all aspects of strength and conditioning programs for baseball and track & field.

Caton was named assistant strength and conditioning director at Missouri in August 2005. In addition, he served as the director of the Mizzou Performance Club, assisted with football and led the design and implementation of programs for baseball and wrestling.

In January 2004, Caton was promoted to head strength and conditioning coach at Elon, where he oversaw the development of all varsity sports.

Caton graduated from Auburn with an educational specialist degree in 2003. While there, he assisted with football, baseball, softball and oversaw equestrian.

A four-year player for the Southern Miss football team from 1995-99, Caton helped the Golden Eagles to two bowl appearances. He remained at the school after his playing days as a strength and conditioning graduate assistant from June 1999 to May 2001. Caton received his undergraduate degree in exercise physiology from Southern Miss in 1999 and his master's in coaching/sports administration from his alma mater in 2001.

In 2016, Caton earned the title of Master Strength and Conditioning Coach from the Collegiate Strength and Conditioning Coaches Association, the highest honor in the profession. He is SCCC certified and also holds a USA Weightlifting Level 1 Sports Performance certification.

A native of Mobile, Ala., Caton and his wife, Adriene, have three children – Kade, Weslie and Kole.

Caton Named Assistant Strength Coach for Football
 
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