#notncaaproperty

[kcsu]

My Son in Law is doing post Doc work at Yale. He doesn't own his work. Yale owns what he develops.

 

[Alsacs]

I think you are underestimating how much cash they would get.

You wouldn’t even be on campus yet and your “endorsements” would be lined up. Kids will go where the biggest base endorsement contracts are and grow their brand from there.

Did you know who Devonta Smith was before the season started last year?
Did you know anything about him?
How much money would he get for endorsements?

I knew he was one of 4 stud Alabama WRs I wouldn’t have been able to pick him out of a lineup if you offered me money.

Endorsements aren’t going to be just given out like candy. The booster wants to win but they aren’t going to give newbies endorsements before the current players. The endorsements won’t even be that much except for the players that could help the company sell a product.

College basketball isn’t going to get players making a lot of money for endorsements the NBA studs are the ones with brand appeal.

It would all be local stuff for moderate money.

The amount of money being flung out isn’t going to be as much as people think. Boosters are already dropping bags. It’s not going to be bad.

 

[Scooch]

I don't think colleges and universities should directly pay players. I believe that would destroy American higher education.

That ship sailed years ago.

I do agree though, I don't want to see colleges paying players like it's NFL free agency. But there is zero reason why these athletes shouldn't be able to profit off of their likeness, endorsements, etc. Yes, there will be some abuses. There are massive abuses of the system we have in place now. But every step towards fairness is a good one.

I'll invoke the same, tired analogy I always use... the students who go to the College of Music aren't prevented from earning money by playing in bands in Armory Square. The students who go to the School of Drama aren't prevented from earning money by acting in a musical put on by a professional theater company. The students in the School of Engineering aren't prevented from launching a start-up and making money from their app being on Google Play. But a student in the School of Arts & Sciences, who also plays basketball, can't make money from his or her jersey being sold in the SU bookstore. It's immensely silly.

 

[UpstateSM]

The problem with blowing the NCAA up is that outside of Division I football and basketball the structure that the NCAA builds provides solid opportunities and experiences for tens of thousands of students. The NCAA does good things but it consistently messes up in the sports that are in the spotlight so it's easy to look past those good things.

The model seems outdated for the revenue sports because there's no way they could have seen it blow up to the levels that it has.

You could argue that revenue sports should break away from the NCAA and form their own entity but then that organization would end up with a list of similar problems because it would be controlled by the same people. I think we should give it some time after NLI is passed and if players aren't cool with owning that right it will be time to explore more extreme options.

 

[orangecuse]

that is true, but student athletes now can be given unlimited meals and snacks by the schools besides the basic 3 meals included in the meal plan part of a scholarship.

over the past few years what an athlete can have/get has significantly increased.

instead of the typical full ride of tuition, room, board, fees and books, schools can now give them the full cost of attendance which covers other things and can range from about $4k-6k a year.

based upon financial need, an athlete can now also get federal grants such as a pell grant even though they are on scholarship. For some, that can be another $6-7k a year.

they also have full medical coverage which is provided for 2 years after they leave school.

they also get a specified number of tickets for games.

they get all the sneakers, apparel and gear they want from the company that sponsors the school.

there’s probably something I’m forgetting but whether they should get paid or not, they are certainly getting a lot more right now than your typical full ride of the past.

I find it interesting that there isn't anybody that responded to your post. Perhaps, it's simply convenient to ignore?

Free will...they all have it and none are forced into signing anything. As others have mentioned, go to the G league then or oversees, etc. Bet on yourself. Fact is, the enormous platform that the university provides them is unmatched/unparalleled, certainly at the time they sign the contract (LOI). Otherwise, they simply wouldn't sign it and they would choose (again voluntarily) to go a different route.

Remarkably, if not for the university providing them with the opportunity of a lifetime, showcasing their talents, providing a platform that they otherwise would never have, etc., and, additionally, where the university fronts 100% of the financial investment/risk, etc., they wouldn't have any name, likeness, etc. to begin with.

 

[UpstateSM]

My Son in Law is doing post Doc work at Yale. He doesn't own his work. Yale owns what he develops.

That is bs too

 

[Alsacs]

Where kids would make the most
Money would be social media.
Sponsored ad content.

Boosters aren’t going to spend as much as people think. Rich people don’t waste money a lot of times and consistently.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If you don't put at least some guardrails (and I don't disagree that the money is overstated) into athlete compensation then :

I think either you create a true semi pro/baseball style system to allow the top 5-600 athletes who want to ensure they are paid do so and then leave the rest to amateurism if you are going all out. You will find that outside the top 100 maybe 150 that it's not worth it for the kids.

The other option is to open the barn door and let things play out. It will probably be a more enhanced reduction of true parity but it would keep college sports alive at least for hoops and football in some form.

I say let it play out.

We've let this busted system play out for a long time. The problems and limitations are clear and apparent.

It's not the worst thing to see what would actually happen.

I think you are underestimating how much cash they would get.

You wouldn’t even be on campus yet and your “endorsements” would be lined up. Kids will go where the biggest base endorsement contracts are and grow their brand from there. As a recruit I’d want a school that offered high amount of guaranteed sponsor money and the infrastructure/connections in place to build my brand.

I think that could actually help diffuse talent throughout the sport.

Maybe being a little fish in a big pond in LA at USC isn't worth as much as being a big fish in a little pond in Morgantown at WFVU.

Plus, you would occasionally see athletes in non-revenue sports benefit. I think NIL could have a huge, positive impact for female student-athletes, for example. And Olympic sport athletes would see a boost surrounding the Olympics when interest in their sport surges. It would be a net good thing for gymnasts/wrestlers/swimmers etc. to be able to make $500 hawking the local sandwich shop.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Where kids would make the most
Money would be social media.
Sponsored ad content.

Boosters aren’t going to spend as much as people think. Rich people don’t waste money a lot of times and consistently.

I think you're right on both accounts.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I find it interesting that there isn't anybody that responded to your post. Perhaps, it's simply convenient to ignore?

Free will...they all have it and none are forced into signing anything. As others have mentioned, go to the G league then or oversees, etc. Bet on yourself. Fact is, the enormous platform that the university provides them is unmatched/unparalleled, certainly at the time they sign the contract (LOI). Otherwise, they simply wouldn't sign it and they would choose (again voluntarily) to go a different route.

Remarkably, if not for the university providing them with the opportunity of a lifetime, showcasing their talents, providing a platform that they otherwise would never have, etc., and, additionally, where the university fronts 100% of the financial investment/risk, etc., they wouldn't have any name, likeness, etc. to begin with.

I think bees made a good post, but I'm not sure what to respond to exactly.

What athletes currently receive and what they should have the right to receive for NIL are different issues.

Personally, in today's digital world, I feel NIL should be considered a basic human right. Personal identity matters. It should be honored.

The NCAA is an enormous violator of the right to NIL, and far behind the times.

 

[Alsacs]

I find it interesting that there isn't anybody that responded to your post. Perhaps, it's simply convenient to ignore?

Free will...they all have it and none are forced into signing anything. As others have mentioned, go to the G league then or oversees, etc. Bet on yourself. Fact is, the enormous platform that the university provides them is unmatched/unparalleled, certainly at the time they sign the contract (LOI). Otherwise, they simply wouldn't sign it and they would choose (again voluntarily) to go a different route.

Remarkably, if not for the university providing them with the opportunity of a lifetime, showcasing their talents, providing a platform that they otherwise would never have, etc., and, additionally, where the university fronts 100% of the financial investment/risk, etc., they wouldn't have any name, likeness, etc. to begin with.

If Chipotle wants to pay Buddy Boeheim 5k to tweet about a new product and they have a store on campus the company would profit from the business Buddy’s tweet generates why shouldn’t that be allowed?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

If Chipotle wants to pay Buddy Boeheim 5k to tweet about a new product and they have a store on campus the company would profit from the business Buddy’s tweet generates why shouldn’t that be allowed?

Buddy will get lots of commercials. Kadary might get 1-2.

Bobby, Frank and Jesse will get nothing.

That won't hurt team chemistry at all.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If Chipotle wants to pay Buddy Boeheim 5k to tweet about a new product and they have a store on campus the company would profit from the business Buddy’s tweet generates why shouldn’t that be allowed?

"Thanks to my dad, my jumper can catch fire... much like your mouth will when you try Chipotle's new fire-roasted pineapple habanero salsa. Get some today!"

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Buddy will get lots of commercials. Kadary might get 1-2.

Bobby, Frank and Jesse will get nothing.

That won't hurt team chemistry at all.

Maybe.

Let's see how it plays out.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Bet on yourself. Fact is, the enormous platform that the university provides them is unmatched/unparalleled, certainly at the time they sign the contract (LOI). Otherwise, they simply wouldn't sign it and they would choose (again voluntarily) to go a different route.

Remarkably, if not for the university providing them with the opportunity of a lifetime, showcasing their talents, providing a platform that they otherwise would never have, etc., and, additionally, where the university fronts 100% of the financial investment/risk, etc., they wouldn't have any name, likeness, etc. to begin with.

In football, there is no other choice because D1 is the NFL's developmental league that they don't have to pay for. And since you have to be out of HS for three years to be eligible the NFL, how is that going to work?

 

[UpstateSM]

Buddy will get lots of commercials. Kadary might get 1-2.

Bobby, Frank and Jesse will get nothing.

That won't hurt team chemistry at all.

Does it hurt team chemistry right now that Buddy's dad is rich?

 

[Briancuse]

"Thanks to my dad, my jumper can catch fire... much like your mouth will when you try Chipotle's new fire-roasted pineapple habanero salsa. Get some today!"

"My Dad is an expert picker, and so can you when you pick Allstate car insurance"

 

[OttoinGrotto]

"My Dad is an expert picker, and so can you when you pick Allstate car insurance"

"Let's go to the Kleenex sideline cam with Jim Boeheim..."

 

[UpstateSM]

"Let's go to the Kleenex sideline cam with Jim Boeheim..."

Not sure if I'm proud or disappointed that you haven't said that Taco Time is now presented by JG3

 

[orangecuse]

If Chipotle wants to pay Buddy Boeheim 5k to tweet about a new product and they have a store on campus the company would profit from the business Buddy’s tweet generates why shouldn’t that be allowed?

I actually don't have any problem with that example as long as he isn't in anyway identifying himself with Syracuse University in any capacity. In that case, many folks, especially the ones that don't pay any attention to SU sports, would likely have no clue who it is.

I am of the opinion, that NIL in regards to college sports has a lot more to do with the name on the front of jersey than the back.

 

[Alsacs]

Buddy will get lots of commercials. Kadary might get 1-2.

Bobby, Frank and Jesse will get nothing.

That won't hurt team chemistry at all.

That is called the free market.

 

[Orangezoo]

Any way you go about this there will be ugly elements and fallout as well as collateral damage. If they don't change things then these fringe leagues popping up will grow and the migration to the G league and other 15-18 yr old leagues will expand.

This can of worms is already open so it is what it is. Pick a door, open it and let's see what happens.

 

[Briancuse]

That is called the free market.

These are college kids, Its hard for them to grasp the free market concept. If I'm Kadary and my teammate is getting a lot more money for commercials than I am, I'm going to be bothered by it.

 

[elimunelson]

That ship sailed years ago.

I do agree though, I don't want to see colleges paying players like it's NFL free agency. But there is zero reason why these athletes shouldn't be able to profit off of their likeness, endorsements, etc. Yes, there will be some abuses. There are massive abuses of the system we have in place now. But every step towards fairness is a good one.

I'll invoke the same, tired analogy I always use... the students who go to the College of Music aren't prevented from earning money by playing in bands in Armory Square. The students who go to the School of Drama aren't prevented from earning money by acting in a musical put on by a professional theater company. The students in the School of Engineering aren't prevented from launching a start-up and making money from their app being on Google Play. But a student in the School of Arts & Sciences, who also plays basketball, can't make money from his or her jersey being sold in the SU bookstore. It's immensely silly.

but your assumption is that the players aren't already getting additional monies, room, board, health insurance, pell grants, etc. With school at 75k per clip the "pocket money" is beginning to round into a legit professional salary for someone that is 18 with no skill other than basketball or football.

These things cost money. I think they are getting compensated it's just not the free market that is doing it. I suspect if this goes full compensation route, there will be a rot of the benefits the lesser athletes receive over time. The house of cards to me then falls apart and schools won't find it appealing to run as many teams, etc and may stop underwriting the band, etc.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

That is called the free market.

Wait until Joe realizes that chucking up shots from 25' are worth more money than mundane things like assists and steals.