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[oldpinepoint]

I guarantee it wasnt about money after the university got reimbursed for over 4 million in covid expenses, It could of been seeing the high profile jobs open and not liking there chances of getting someone they felt was better

What does they have to do with anything? It’s been mentioned a zillion times here but just because the university as a billion dollar endowment or whatever it is doesn’t mean any of it can be used for athletics but especially to be used to buyout an athletic coach. Was the $4mm a reimbursement for athletic expenses or just to the university in general? They usually don’t commingle funds. After the dumpster fire Financial picture that was left by Cantor and Gross, our chancellor and AD’s have been trying to dig the university out of a budgetary crisis. My understanding is the athletic department has to be self sustaining. Paying 7+mil for a buyout isn’t going to happen. Board isn’t going to approve it and neither is the chancellor

 

[TheCusian]

Now you’re just gaslighting. Nobody said it was offensive. Don’t be ridiculous. People getting mad at posters or acting like they shouldn’t have any questions about what’s going on with the program is insane.

you can both see things clearly (the good and the bad) and be optimistic

of course there are people who see things differently and that’s fine. Just don’t act like we’ve not done the work (watched horrible losses and good wins, no matter what year after year)

 

[oldpinepoint]

Its all about the money. 5 losing years.
1-10
5-7 completely crushed the last 3 games. Its all about the $

Of course it is, ADJW has no options unless boosters magically came up with the $$$$ to buy him out. Other would know and I could be wrong but it sounds like the Univerodty booster engagement, especially for football is pretty dismal. Especially for things like coaching buyouts.

 

[Chris02M]

What does they have to do with anything? It’s been mentioned a zillion times here but just because the university as a billion dollar endowment or whatever it is doesn’t mean any of it can be used for athletics but especially to be used to buyout an athletic coach. Was the $4mm a reimbursement for athletic expenses or just to the university in general? They usually don’t commingle funds. After the dumpster fire Financial picture that was left by Cantor and Gross, our chancellor and AD’s have been trying to dig the university out of a budgetary crisis. My understanding is the athletic department has to be self sustaining. Paying 7+mil for a buyout isn’t going to happen. Board isn’t going to approve it and neither is the chancellor

I was saying if they wanted to make a change the money would of been there with30 plus coming from espn, they decided they would give dino 1 more year as there was some level of improvement between 2019 and 2021(yes im excluding 2020 in the improvement category) along with the recent changing of coaches in lacrosse and womens basketball

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is where I ultimately started to have questions. We have the amazing season and we know how we followed it up the two years after that. But even during/after that 10 win season, recruiting didn’t seem to be positively impacted.

I'm with you, actually. We need consecutive winning seasons under the same head coach probably to see a meaningful uptick in recruiting.

But we probably need a meaningful uptick in recruiting to see consecutive winning seasons under the same head coach.

So...

 

[javadoc]

This is where I ultimately started to have questions. We have the amazing season and we know how we followed it up the two years after that. But even during/after that 10 win season, recruiting didn’t seem to be positively impacted.

Very good point. We do need to take a step forward in recruiting and I think we may have enough evidence now, after a couple decades, that there may be existential hurdles we have that our peers simply don’t. Outside of W-L.

And Dino needed better recruiters. His staffing has been amateur hour, IMO. Last chance to wake up and get it right.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Would the school ever buy a house or houses that they use just for housing assistants and their families, so they can just rent from the school?

I know someone employed by the school that lives out of state. When he came to SU they put him up in an apartment downtown and also covered flying him home and back for the weekends. I think they did that for his first year or two. If temporary housing were in issue, the school has shown in the past that it's an impediment that they can resolve.

 

[qdawgg]

I think recruiting is going to be an uphill climb until we can somehow become pitt where we make a bowl game every year

I completely agree but if we continue to sink deeper, we may never be able to climb out of it. Dramatic or not, I think we’re reaching that point.

 

[Chris02M]

I completely agree but if we continue to sink deeper, we may never be able to climb out of it. Dramatic or not, I think we’re reaching that point.

yes next year is a critical year

 

[qdawgg]

you can both see things clearly (the good and the bad) and be optimistic

of course there are people who see things differently and that’s fine. Just don’t act like we’ve not done the work (watched horrible losses and good wins, no matter what year after year)

Never said you can’t and I have no problem with people being optimistic. What has been weird is people being optimistic and acting like people who think we need a change are being ridiculous. I guess that might go both ways though if I was on the other side. But there are some vocal people on the board that seem to have an undying devotion to DB and don’t like to see him criticized at all. We’re not talking a coach with 2 losing seasons out of 3. Or a coach with a history of long term HC success here or at another school.

 

[qdawgg]

Very good point. We do need to take a step forward in recruiting and I think we may have enough evidence now, after a couple decades, that there may be existential hurdles we have that our peers simply don’t. Outside of W-L.

And Dino needed better recruiters. His staffing has been amateur hour, IMO. Last chance to wake up and get it right.

I’m okay with where our recruiting rankings are, I know recruiting at SU will always be tough. But we are making it harder on ourselves. What we don’t have IMO or havent, is 6 years of finding lower recruited players that can be coached up to a level higher than they were recruited at. We have some here and there and we have some good players. But I don’t think the coaches are getting them to their full potential either because of scheme, coaching or a mix.

 

[gmoney44]

I got ONE game wrong. The point was to show there were acceptable passing games in there too, despite the challenges. No one “called me out.” They pointed out an error.

Of our three worse passing games you dropped two out and put the wrong stat that was 3 times more than the real one to figure your average. Creative accounting.

 

[orangencpolice]

What about this guy. He seems to be able to turn a really bad situation into a positive one. He may be retired though…

 

[Bayside44]

Outside of Clemson no ACC team has talent. The teams that do well have older players. The teams that do poorly have younger players.

A little overstated but generally agree. People need to pick a lane - if we "should've" won 7 plus games this season it isn't talent. If the talent really is that terrible then it cannot be coaching.

 

[kcsu]

Of course it is, ADJW has no options unless boosters magically came up with the $$$$ to buy him out. Other would know and I could be wrong but it sounds like the Univerodty booster engagement, especially for football is pretty dismal. Especially for things like coaching buyouts.

Things were sky high after the 10 win season. Everyone most especially me was 1000% percent behind Dino.
i heard and truly believe that he was gone if the cards had fallen differently with a few jobs. He ending up staying and landing a great contract. At the time i dont think that anyone at SU involved in the contract thought that there was much of a chance that he would tank so the buyout wasnt looked at as a negative rather it was going to soften the blow if Dino took another job. Obviously things have not worked out as planned. 5 losing seasons, and a very poor finish this year isnt exactly what the school thought they were signing on for. So we are stuck with a guy that by all accounts is solid off the field pretty poor on it. Hopefully we catch a break next year and make a bowl. If so Dino would be retained and maybe he sticks for a renewal which would most assuradly have a different buy out structure. To me that is the best case scenario as Dino might have learned enough in the last few years to realize he needs to surround himself with better coaches that allow him to focus on the big picture and let them handle game planning and in game adjustments. If however Dino doesnt make a bowl next year or finish strong as i think he actually might be retained yet again with a five win season as long as we play well. But if he is fired i would not be surprised to see Coach White get the gig. Hes young, has NY roots, will be affordable and has done a good job to date. I can see this happening. If not i think that JW is going to go with a young gun. Someone with a ton of energy who is lighting it up at a lower level. I hope that he takes a swing at Joe M as i would imagine his buyout would be something we could handle and i bet we could get Joe in the 3 m range. For me this would be a homerun.
Ill hope that Dino pulls it off but based on his history dont expect much more than 4 or 5 wins and too many blow outs.

 

[All4SU]

Of our three worse passing games you dropped two out and put the wrong stat that was 3 times more than the real one to figure your average. Creative accounting.

Liberty game - picked up the wrong #
The two other games. Broken ribs. Even Pitt game was broken ribs, but obviously improved. I’m sure you read the posts. So I’m sure you know this.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Even after our ten win season, recruiting didn’t pick up much.

 

[RICuse44]

I'm with you, actually. We need consecutive winning seasons under the same head coach probably to see a meaningful uptick in recruiting.

But we probably need a meaningful uptick in recruiting to see consecutive winning seasons under the same head coach.

So...

The wild card is the portal.

The offense needs a center, WR, and continued improvement from the WB position. If they get that then I think we can at least be functional.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The wild card is the portal.

The offense needs a center, WR, and continued improvement from the WB position. If they get that then I think we can at least be functional.

Yup, there are a limited number of paths to break the cycle.

Playing and winning portal lottery is one.

 

[BKCuse]

What’s extreme about saying a program has 5 losing seasons out of 6. Recruiting class this year has the potential to be the worse class brought in in years, depth is a serious issue at multiple positions and has been for most of the last 6 years. What happens next year if we miss a bowl again and the schedule will be more difficult? Recruiting sinks further and depth takes a larger hit. I think people not thinking we’re at a serious crossroads are fooling themselves. This has the potential to put SU in a long term hole after DB leaves. Fan support is already at or close toGrob level. There are so many potential consequences of retaining a coach who’s had 1 winning season. Nothing I said is inaccurate and it is extreme.

We can’t judge this years recruiting class like a regular season. This time around the it’s all about the portal transfers we bring in.

I’d be happy if we were done with HS players and just added from portal to finish class. It’s the fastest way to turn a program around and compete. We don’t have the time to wait for HS kids to develop and contribute.

Portal kids will be quicker to commit to a situation with unstable coaching since they won’t be here for 4-5 years.

Lord I hope Dino is aggressive in portal

 

[Alsacs]

A little overstated but generally agree. People need to pick a lane - if we "should've" won 7 plus games this season it isn't talent. If the talent really is that terrible then it cannot be coaching.

This is just not true.
Florida Stats/Miami/UNC/NC State/ Virginia Tech get enough talent to be really really good.

The ACC homebase gets talent.
We don’t but the conference does.

We should have won 7 games this year.
We played Rutgers and 3 G5 teams.

The ACC was down as a conference. It won’t be forever.
Our HC made in game mistakes that cost us chances to win more games.

 

[qdawgg]

We can’t judge this years recruiting class like a regular season. This time around the it’s all about the portal transfers we bring in.

I’d be happy if we were done with HS players and just added from portal to finish class. It’s the fastest way to turn a program around and compete. We don’t have the time to wait for HS kids to develop and contribute.

Portal kids will be quicker to commit to a situation with unstable coaching since they won’t be here for 4-5 years.

Lord I hope Dino is aggressive in portal

Why can’t we judge this years recruiting class like normal? Because you have to factor in portal recruiting too? If so, yes, I completely agree. I just think our HS recruiting numbers are low and could get lower or we could try to fill spots with lesser players. We could make that up with portal players and I’d be more than happy with that. Players with potentially quicker route to see the field and potentially higher rated players to begin with. But we’d have to add a fair amount of portal players to just cover some depth issues IMO. I just don’t see that happening.

 

[Whitey23]

GT moving quick.

 

[CA Monk]

Let's get these positions filled (qualitatively) and get some recruiting going.
Time's a wastin' on our lowly rated class.
Maybe the 3 new assistants (4th w/ST?) can bring a few properly poached recruits from their school of origin. Not especially cool, but the way it works now.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This is just not true.
Florida Stats/Miami/UNC/NC State/ Virginia Tech get enough talent to be really really good.

The ACC homebase gets talent.
We don’t but the conference does.

We should have won 7 games this year.
We played Rutgers and 3 G5 teams.

The ACC was down as a conference. It won’t be forever.
Our HC made in game mistakes that cost us chances to win more games.

Outside of Clemson everyone in conference is looking at 3-5, 4-4, or 5-3. To have more than 5 Ws you need a SR led team. To have less than 3 Ws you need to have a young team or be going through a coaching change. This has been the case pretty much since we joined the conference.

Those schools you mention (outside of UNC and NC State) CAN get enough talent to be really really good. But they don't currently HAVE that talent. None of those schools are going 6-2, 7-1, or 8-0 anytime soon.