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I must have missed the part about the constitutional right to play high school basketball when I was in law school.
My school, they took the same bus to away games
This is why when people blame millennials for everything, I say, look at their parents. Its the parents, teachers, lawyers, politicians of the generation above who are soft, and enabling kids to do things like this and get away with it. Remember the former SU football player who stabbed two other players at a party? I bet there were dozens of warning signs in high school that were ignored because he was good at a sport.A very senior high school teacher and coach told me a number of years ago, "The world has changed. I'm afraid to tell a kid to sit down and shut up because the next day I'll be in front of the principal, the parents and a lawyer. So I say nothing. I'm not going to risk my position and pension."
Funny thing is, a few "powerful" parents at JD basically forced the JD AD and admin to fire BM at JD. And now, where are those parents? No longer involved with the school because their kids are grown.so was this worse than whatever they fired their former coach for, whose now prospering at Grimes
This is why when people blame millennials for everything, I say, look at their parents. Its the parents, teachers, lawyers, politicians of the generation above who are soft, and enabling kids to do things like this and get away with it. Remember the former SU football player who stabbed two other players at a party? I bet there were dozens of warning signs in high school that were ignored because he was good at a sport.
BS. Suppose a kid is a mass murder terrorist, but not yet convicted and you think the school has to keep him enrolled?Legally a school has no right to suspend a student/ “throw him out” for something they do outside of school that has no connection to school.
Yes, I seem to remember that. But as you intimate, good luck getting a judge to tell a school that it has to put a kid back on the high school basketball team because of his constitutional right to play basketball until convicted of a felony. That brings to mind the question "if I do x, can I get sued?" The answer is always yes because somebody can sue you for anything. The right question is whether they'd have a valid claim.Were you present when they taught about the 14th Amendment? Because that is more likely the way this would get mucked up (note i intentionally did not say "a favorable outcome").
I mean if you go to law school it’s basically all they teach you in Con Law. I still have the nightmares...Were you present when they taught about the 14th Amendment? Because that is more likely the way this would get mucked up (note i intentionally did not say "a favorable outcome").
It’s actually my favorite legal question followed by “what are their damages”?Yes, I seem to remember that. But as you intimate, good luck getting a judge to tell a school that it has to put a kid back on the high school basketball team because of his constitutional right to play basketball until convicted of a felony. That brings to mind the question "if I do x, can I get sued?" The answer is always yes because somebody can sue you for anything. The right question is whether they'd have a valid claim.
Love your avatar by the way.
Yes, I seem to remember that. But as you intimate, good luck getting a judge to tell a school that it has to put a kid back on the high school basketball team because of his constitutional right to play basketball until convicted of a felony. That brings to mind the question "if I do x, can I get sued?" The answer is always yes because somebody can sue you for anything. The right question is whether they'd have a valid claim.
Love your avatar by the way.
How is this loser still on the team? Benched? You'd think after the first felony something would happen, second, sure, third and he's benched?
Jamesville-DeWitt benches basketball star after third felony charge
I'm way out of this, especially in the Public schools. Private schools are different. This kid would have been long gone.
But public School administrators, teachers and coaches are poorly prepared and very nervous about this sort of thing. It's a legal and political minefield for them.
A very senior high school teacher and coach told me a number of years ago, "The world has changed. I'm afraid to tell a kid to sit down and shut up because the next day I'll be in front of the principal, the parents and a lawyer. So I say nothing. I'm not going to risk my position and pension."
BS. Suppose a kid is a mass murder terrorist, but not yet convicted and you think the school has to keep him enrolled?
Charges are charges, convictions are convictions. The original charge occurred before school started, so I can see a school overlooking that and letting the kid participate. After the second one, we're in grayer territory.
I highly doubt he is innocent of all (hell, any) of the charges, but innocence is supposed to be the presumption.
Btw, keeping a kid who is obviously hanging with the wrong crowd, involved in productive after school activities is not the worst thing the school could do.
The severity of the crime is inconsequential when the facts aren't known. The school said they didn't have the information needed to take action; which is likely, given how police investigations work when minors are involved.
Punishment is supposed to come after a conviction. At the very least, you wait for facts that push guilt into 'more than likely' territory. 3 separate felony charges is enough to take action. 2 was maybe/probably enough. 1, outside of school during the summer, is not, imo.
Legally a school has no right to suspend a student/ “throw him out” for something they do outside of school that has no connection to school.
You are wrong, the school has a right to establish an acceptable code of conduct for its athletic teams and can suspend or terminate violators of the code.
A simpleton take.
As a high school coach in the fall/spring, I have an athlete pledge for both sports covering conduct at school. It can go no further per my school’s administration and lawyers.
If you think I’m going to be a part of the inevitable litigation that would occur if I try to apply conduct to include behavior off campus/school hours, you are insane.
I’m not going to be sued for overstepping my boundary. This isn’t the late 90’s when my lacrosse coach would call to make sure we were adhering to a curfew if we had a game the next morning.
Where did I say the coach would have that authority? The school administration would have that authority, the coaches job would be to inform the admin of any violations he had knowledge of. The performance code you are talking about has nothing to do with a school administration code of conduct to be eligible to represent said school in interscholastic athletics. If your school does not have one you should ask your administration why they do not.
Where did I say the coach would have that authority? The school administration would have that authority, the coaches job would be to inform the admin of any violations he had knowledge of. The performance code you are talking about has nothing to do with a school administration code of conduct to be eligible to represent said school in interscholastic athletics. If your school does not have one you should ask your administration why they do not.
I won’t ask my administration because I actually like my job.
That is their area. I know my role.
Kid gets pulled over for smoking a joint while driving. What good would it do to suspend them from school?
Wouldn’t even be their jurisdiction.