here's a better explanation and i could've been more specific: fin aid from the school is allowed to be combined, but again will count as athletic scholly. fin aid from other forms and sources (i.e. gov't) of grants, loans won't.
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yes, 5 grand is 5 grand. my reference was that in relation to the financial aid award, it's much smaller.
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That's not accurate. The Ivy's have never given athletic scholarships - they have a blind financial aid process for ALL students. It's all based on financial need and academic merit. It's actually a huge disadvantage because each and every other school (except some Patriot League schools) can give athletic scholarships and in addition provide need and merit based aid. When it comes to aid, the institution is required to treat ALL students the same. For instance, we have the Haudenosaunee Promise Scholarship which is a nice little program to have for lacrosse - but that scholarship is open to all qualifying students - not just athletes.
You are correct - that absolutely happened at Brown 20+ years ago. They were investigated by the NCAA in 2000. I know three guys who coached (one still does) at Ivy League football programs. The only advantage they have is academic preference - the ability to get a kid admitted who otherwise wouldn't get in based on grades. Some take more advantage of that than others and I was told that you can always tell which school makes the most exceptions based on their record (yeah, I'm looking at you Penn). But they have zero influence over the financial aid process. It's an excuse non-Ivy league teams like to toss around, but if it were true, don't you think they would at least be competitive in the revenue generating sports? I mean if you were going to buy an athlete, wouldn't you buy a basketball player? Now do I think that wealthy alumni (i.e. Joe Tsai) might stick their nose in behind the scene in specific instances? 100% As it is now, it's too easy to reach out to players and potential recruits online that makes that inevitable. And now that they can profit off their likeness that is only going to get worse. I don't see the Ivys dropping out of D1 anytime soon based solely on tradition, but wouldn't at all be surprised if we see those conversations happen.
its nice that people think this is how it works at the ivies.
i agree with most of this as i understand it (unless upperdeck has some sort of evidence or a story to tell)... but merit aid at an ivy for the lacrosse team? don't see that.
Accusing other schools of cheating without any evidence is weak. It's no different than other schools accusing all ACC schools of cheating now because the coaches wife at one of the schools cosigned on a car loan for the current coach's brother 25 years ago.
i didnt know I accused any of cheating but fine.. I believe I said slimy.. In any case. its not a level playing field in the Ivies as it is in much of the P5. in P5 you have the schools that are harder to get into like the stanfords and then once you get the scholie the kids pretty much get the same deals. in the ivies some schools have policies to make it easier to get into the schools than others do and then they have much better financial aid packages to boot.. if a kid is smart enough to get into an Ivy school and its gonna cost him 250K more to go to one over the other its not a touch decision for many of them. There are only a few sports where the Ivy is gonna compete with top level kids against the P5 types anyway.
the ivies' fin. aid and admissions seem to be a pretty level playing field overall. the ones where the difficulty getting a group thru is slightly higher tend to be the ones where the money given is a tad higher. and vice versa.
Petro looks like a completely different person after his substantial weight loss. He also looks good and healthy which isn't always the case with fast drops. Maybe he should publish a diet book.
