Class of 2025 PG Tyler Jackson (MD) Offered

[Orangezoo]

I think Tutt meant we would miss on our primary PG targets. Meanwhile, Jackson will go somewhere else and we essentially whiff on the whole class by not taking a top50 guard today wanted to commit because we have reservations about his play.

We have seen this happen a couple times, not taking the bird in the hand and being screwed by our primary target.

The portal is always there, but high school is still usually where the top end talent resides.

I'm worried about the apparent decision to slow play Jackson while our primary targets slow dance with perennial basketball powers.

Counter point is , with no disrespect to Tyler, that he is more in the mold of Howard Washington in terms of impact at this level as it stands now. Doesn’t mean he fails to develop his game quite a bit but also feels like a kid who is the 10th man at best. Thus if we had to go with two portal guys or one portal one kid from overseas instead it would be just fine.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

Why do I feel like we are going to slow play ourselves out of a PG this year?

this isn't 2010 anymore my friend. We can't have a team of freshmen here at Cuse, didnt work for UK anymore and won't work for anyone else. We may or may not take a filler on Jackson but if we miss on Lewis, we'll land a big time portal pg. We have the slot open for PT.

 

[cardiac]

this isn't 2010 anymore my friend. We can't have a team of freshmen here at Cuse, didnt work for UK anymore and won't work for anyone else. We may or may not take a filler on Jackson but if we miss on Lewis, we'll land a big time portal pg. We have the slot open for PT.

How can you be so sure we land a big time portal pg when everyone says our NIL is middle of the pack and red wants to distribute the $ to 10 or more guys. Plus we will have to pay big money for a starting C?

 

[Orangezoo]

How can you be so sure we land a big time portal pg when everyone says our NIL is middle of the pack and red wants to distribute the $ to 10 or more guys. Plus we will have to pay big money for a starting C?

Others have shared that the efforts on the NIL front for hoops are improving to put us up where we belong vs middle of the pack. Unless I remember that wrong.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

How can you be so sure we land a big time portal pg when everyone says our NIL is middle of the pack and red wants to distribute the $ to 10 or more guys. Plus we will have to pay big money for a starting C?

From the little I’ve heard around the program, NIL has improved already from last season(s) and that the plan has always been portal pg regardless of Lewis coming or not. Starting or backup, again depending on Lewis. Plus the possibility of Red being on a major hot seat next season if we miss the tourny again, he is going to load up guard talent

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I think Tutt meant we would miss on our primary PG targets. Meanwhile, Jackson will go somewhere else and we essentially whiff on the whole class by not taking a top50 guard today wanted to commit because we have reservations about his play.

We have seen this happen a couple times, not taking the bird in the hand and being screwed by our primary target.

The portal is always there, but high school is still usually where the top end talent resides.

I'm worried about the apparent decision to slow play Jackson while our primary targets slow dance with perennial basketball powers.

Thanks for more eloquently re-stating my worries.
All that said, Red & co are in the room with the kids, so I trust they have a feel.

 

[Hopkins16]

If HS route doesn't work there is the portal. From hearing the new GM speak, they will have a list of players they've watched and analyzed ready to go should said players transfer.

The portal is now a great option for finding talent that is experienced and getting the right player/right position needed. As long as we can show that we have a starting pg slot available, and NIL dollars, getting a quality pg from the portal should not be a problem (should we miss out on the guys we are waiting on). Settling for a talented combo guard to run the offense, especially when our coaches are not intrigued with him, is not the way to go. Our coaches must trust their instincts and experience as we've been down this road before. In order to be successful, the pieces must fit.

Picking up Petra also shows that we are not limiting our scope and have our eyes on international players. Perhaps we are monitoring point guards outside of the US?

 

[RF2044]

I'm worried about the apparent decision to slow play Jackson while our primary targets slow dance with perennial basketball powers.

But what's there to be "worried" about? If Jackson isn't on par with other players we're prioritizing over him, then so what?

Boeheim spent the last few years settling on recruits, and taking the bird in the hand. Sometimes being able to land a player more quickly / easily isn't the best thing.

And by all accounts, Jackson's recruitment isn't exactly on fire from other programs. There's a reason for that, which is another indicator about why there's no need to be "worried."

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think Tutt meant we would miss on our primary PG targets. Meanwhile, Jackson will go somewhere else and we essentially whiff on the whole class by not taking a top50 guard today wanted to commit because we have reservations about his play.

We have seen this happen a couple times, not taking the bird in the hand and being screwed by our primary target.

The portal is always there, but high school is still usually where the top end talent resides.

I'm worried about the apparent decision to slow play Jackson while our primary targets slow dance with perennial basketball powers.

Jackson will not be the PG next year even if we miss on Lewis. Fans should not be upset if he chooses elsewhere. The fans are more into him than the coaches. He is not good.

 

[Hopkins16]

Jackson will not be the PG next year even if we miss on Lewis. Fans should not be upset if he chooses elsewhere. The fans are more into him than the coaches. He is not good.

I wouldn't mind picking up Jackson if Coach A is honest with him and let him know that he will need at least a year in the program to develop as a true point guard; thus his minutes will be very limited as a freshman and it is up to him to learn and progress as there is no guarantee that he will be the point guard as a sophomore if he doesn't develop. It is direct and honest, but it is up to Jackson to believe in himself and his ability to get better, or alternatively, just go to another school that will make the promises he wants to hear.

 

[Cusefan69]

Why do I feel like we are going to slow play ourselves out of a PG this year?

Your framing implies Red is intentionally taking that type of approach? My guess would be the staff is pursuing top commitments as soon as they can get them. I mean they really can't force the recruits timetables.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Jackson will not be the PG next year even if we miss on Lewis. Fans should not be upset if he chooses elsewhere. The fans are more into him than the coaches. He is not good.

I agree that Jackson has some limitations at PG and his size is possibly a concern but he has the dread word “potential”. He is more a combo guard than a point guard.

He has been in the top 50 high school recruits most of the summer. He has very good quickness on the defensive end and breaking down a defender 1 on 1 on the offensive end.

He may not the “Man” on any D1 team in the near future but he has some decent skills to be a complementary player.

If it came down between him and another highly rated PG that we may miss out on, I try first for the other PG. if I could not get the other PG, I would take Tyler Jackson as an commit especially if the rule to have 15 commits comes into play. If he wants to play at Syracuse and willing to sit, learn and develop point guard skills his freshman year, I would take him as player For the future.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I agree that Jackson has some limitations at PG and his size is possibly a concern but he has the dread word “potential”. He is more a combo guard than a point guard.

He has been in the top 50 high school recruits most of the summer. He has very good quickness on the defensive end and breaking down a defender 1 on 1 on the offensive end.

He may not the “Man” on any D1 team in the near future but he has some decent skills to be a complementary player.

If it came down between him and another highly rated PG that we may miss out on, I try first for the other PG. if I could not get the other PG, I would take Tyler Jackson as an commit especially if the rule to have 15 commits comes into play. If he wants to play at Syracuse and willing to sit, learn and develop point guard skills his freshman year, I would take him as player For the future.

He’s not a pg. He’s an undersized 2 and he’s not in the top 50 anymore.

 

[cusefan88]

He’s not a pg. He’s an undersized 2 and he’s not in the top 50 anymore.

I would be surprised if he's part of the Syracuse class.

 

[5OutFred]

I would be surprised if he's part of the Syracuse class.

Agreed. All eggs in the Acaden Lewis basket, will be plenty of portal alternatives for a starting ACC PG job as well. Staff knows that, and have backed off Jackson as a result.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I would be surprised if he's part of the Syracuse class.

Yep. If he had a commitable offer he would already be in the fold.

 

[RF2044]

Yep. If he had a commitable offer he would already be in the fold.

I think that sometimes posters get too hung up on names they recognize.

We've been linked to Jackson for awhile, so... there must be some hang up for things to be taking this long... or there's an element of "risk" associated with stringing him along...

When in reality, he's a Plan D.

 

[cuseallday]

He’s not a pg. He’s an undersized 2 and he’s not in the top 50 anymore.

Well, the 247Sports Composite has him at No. 43 nationally, but I do agree that his 2025 rankings have tumbled a bunch in recent months. He did have some nice AAU performances this spring and summer for Team Melo. Just didn't play a lot in OTE last year, even though his team won the chip. Let's see if he plays more as a senior and fares well.

 

[Orangezoo]

Jackson seems like the perfect example of a kid who was ahead of his peers for a little bit but hasn’t grown much while others have and have since surpassed him. It’s possible he peaked a bit and now has to do the hard work to catch back up.

 

[hoopsupstate]

He’s physically small and when he get bigger and stronger he will become more effective.

 

[althea]

He’s physically small and when he get bigger and stronger he will become more effective.

You forgot a word - “maybe”

 

[50YRsofCuse]

I think that sometimes posters get too hung up on names they recognize.

We've been linked to Jackson for awhile, so... there must be some hang up for things to be taking this long... or there's an element of "risk" associated with stringing him along...

When in reality, he's a Plan D.

There is a chance that Plan D could come to past if Plans A-C fall to the way side. If the Coaching staff choose not to have (cant find) a point guard and don’t want Jackson, that is fine.

I am just saying despite his limitations (height, weight) he has skills and is not a bad player especially if he can be developed.

Look, I was really down on Chris Bell when he was recruited. My research and analysis showed him to be an one dimensional player that Syracuse did not need when he was being recruited. He has improved both years and hopefully he is not done improving. Now he is the only one that remains from his recruiting class. Tyler Jackson could be a player that can be developed and improves over time.

 

[RF2044]

There is a chance that Plan D could come to past if Plans A-C fall to the way side. If the Coaching staff choose not to have (cant find) a point guard and don’t want Jackson, that is fine.

I am just saying despite his limitations (height, weight) he has skills and is not a bad player especially if he can be developed.

Look, I was really down on Chris Bell when he was recruited. My research and analysis showed him to be an one dimensional player that Syracuse did not need when he was being recruited. He has improved both years and hopefully he is not done improving. Now he is the only one that remains from his recruiting class. Tyler Jackson could be a player that can be developed and improves over time.

I'm not trying to make this response personal in any way. You make a well-reasoned argument. Let me make a counter-argument. Jackson's stock has slipped nationally, because he's slight of frame, lacks a handle, and isn't a play maker. Which is a tough combination when you are a smaller guard aspiring to play in a P5 conference.

And let's be clear: there's a reason that he was initially rated as a top 50 caliber prospect [even though that is becoming increasingly clear that it was an over-rating of his capabilities]. He's quick. And he can get into the lane, at this level of competition. He's a decent shooter, with mixed results at the bigger camps. But when you add it all up, he's an undersized shooting guard who lacks the handle / playmaking aptitude to be a point guard at the P5 level.

And in that regard, he's no different than several smaller, disappointing PG prospects who've failed here over the years. Michael Edwards. Josh Wright. Kaleb Joseph.

Now, the way that his stock has begun to dip nationally -- and the general lack of P5 attention he's garnering at the current time -- speak volumes in and of itself. That doesn't mean that it's inevitable that he'll fail -- he could certainly exceed the low bar of the trio of comps I list above. But there is limited evidence to support that hope.

He's a kid who has seemed to plateau, who's on the smaller side, yet lacks the point guard aptitude needed to excel in a high major conference like the ACC.

So, is there a possibility that he outshoots the pessimistic projection I list above? Sure. But is it more likely that he is who is profile and declining interest on the recruiting trail suggest he is? I strongly believe so.

And again, in no way is this a personal attack on your post. Just offering a counter-opinion.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

I'm not trying to make this response personal in any way. You make a well-reasoned argument. Let me make a counter-argument. Jackson's stock has slipped nationally, because he's slight of frame, lacks a handle, and isn't a play maker. Which is a tough combination when you are a smaller guard aspiring to play in a P5 conference.

And let's be clear: there's a reason that he was initially rated as a top 50 caliber prospect [even though that is becoming increasingly clear that it was an over-rating of his capabilities]. He's quick. And he can get into the lane, at this level of competition. He's a decent shooter, with mixed results at the bigger camps. But when you add it all up, he's an undersized shooting guard who lacks the handle / playmaking aptitude to be a point guard at the P5 level.

And in that regard, he's no different than several smaller, disappointing PG prospects who've failed here over the years. Michael Edwards. Josh Wright. Kaleb Joseph.

Now, the way that his stock has begun to dip nationally -- and the general lack of P5 attention he's garnering at the current time -- speak volumes in and of itself. That doesn't mean that it's inevitable that he'll fail -- he could certainly exceed the low bar of the trio of comps I list above. But there is limited evidence to support that hope.

He's a kid who has seemed to plateau, who's on the smaller side, yet lacks the point guard aptitude needed to excel in a high major conference like the ACC.

So, is there a possibility that he outshoots the pessimistic projection I list above? Sure. But is it more likely that he is who is profile and declining interest on the recruiting trail suggest he is? I strongly believe so.

And again, in no way is this a personal attack on your post. Just offering a counter-opinion.

I appreciate your opinion and agree with all of it.

Not trying to push Jackson, I m saying if the coaching staff decides that want him to commit, then they must have reasons to accept him (I.e., no other pg possibility, see potential to develop him, strong recommendation from trusted alumni….).

I’m just saying he has athletic skills, just maybe the staff could develop him. He is 6’2” and 153 lb. Ths makes him seem more like 5’11”.

I understand that the staff would have to decide on that strategy with the new 15 scholarship policy and to expend the resources to develop him. His speed and ability to quickly change gears reminds me a bit of Johnny Flynn (not saying he is the next Johnny Flynn).

Btw, the drop in the rankings should not be an issue. If it was then there would be concern (which I don’t) about Sadiq White, Jr. who dropped out of the top 20 into the lower 50s.

Thanks for the counter opinion/discussion. Just saying if the coaching staff decides to sign Tyler, it’s their decision. Trying to look at positives but understand this may just a moot discussion.

 

[Sbucketball]

How can you be so sure we land a big time portal pg when everyone says our NIL is middle of the pack and red wants to distribute the $ to 10 or more guys. Plus we will have to pay big money for a starting C?

Seems like C is #1 most expensive in the portal and PG is #2 most expensive, so it would be nice not to need both. Don't want to be limited in ability to fill in other positions / retain key guys from getting poached.