Recap of Cowherd/Schwartz interview

[Marsh01]

Cowherd asked him about the victims and how they got in touch with ESPN. Schwartz resoponded by saying they contacted them back and present and they did their due diligence in asking hours of questions. Said how Davis thought of Bernie as a father figure, etc and abused him hundreds and hundreds of times. Last week in light of Penn State his brother called him and they collaborated to talk to MS and ESPN.

Cowherd then asked him if he saw this story differently as Penn State. MS said that is similar in the fact that a high profile assistant who is beloved is being accused but there are many that are different. Says that the PS scandal was the trigger that made the second person to come forward. He said the step brothers have only spoken 4-5 times in the past 8 years. Keeps talking about how his accounts are almost identical from 8 years ago.

Then he asked about JB and his comments. MS said that this was a surprise and comments about how JB didnt know anything and Davis said that he certainly saw him, rode the team bus, was in the locker room all the times. Bascically saying that Davis says JB is lying. He said JB knew he was around constantly and rode in the team bus during the 1987 FF.

Schwartz is still drawing a line in the sand.

 

[EastCoast2]

amazing ESPN hasn't tried to quiet Schwarz

 

[omniorange]

Cowherd asked him about the victims and how they got in touch with ESPN. Schwartz resoponded by saying they contacted them back and present and they did their due diligence in asking hours of questions. Said how Davis thought of Bernie as a father figure, etc and abused him hundreds and hundreds of times. Last week in light of Penn State his brother called him and they collaborated to talk to MS and ESPN.

Cowherd then asked him if he saw this story differently as Penn State. MS said that is similar in the fact that a high profile assistant who is beloved is being accused but there are many that are different. Says that the PS scandal was the trigger that made the second person to come forward. He said the step brothers have only spoken 4-5 times in the past 8 years. Keeps talking about how his accounts are almost identical from 8 years ago.

Then he asked about JB and his comments. MS said that this was a surprise and comments about how JB didnt know anything and Davis said that he certainly saw him, rode the team bus, was in the locker room all the times. Bascically saying that Davis says JB is lying. He said JB knew he was around constantly and rode in the team bus during the 1987 FF.

Schwartz is still drawing a line in the sand.

At least Schwarz finally starting to use the word "allegedly", which is a step forward from his previous accounts yesterday when he basically reported them as "facts".

Cheers,
Neil

 

[EastCoast2]

Schwarz: "He (Davis) wanted to tell his story."

Bullstuff.. he wants $$$

 

[AZOrange]

Cowherd asked him about the victims and how they got in touch with ESPN. Schwartz resoponded by saying they contacted them back and present and they did their due diligence in asking hours of questions. Said how Davis thought of Bernie as a father figure, etc and abused him hundreds and hundreds of times. Last week in light of Penn State his brother called him and they collaborated to talk to MS and ESPN.

Cowherd then asked him if he saw this story differently as Penn State. MS said that is similar in the fact that a high profile assistant who is beloved is being accused but there are many that are different. Says that the PS scandal was the trigger that made the second person to come forward. He said the step brothers have only spoken 4-5 times in the past 8 years. Keeps talking about how his accounts are almost identical from 8 years ago.

Then he asked about JB and his comments. MS said that this was a surprise and comments about how JB didnt know anything and Davis said that he certainly saw him, rode the team bus, was in the locker room all the times. Bascically saying that Davis says JB is lying. He said JB knew he was around constantly and rode in the team bus during the 1987 FF.

Schwartz is still drawing a line in the sand.

Rode in the team bus and was in the locker room is quite a different story than saying JB saw him laying on Bernie's bed in a hotel room without supervision. JB has stated he knew the kid. He didnt deny that he was around the program.

 

[Cusefan95]

Schwartz is still drawing a line in the sand.

He really doesn't have an option anymore. After His over-the-top reporting last night and JB going public with his statements, it stopped being a line in the sand and is now a line chiseled in concrete. This is a death-cage match, two men entered but only one is leaving with his career in tact.

 

[Whitey23]

Someone call cowherd and ask some questions. (I refuse to call into cowherd out of principle)

 

[EastCoast2]

Schwarz claiming this is strikingly similar to PSU case... the only thing in common is coached who have been around a while

 

[EastCoast2]

Do you guys think Schwarz truthfully believes Davis?

 

[AZOrange]

Do you guys think Schwarz truthfully believes Davis?

Yes, he has no choice now.

 

[cusetown1]

Do you guys think Schwarz truthfully believes Davis?

I think he did at one point but no longer does. He's just in a huge hole right now. Picture Amendola defending Sandusky. That's how I feel this is going right now. Everybody knows tweedle dee and tweedle dumb are FOS but Shwartz has to stand by them.

 

[orangenirvana]

Someone call cowherd and ask some questions. (I refuse to call into cowherd out of principle)

No need. Cowherd isn't talking about it. He immediately dropped the subject the moment Schwarz hung up. He's smart.

 

[jkm54]

I don't understand why Schwarz thinks we're supposed to believe him over Boeheim, Fine, or anyone else for that matter. He has a story with no supporting detail or corroborating accounts. Unless he knows something he's not reporting yet, he keeps trying to seal this up into a solid factual occurrence, but there's only so much he can do with no supporting facts so he starts making leaps in logic. It was interesting that Cowherd felt the need to defend Schwarz at the end of that report. I think he sees the holes here and is starting to run damage control.

 

[CuseIsInTheHouse]

Mark Schwarz on Cowherd: "Looking at my transcriptions of Bobby Davis' interviews from 2003, all the phone calls and all the on cameras, and then speaking to him again this week, his accounts are almost identical, almost word for word, eight years later."

Word for word, eight years later? Oh, so the story must be true.

 

[Whitey23]

Mark Schwarz on Cowherd: "Looking at my transcriptions of Bobby Davis' interviews from 2003, all the phone calls and all the on cameras, and then speaking to him again this week, his accounts are almost identical, almost word for word, eight years later."

Word for word, eight years later? Oh, so the story must be true.

Ya, I just don't get how that somehow proves he's telling the truth. He keeps repeating it.

 

[Upstate]

Mark Schwarz on Cowherd: "Looking at my transcriptions of Bobby Davis' interviews from 2003, all the phone calls and all the on cameras, and then speaking to him again this week, his accounts are almost identical, almost word for word, eight years later."

Word for word, eight years later? Oh, so the story must be true.

I can write something down, read it, and read it again in 8 years and it will still sound the same, too.

 

[CuseIsInTheHouse]

I can write something down, read it, and read it again in 8 years and it will still sound the same, too.

Exactly. Schwarz is giving the accuser credibility because his story hasn't changed.

 

[arnie3]

I have no dog in this fight, since I'm a UConn graduate, but I have to go with JB on this one. There is no way in hell, IMO, that he would not have known what was going on. ESPN did not do their homework. They just jumped on the predator bandwagon, which is so disingenuous to the victims of rape. This is not like PSU in any way shape or form because higher ups at PSU knew what was going on and covered it up by saying that this was only "horseplay". SU looked into the matter in '05 and Davis could not get any witness to collaborate what he was saying as true. I believe that this person is lying.

 

[jekelish]

Isn't that basically how they say you can beat a lie detector? Rehearse your story often enough and begin to believe it?

 

[Ozcuse]

Cowherd just stated he feels very apprehensive about approaching this topic. Said he "doesn't want to be first, he wants to be right." He said that the PSU story felt different in his gut and that's why they went 100% after it. This case he feels something might have happened, but it's way too early to make this into PSU.

Then goes into a questioning opinion about grown men traveling and boarding with unrelated children. Seems to be a pretty good, level-headed stance.

 

[RF2044]

Here's my perspective: Schwartz, Davis, nor Lang aren't bringing up anything new here, nor are they coming forward with any compelling evidence that paints the allegations in a different light.

What we have is the same unsubstantiated claims from 8 years ago that were reviewed, investigated, and dismissed by three separate groups: ESPN, the P-S, and the University. Yes, I know that Lang is a new variable, but his story lacks corroboration as well.

I'd be a LOT more concerned if new details were coming out, new information was surfacing, etc. Really, this just seems to be bubbling up due to the Penn State situation. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[44cuse]

Cowherd asked him about the victims and how they got in touch with ESPN. Schwartz resoponded by saying they contacted them back and present and they did their due diligence in asking hours of questions. Said how Davis thought of Bernie as a father figure, etc and abused him hundreds and hundreds of times. Last week in light of Penn State his brother called him and they collaborated to talk to MS and ESPN.

Cowherd then asked him if he saw this story differently as Penn State. MS said that is similar in the fact that a high profile assistant who is beloved is being accused but there are many that are different. Says that the PS scandal was the trigger that made the second person to come forward. He said the step brothers have only spoken 4-5 times in the past 8 years. Keeps talking about how his accounts are almost identical from 8 years ago.

Then he asked about JB and his comments. MS said that this was a surprise and comments about how JB didnt know anything and Davis said that he certainly saw him, rode the team bus, was in the locker room all the times. Bascically saying that Davis says JB is lying. He said JB knew he was around constantly and rode in the team bus during the 1987 FF.

Schwartz is still drawing a line in the sand.

One other important distinction Marsh (and I was surprised Cowherd did not bring this up. When Colin asked him how he saw this story differently than the PSU situation, Schwarz chose NOT to say:

1. PSU situation had a previous Grand Jury investigation
2. JoePa was a part of said Grand Jury investigation

Those are important distinctions. I'm not all on this "ESPN is evil" thing. But, in this particular instance, leaving out all of the things that make these two situations different is indicative of bias.

44cuse

 

[44cuse]

Cowherd just stated he feels very apprehensive about approaching this topic. Said he "doesn't want to be first, he wants to be right." He said that the PSU story felt different in his gut and that's why they went 100% after it. This case he feels something might have happened, but it's way too early to make this into PSU.

Then goes into a questioning opinion about grown men traveling and boarding with unrelated children. Seems to be a pretty good, level-headed stance.

Yeah, that's because Cowherd is good. Potentially the best out there right now. People in Syracuse and those on this board just did not like what he said about SU and our program. Cowherd calls it like it is. Even torches himself on the air (which non of these guys do) when he is wrong.

44cuse

 

[omniorange]

Here's my perspective: Schwartz, Davis, nor Lang aren't bringing up anything new here, nor are they coming forward with any compelling evidence that paints the allegations in a different light.

What we have is the same unsubstantiated claims from 8 years ago that were reviewed, investigated, and dismissed by three separate groups: ESPN, the P-S, and the University. Yes, I know that Lang is a new variable, but his story lacks corroboration as well.

I'd be a LOT more concerned if new details were coming out, new information was surfacing, etc. Really, this just seems to be bubbling up due to the Penn State situation. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Again, what made the claims "unsubstantiated" last time was that there was no other victim that came forth.

No one has yet said or shown for a fact that Davis wasn't where he said he was that I have seen - what is in question is did the incidents of sexual molestation take place or not? And for that, back in 2003 and in 2005 there was no one else making similar claims nor was there any damaging physical evidence to support the claims so it wound up being a he said/he said situation.

The difference now is that there is a second alleged victim coming forth who happens to be the original alleged victim's stepbrother. That information is new, but it precedes the younger brothers' claims, so is even more unsubstantiated.

Like most on this board, I am reserving judgment to see if a more recent victim than Davis comes forth or not.

Considering the national attention of the PSU incident, this ESPN story, and SU's own strong stance on ensuring the safety of all in the community and holding everyone to high standards in terms of not tolerating illegal, abusive, and/or unethical behavior - if ever there was a climate where a victim of abuse might feel comfortable coming forth to the police, it would seem to be now.

Let us hope these two are indeed fabricating their claims but let us also be prepared that these claims might be legitimate ones.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[kuethstheman]

Here's my perspective: Schwartz, Davis, nor Lang aren't bringing up anything new here, nor are they coming forward with any compelling evidence that paints the allegations in a different light.

What's new in the Cowherd stuff is that Schwarz is becoming more and more disingenuous. What does seeing him on the team bus have to do with anything that JB said. He's making stuff up to make JB look bad.