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Richie Incognito suspended by team for bullying

Sweet. I'm going to change my performance management style with my staff. I think they'll be much more productive when I make them suck down as much easy cheese as they can possibly ingest because they didn't make their deliverables. :confused:
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So change up your google search. Maybe "cognitive dissonance hazing". I searched "study shows hazing works" and linked the first story that popped up.

There's a proven psychology to hazing and there are plenty of studies. If you're interested, it shouldn't be that hard to learn more.

A search like "does hazing work" is going to be inundated with links to collegiate anti-hazing efforts. And there's a reason why anti-hazing is needed... Cause people are stupid and people have lost their lives during hazing activities.





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Treating people with dignity and respect also builds teams.

Interesting drop of Steve Infanti's name at the end of that article - I assume it's the same person?
 
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Is that Richie Incognito? I didn't recognize him.
 
The marines and the Spartans from 300 would disagree :)

Hazing sucks. But it works and it's been proven in various studies. And just because it works, doesn't mean that it's right.

Many kidnapped people who even are abused end up bonding with their captors (ala Stockholm syndrome) and like you said just because it works, it certainly doesn't make it right or prove it has any true positive effects long term.





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So change up your google search. Maybe "cognitive dissonance hazing". I searched "study shows hazing works" and linked the first story that popped up.

There's a proven psychology to hazing and there are plenty of studies. If you're interested, it shouldn't be that hard to learn more.

A search like "does hazing work" is going to be inundated with links to collegiate anti-hazing efforts. And there's a reason why anti-hazing is needed... Cause people are stupid and people have lost their lives during hazing activities.





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sorry, but what he did and say is not hazing,it's just plain stupidity that could cost both of them their career as players.
 
THATS A SCHIANO MAN!
sure if the guy wants to play d-line and blow up the other o-lineman in victory formation. he would have plenty more chances if schiano hangs on in tampa
 
If you want to learn about something, then yes the burden is on you. Or you can choose to dismiss my statement based on your cursory google search. It really doesn't matter to me.

I'm really not trying to be a tool here, but the burden isn't on me to do that. You said it's proven. The thing you linked wasn't a great resource to make that case. So, I did some investigating on my own, and it didn't look promising.



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Any way to put Incognito into a steel cage match with Aaron Hernandez and have them both die and give Schiano AIDS?

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If you want to learn about something, then yes the burden is on you. Or you can choose to dismiss my statement based on your cursory google search. It really doesn't matter to me.
You said hazing was proven to work and there were studies to prove it. I assumed that meant you knew of studies that provided some evidence for that and asked you for them. You gave the first link you could find, and pretty much didn't support the idea that hazing works. I think you could have brought something interesting in to this discussion, but when I checked your source it was crap, and then when I did take the burden on myself to learn something, it sure looked from a cursory glance on Google Scholar on the topic that a lot of evidence was going the other way. You threw out earlier in the thread that there were plenty more bits of evidence but you're not willing to give them.

I'm saying - defend your position. Don't try to pull some lame thing where you try to put the responsibility to support your position on me and tell me it doesn't matter to you. We can have an interesting discussion here. I thought that's what you wanted to be a part of it. So, defend it.
 
If you want to learn about something, then yes the burden is on you. Or you can choose to dismiss my statement based on your cursory google search. It really doesn't matter to me.





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OiG responded to your posts by saying he wasn't trying to be sarcastic or a tool, no need for you to do it.

I think we would all be interested in what you brought up but need something to discuss.

Burden of proof is on someone who is trying to prove something.
 
I thought it was interesting listening to Mike Golic talk about this on Mike and Mike this morning, as someone who has been through rookie hazing both as a rookie and then as a veteran. I agree with him, too. If you're talking about making a rookie carry pads or buy donuts on the way to the facility on Saturday morning, or even if there's a big tab and you make the rookies split it, fine. Golic even said that in most cases, including his own personal experiences, if a rookie ever came to him and said he couldn't afford it, they backed off and didn't have him pay anything. Those things are, for the most part, harmless and part of the NFL for better or worse. Hell, when Hard Knocks followed the Dolphins last year, in training camp they showed the rookies having to put on a talent show for the veterans as part of the hazing. Nothing wrong with that.

But this crap is absolutely ridiculous. There's always the one jerk in a frat who takes pledge hazing way too seriously, and this is a horrible extension of that but in what is supposed to be a professional setting.

In short, Incognito is a piece of rancid and should rot in hell.
 
I thought it was interesting listening to Mike Golic talk about this on Mike and Mike this morning, as someone who has been through rookie hazing both as a rookie and then as a veteran. I agree with him, too. If you're talking about making a rookie carry pads or buy donuts on the way to the facility on Saturday morning, or even if there's a big tab and you make the rookies split it, fine. Golic even said that in most cases, including his own personal experiences, if a rookie ever came to him and said he couldn't afford it, they backed off and didn't have him pay anything. Those things are, for the most part, harmless and part of the NFL for better or worse. Hell, when Hard Knocks followed the Dolphins last year, in training camp they showed the rookies having to put on a talent show for the veterans as part of the hazing. Nothing wrong with that.

But this crap is absolutely ridiculous. There's always the one jerk in a frat who takes pledge hazing way too seriously, and this is a horrible extension of that but in what is supposed to be a professional setting.

In short, Incognito is a piece of rancid and should rot in hell.
There's an enormous difference between busting someone a bit in the name of getting them to earn their spot, and downright abuse. It seems to me like there's a certain type of human being that is abusive that really enjoys seeing what they can get away with in the name of hazing. Incognito is that special type of human being.

Unfortunately, I suspect that in a lot of cases, where you find hazing you'll find that special type of human being.
 
I never understood the gratification someone got from hazing. I played sports in high school and the entire medical training (from med school through fellowship) is very much like a totem pole where you are humiliated down the chain and then humiliate the next guy as you move up. I took my fair share of ribbing..but never anything too bad..probably because there were just easier targets ...but I never understood what the bullies got out of it ? Was their life made better picking on the new guy? the weak guy? if you want to prove something go pick on someone at your level..ohh.what? doesnt happen? exactly...because they are too weak to go there themselves.
 
I thought it was interesting listening to Mike Golic talk about this on Mike and Mike this morning, as someone who has been through rookie hazing both as a rookie and then as a veteran. I agree with him, too. If you're talking about making a rookie carry pads or buy donuts on the way to the facility on Saturday morning, or even if there's a big tab and you make the rookies split it, fine. Golic even said that in most cases, including his own personal experiences, if a rookie ever came to him and said he couldn't afford it, they backed off and didn't have him pay anything. Those things are, for the most part, harmless and part of the NFL for better or worse. Hell, when Hard Knocks followed the Dolphins last year, in training camp they showed the rookies having to put on a talent show for the veterans as part of the hazing. Nothing wrong with that.

But this crap is absolutely ridiculous. There's always the one jerk in a frat who takes pledge hazing way too seriously, and this is a horrible extension of that but in what is supposed to be a professional setting.

In short, Incognito is a piece of rancid and should rot in hell.
Golic came across as a tool imo. I don't claim to know what goes on or the the mentality of an NFL locker room, I only played football and basketball in high school, however this is the NFL not Oz. He kept describing standing up to the bully and the need for more established players to have your back...ummm thats describing prison.

Jonathan Martin, a 2 year player, is going to stand up to a psychopath in Richie Incognito who by some idiotic stupidity was put on the leadership council!? Then after Incognito beats him down, he gets to deal with that plus whoever else was bullying him. Just because someone got a good education and isnt a toughguy wannabe doesnt mean he should have to put up with that or prove his worth by punching Incognito in the mouth.
 
Sidenote: Why did everyone want to crucify Riley Cooper but Incognito doesnt seem to be getting the racist label?

FWIW, I dont think either is a racist.
 
if you guys were following Pugh's career, (which i know youre not, hes dead to you because you cant figure out how he did without seeing a stat sheet) you wouldve read about the dinner the Offense went to in the City after an OTA or something. i dont think he had signed yet and the Giants arranged for a fake bill to come to the table with a bunch of hyped up charges totalling 10k or so. Eli said they just sat there and let him sweat it out a bit before giving up on the prank. it was much less, im sure he still paid.

thats good hazing.

incognito has issues.
 
Sidenote: Why did everyone want to crucify Riley Cooper but Incognito doesnt seem to be getting the racist label?

FWIW, I dont think either is a racist.

Not sure what you've been reading or watching but everyone on Sportscenter that aired around 7AM called him a racist.
 
Sidenote: Why did everyone want to crucify Riley Cooper but Incognito doesnt seem to be getting the racist label?

FWIW, I dont think either is a racist.
What the heck is your criteria for racist? If I left a (angry threatening) message on someones voicemail using the N word and was caught on tape using the N word while on a drunken tirade in a bar ... well quacks like a duck seems to me.
 
Sidenote: Why did everyone want to crucify Riley Cooper but Incognito doesnt seem to be getting the racist label?

FWIW, I dont think either is a racist.

I think there are different levels of racism. Do I think he's on par with 1960s Birmingham Police Chief Bull Connor, no I don't. But when you call a black person the N-word, I don't see any way around it. You're racist on some level.
 
I never understood what the bullies got out of it ? Was their life made better picking on the new guy? the weak guy? if you want to prove something go pick on someone at your level..ohh.what? doesnt happen? exactly...because they are too weak to go there themselves.

It is my experience that many bullies have self esteem issues and that picking on folks different then the norm makes them feel better about themselves. I have often thought it was kind of a drug like effect that once they start they simply cannot get enough of it.
 

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