Rickie Collins

[PhatOrange]

Your assumption is correct, he's unlikely to ever see the field here.

What's the knock on him?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It does happen quite often and if Collins can't get to at least being slightly below average, they have to probably move on in another game or 2. I don't really think Angeli will be back until summer camp and it would be nice if we know who the real #2 is by the end of the year.

With decent QB play we really should beat Pitt, UNC, BC. I don't think Collins will improve enough to be decent this year, if ever. And I doubt he stays to be QB2 for next year. So I don't see the upside in playing him past SMU, assuming we see more of the same.

With 2 weeks to prep for Pitt it is a great chance to get Carney or Williams up to speed. And it keeps the possibility of winning in play. I think if you play Collins vs Pitt, you can throw away any outside chance at a Bowl (again assuming SMU is the same Collins we have seen thus far). Also by moving on from Collins you can get your QB2 the next two seasons up to speed.

If Carney and Williams aren't any good, then what the heck was Fran thinking originally going into this season with a QB room of Collins, Carney, Williams?

That said I don't think Fran will make a change before UNC, and maybe not even then. There is a real possibility he can go from 13-4 to 13-12.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

With decent QB play we really should beat Pitt, UNC, BC. I don't think Collins will improve enough to be decent this year, if ever. And I doubt he stays to be QB2 for next year. So I don't see the upside in playing him past SMU, assuming we see more of the same.

With 2 weeks to prep for Pitt it is a great chance to get Carney or Williams up to speed. And it keeps the possibility of winning in play. I think if you play Collins vs Pitt, you can throw away any outside chance at a Bowl (again assuming SMU is the same Collins we have seen thus far). Also by moving on from Collins you can get your QB2 the next two seasons up to speed.

If Carney and Williams aren't any good, then what the heck was Fran thinking originally going into this season with a QB room of Collins, Carney, Williams?

That said I don't think Fran will make a change before UNC, and maybe not even then. There is a real possibility he can go from 13-4 to 13-12.

Qb recruiting is a real gamble, obviously they knew they had a problem after spring ball. I think it's safe to say Williams and most likely Collins ain't it. Carney way too early to tell, maybe he will get some snaps if Collins continues to struggle. Carney had been here since the spring.

People will raise a stink that Williams has never played etc but clearly the staff has had no issue recruiting over him a couple times. Just the way it goes some times. Writing is on the wall there but maybe they give him and Carney both some run

 

[RedtheGOB]

The problem is that we don’t have a shut down defense. If you’re not able to counter punch, then you’re constantly playing from behind which just makes things worse for a QB with challenges.

If we had a shut down defense then you could white knuckle to wins with Rickie but we need to come up with someone who can lead the offense to put points on the board.

If we have any hope of making a bowl this year I don’t think we can afford to dig a hole against Pitt. If we’re coming out of SMU 3-3 then Pitt is a must win.

The defense does not need to be shutdown in my opinion, really it never has been yet we've stacked alot of wins. From day 1 of the Fran Brown era the defense has been reliant on the offense to spark them or wake them up. They're fine usually playing from behind or with a lead but not if the offense is bad.

They are brutally terrible when the offense sputters, turns the ball over or has messy possessions. When the offense is even reasonable the defense comes up with stops and makes plays.

Guess we're both saying the defense is a mess but I'm trying to say the defense will step up and make plays if the offense at least is not so terrible.

 

[JeremyCuse]

What's the knock on him?

From what I have heard he just hasn't progressed to the point he could play at this level. Has not looked good in practice and I am not surprised Carney is ahead of him.

 

[OHIORANGES]

Don’t forget Eileen Collins.

I’ve met Bootsy. Obviously a very cool dude

 

[kingtidge]

Qb recruiting is a real gamble, obviously they knew they had a problem after spring ball. I think it's safe to say Williams and most likely Collins ain't it. Carney way too early to tell, maybe he will get some snaps if Collins continues to struggle. Carney had been here since the spring.

People will raise a stink that Williams has never played etc but clearly the staff has had no issue recruiting over him a couple times. Just the way it goes some times. Writing is on the wall there but maybe they give him and Carney both some run

Yeah, not sure if they realized they had a problem or not, as I'm not sure Fran would officially announce Collins as the # 1 in the Spring if he wasn't happy with his skill development and his plan was to immediately recruit over him in the Spring portal if possible??... Or maybe he just figured he's here and the best we got at the moment, so we'll announce it after Spring ball??

Obviously HCFB did what HCFB does and went after Angeli when he went into the portal, as you always upgrade where an if you can at skill positions (and especially QB) - if you can do it with the portal and have the NIL to do so nowadays...