Rickie Collins

[PhatOrange]

Your assumption is correct, he's unlikely to ever see the field here.

What's the knock on him?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It does happen quite often and if Collins can't get to at least being slightly below average, they have to probably move on in another game or 2. I don't really think Angeli will be back until summer camp and it would be nice if we know who the real #2 is by the end of the year.

With decent QB play we really should beat Pitt, UNC, BC. I don't think Collins will improve enough to be decent this year, if ever. And I doubt he stays to be QB2 for next year. So I don't see the upside in playing him past SMU, assuming we see more of the same.

With 2 weeks to prep for Pitt it is a great chance to get Carney or Williams up to speed. And it keeps the possibility of winning in play. I think if you play Collins vs Pitt, you can throw away any outside chance at a Bowl (again assuming SMU is the same Collins we have seen thus far). Also by moving on from Collins you can get your QB2 the next two seasons up to speed.

If Carney and Williams aren't any good, then what the heck was Fran thinking originally going into this season with a QB room of Collins, Carney, Williams?

That said I don't think Fran will make a change before UNC, and maybe not even then. There is a real possibility he can go from 13-4 to 13-12.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

With decent QB play we really should beat Pitt, UNC, BC. I don't think Collins will improve enough to be decent this year, if ever. And I doubt he stays to be QB2 for next year. So I don't see the upside in playing him past SMU, assuming we see more of the same.

With 2 weeks to prep for Pitt it is a great chance to get Carney or Williams up to speed. And it keeps the possibility of winning in play. I think if you play Collins vs Pitt, you can throw away any outside chance at a Bowl (again assuming SMU is the same Collins we have seen thus far). Also by moving on from Collins you can get your QB2 the next two seasons up to speed.

If Carney and Williams aren't any good, then what the heck was Fran thinking originally going into this season with a QB room of Collins, Carney, Williams?

That said I don't think Fran will make a change before UNC, and maybe not even then. There is a real possibility he can go from 13-4 to 13-12.

Qb recruiting is a real gamble, obviously they knew they had a problem after spring ball. I think it's safe to say Williams and most likely Collins ain't it. Carney way too early to tell, maybe he will get some snaps if Collins continues to struggle. Carney had been here since the spring.

People will raise a stink that Williams has never played etc but clearly the staff has had no issue recruiting over him a couple times. Just the way it goes some times. Writing is on the wall there but maybe they give him and Carney both some run

 

[RedtheGOB]

The problem is that we don’t have a shut down defense. If you’re not able to counter punch, then you’re constantly playing from behind which just makes things worse for a QB with challenges.

If we had a shut down defense then you could white knuckle to wins with Rickie but we need to come up with someone who can lead the offense to put points on the board.

If we have any hope of making a bowl this year I don’t think we can afford to dig a hole against Pitt. If we’re coming out of SMU 3-3 then Pitt is a must win.

The defense does not need to be shutdown in my opinion, really it never has been yet we've stacked alot of wins. From day 1 of the Fran Brown era the defense has been reliant on the offense to spark them or wake them up. They're fine usually playing from behind or with a lead but not if the offense is bad.

They are brutally terrible when the offense sputters, turns the ball over or has messy possessions. When the offense is even reasonable the defense comes up with stops and makes plays.

Guess we're both saying the defense is a mess but I'm trying to say the defense will step up and make plays if the offense at least is not so terrible.

 

[JeremyCuse]

What's the knock on him?

From what I have heard he just hasn't progressed to the point he could play at this level. Has not looked good in practice and I am not surprised Carney is ahead of him.

 

[OHIORANGES]

Don’t forget Eileen Collins.

I’ve met Bootsy. Obviously a very cool dude

 

[kingtidge]

Qb recruiting is a real gamble, obviously they knew they had a problem after spring ball. I think it's safe to say Williams and most likely Collins ain't it. Carney way too early to tell, maybe he will get some snaps if Collins continues to struggle. Carney had been here since the spring.

People will raise a stink that Williams has never played etc but clearly the staff has had no issue recruiting over him a couple times. Just the way it goes some times. Writing is on the wall there but maybe they give him and Carney both some run

Yeah, not sure if they realized they had a problem or not, as I'm not sure Fran would officially announce Collins as the # 1 in the Spring if he wasn't happy with his skill development and his plan was to immediately recruit over him in the Spring portal if possible??... Or maybe he just figured he's here and the best we got at the moment, so we'll announce it after Spring ball??

Obviously HCFB did what HCFB does and went after Angeli when he went into the portal, as you always upgrade where an if you can at skill positions (and especially QB) - if you can do it with the portal and have the NIL to do so nowadays...

 

[Archbold44]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

 

[kcsu]

Hopefully Rickie makes a nice jump in his second game. Nixon will need to do a better job and of course decent field position will make all the difference in the world. Dont give up on Rickie. He has talent he is just very raw. I think that he gets next week and the following game. If at that point he is still struggeling we might see a change. With might being less than 50%

 

[HRE Otto IV]

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I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

If Angeli is healthy in 2026 or 2027, then Carney can redshirt then. We actually need him now, assuming he is any good. And if he is not, then who cares about a RS?

 

[capeorange]

People keep posting about his first drive. That was an outlier. It took dook that long to figure Rickie out and that he's a one look wonder. They shut him down. There easily could have been more interceptions. If he is unable to look off defenders, he needs to be replaced.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Irishsecra1]

Yes Angeli wasnt that great in his first start this year.
But he was miles ahead of Collins.
His offense scored 26 on Tenn who has a really good D.
Collins could not get even 3 points against a bad Duke D.
Even when the Duke second teamers were in he still couldnt get a TD.

Also very disappointed with his interview.
Took no real responsibility for his performance.
Talked a lot about us and them. Not really any I or me.
Definitely forgot the accountable part of DART.

 

[Eric15]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

Good post. This is exactly where I am, also.

 

[Archbold44]

Man... Williams in a free fall. Competing with Belin for QB3 (which is really QB4).

 

[Cuse On 3]

Your assumption is correct, he's unlikely to ever see the field here.

Referring to carney or jakhari?

 

[Archbold44]

People keep posting about his first drive. That was an outlier. It took dook that long to figure Rickie out and that he's a one look wonder. They shut him down. There easily could have been more interceptions. If he is unable to look off defenders, he needs to be replaced.

For those of us who remember Bill Hurley, Todd Norley, Mike Kmetz, Billy Scharr, etc... football is a funny game. We have been far worse QBs than Rickie carve us up. Rickie may carve up some team he has no business doing that to. Not predicting a win... just saying hold on a bit before jumping off any tall buildings.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

For those of us who remember Bill Hurley, Todd Norley, Mike Kmetz, Billy Scharr, etc... football is a funny game. We have been far worse QBs than Rickie carve us up. Rickie may carve up some team he has no business doing that to. Not predicting a win... just saying hold on a bit before jumping off any tall buildings.

Bob Mitch, Steve Peach, Greg Christodoulu, etc...

 

[Cuse On 3]

From what I have heard he just hasn't progressed to the point he could play at this level. Has not looked good in practice and I am not surprised Carney is ahead of him.

Ah okay, makes sense. Thanks

 

[sufandu]

Just Google it, that's not true

I looked at his high school espn recruitng profile. They had him listed as a pocket passer.

 

[Archbold44]

Bob Mitch, Steve Peach, Greg Christodoulu, etc...

Forgot about Peach and Christodulu. We had some lean years at QB. And some lean year QBs still won a few games here and there.

 

[MGraves5]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

I think we give Ricky the SMU game and if he performs similar to the way he played vs Duke. Have an open QB competition during the bye week. That way if a switch is going to be made at least they'd have a little more practice time to get ready. Would rather have a new qb start at home vs Pitt after a bye week, than on the road at Ga Tech.

 

[capeorange]

For those of us who remember Bill Hurley, Todd Norley, Mike Kmetz, Billy Scharr, etc... football is a funny game. We have been far worse QBs than Rickie carve us up. Rickie may carve up some team he has no business doing that to. Not predicting a win... just saying hold on a bit before jumping off any tall buildings.

I'm more than old enough to remember them and more, sigh.
But I'm not getting off the ledge today.
Our defense is just too bad. Our lowest scoring opponent was Holly Cross at 14 points. We've had to score more than 24 points in every game we've won and the vast majority were over 30 points with many close games.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see Rickie carving anyone up.

 

[Archbold44]

I think we give Ricky the SMU game and if he performs similar to the way he played vs Duke. Have an open QB competition during the bye week. That way if a switch is going to be made at least they'd have a little more practice time to get ready. Would rather have a new qb start at home vs Pitt after a bye week, than on the road at Ga Tech.

Well, how about working in plays for Carney during the Pitt game, like how Marrone used Nassib when Paulus was QB1? "Rickie is our QB this year, stop asking" during the bye week... and then give some plays to Carney to see if he can move the team. Maybe even a drive if Rickie falters. Not sure how Pitt can devote time to preparing for a running QB with no tape on him at all and no expectation of him playing absent injury. And then, post-Pitt, future teams have to prepare for Carney and Rickie...

 

[Eric15]

I see Saturday as a big game for Fran. All the DART and not showering stuff is cute, but what I want him to show us is, can you calibrate a game plan that maximizes our chances of winning with the roster that we have. If that means a more run heavy offense, maybe some Wildcat, creative run plays to receivers to get them out in space, whatever. And the defense needs to take responsibility for themselves and play exactly like they did vs Clemson.

Two years ago Dino didn’t have a human on the roster who could play quarterback and we beat Pitt at Yankee Stadium using a completely outside the box game plan.

Fran doesn’t have it nearly that bad right now. Rickie came into the Clemson game totally cold, threw a TD pass, made some critical throws, and saved the game. The season is not over.