Shafer

[djorange1989]

I am going to say this one last time.
Scott Shafer won the lottery. No school was going to give him an HC job when Syracuse under Dr. Gross went for a cheap continuation hire.

Shafer wasn't hired to start a rebuild. He was hired to continue being mediocre. He went backwards,
He got millions of dollars and was sent away before we became fully GRob again.

He was an embrassment low rent coach against ACC coaches.

We got what we paid for from Shafer. His 3 years set the program back 5 years.

Our best player last year was a grad transfer that Dino brought in. That is an indictment on Shafer.

Scott Shafer could be the best human on the planet earth for all I care his hiring was a gigantic mistake.

Best post ever

 

[djorange1989]

Shafer took over a program that was doing ok. Like I said above, 20 wins in the previous 3 years, and 2 bowl games. 7-5, 5-7, 8-5 in the last 3 years of Marrone. If Shafer had continued that, people wouldn't have wanted him out after 2-3 years.

I very rarely remember us getting absolutely blown out in the Marrone years. Even when we were clearly outclassed, we usually hung around and kept the game respectable.

Even in year one of Shafer, we got absolutely destroyed 2-3 times. Marrone wasn't losing 56-0 to anybody, let alone Georgia Tech. It was clear by year 2 of Shafer that things were headed south. Team looked awful and we were routinely getting embarrassed. Then it continued in year 3.

We were destroyed 4 times in 2013. Clemson and FSU were understandable. Tech and Northwestern not so much. Shafer is a very good DC but was a stiff as the head man, that simple. Anyone who would hire Joe Freakin' Adam into an alleged P5 program has his head up his arse

 

[NineOneSeven]

To continue my previous post- 2012 roster. PTG and Jerome Smith rushed for 2,000 total yards and 12 touchdowns (add in 5 from AAM at goalline). Both averaged 5 yards per carry. Add either one to this roster and how much better is our running game? I get the line was better but it's not even close.

We fall in love with the "high octane" offense (at least the theory of it), which utilizes so much more passing than rushing -- we saw too much low scoring, ground and pound, grind out games under Shafer-- but the fact is, when you can rush the football, it just makes things so much easier and your offense so much more dynamic.

What's funny is you think when you have 3 or 4 wideout sets, it would be easier to run the ball because you cannot stack the box on D. We aren't seeing that. It's indicating our oline and RB situation just isn't good. Right now..

 

[HOFCeluck]

Our best player last year was a grad transfer that Dino brought in

Our best player last year was a grad transfer that Dino brought in

Our best player last year was a grad transfer that Dino brought in

 

[CousCuse]

Shafer took over a program that was doing ok. Like I said above, 20 wins in the previous 3 years, and 2 bowl games. 7-5, 5-7, 8-5 in the last 3 years of Marrone. If Shafer had continued that, people wouldn't have wanted him out after 2-3 years.

I very rarely remember us getting absolutely blown out in the Marrone years. Even when we were clearly outclassed, we usually hung around and kept the game respectable.

Even in year one of Shafer, we got absolutely destroyed 2-3 times. Marrone wasn't losing 56-0 to anybody, let alone Georgia Tech. It was clear by year 2 of Shafer that things were headed south. Team looked awful and we were routinely getting embarrassed. Then it continued in year 3.

Shafer was the coach when SU went up in class.

 

[OrangeDW]

...that didn't even start for Maryland. Not Florida State. Maryland.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Just to re-emphasize this...

That's scary!

 

[NineOneSeven]

Last year we don't beat Uconn without AET dominating an NFL level CB.

 

[OrangeDW]

Shafer was the coach when SU went up in class.

The league schedule went up in class. Marrone' last year we played USC, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Missouri non-league so the overall schedule was just as tough.

Getting hammered by FSU and Clemson wasn't the problem. Getting hammered by GT, Duke, Pitt, Northwestern, BC was though. Those teams weren't a step up from what we played both in the BE and in the OOC from 2009-2012.

 

[RMH44]

To continue my previous post- 2012 roster. PTG and Jerome Smith rushed for 2,000 total yards and 12 touchdowns (add in 5 from AAM at goalline). Both averaged 5 yards per carry. Add either one to this roster and how much better is our running game? I get the line was better but it's not even close.

We fall in love with the "high octane" offense (at least the theory of it), which utilizes so much more passing than rushing -- we saw too much low scoring, ground and pound, grind out games under Shafer-- but the fact is, when you can rush the football, it just makes things so much easier and your offense so much more dynamic.

What's funny is you think when you have 3 or 4 wideout sets, it would be easier to run the ball because you cannot stack the box on D. We aren't seeing that. It's indicating our oline and RB situation just isn't good. Right now..

Absolutely agree. Football boils down to running the ball effectively (which sets up everything else) and stopping the run. HCDB has preached this since day one.

 

[TheCusian]

When he gets to 15 wins on or better beore the end of Season 3 he will have passed Shafer in the only metric that matters at this level of football - wins. Still to early to tell whether he can actually do it or not. Only time and playing the games will answer that question.

All due respect, but if that were the only metric that mattered Shafer would still be here.

It's not 15 wins in 3 years. That's a made up bar that you're imposing. So if we're doing that here are mine:

- does this system on O and D give us a higher chance to win?
- is recruiting trending in the right direction?
- do I have confidence in the HC's ability to do his job?

Babers, by my count can check all of those (even with this weeks setback) measures except the D and Shafer failed at them, including the D.

Besides the point - but any AD worth is salt is using w/l along with these questions. There is enough variation between strength of schedule, even a numbers guy like you should not put all of your eggs in the w/l basket IMO.

 

[CanadianSU]

Listen I did like Shafer as a person. I really did. But he still has this attitude that he was done wrong by being fired here. He went 7-17 in which the coaching decisions in those games were absolutely atrocious.

Him with a cigar in his mouth (also inside a building not that it really matters but it adds to the arrogance as he knew someone would see him) is just plain bush league.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Listen I did like Shafer as a person. I really did. But he still has this attitude that he was done wrong by being fired here. He went 7-17 in which the coaching decisions in those games were absolutely atrocious.

Him with a cigar in his mouth (also inside a building not that it really matters but it adds to the arrogance as he knew someone would see him) is just plain bush league.

Is 7-17 league record? We definitely won a bowl game one year with him. Maybe his last two years?

 

[rrlbees]

I am going to say this one last time.
Scott Shafer won the lottery. No school was going to give him an HC job when Syracuse under Dr. Gross went for a cheap continuation hire.

Shafer wasn't hired to start a rebuild. He was hired to continue being mediocre. He went backwards,
He got millions of dollars and was sent away before we became fully GRob again.

He was an embrassment low rent coach against ACC coaches.

We got what we paid for from Shafer. His 3 years set the program back 5 years.

Our best player last year was a grad transfer that Dino brought in. That is an indictment on Shafer.

Scott Shafer could be the best human on the planet earth for all I care his hiring was a gigantic mistake.

That post has nothing to do with what you were replying to. You two were talking about recruiting.

 

[CanadianSU]

Is 7-17 league record? We definitely won a bowl game one year with him. Maybe his last two years?

Ah something like that. Was one of my buddy's talking points after the game... the 7-17 thing so that's probably why I keep mentioning it might not be correct though.

Regardless he didn't win a lot here

 

[Alsacs]

That post has nothing to do with what you were replying to. You two were talking about recruiting.

With Shafer people it doesn't matter what you say they will spin whatever into the guy wasn't given enough time or recruiting takes time.

My point was an overall summation of the Scott Shafer hiring and Era.

It was stupid to hire him and we have paid dearly for it. I don't care how good a man he is.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Best post ever

So then why isn't everyone putting this debacle on Gross? Gross hired the guy. Isn't it his fault?

 

[djorange1989]

With Shafer people it doesn't matter what you say they will spin whatever into the guy wasn't given enough time or recruiting takes time.

My point was an overall summation of the Scott Shafer hiring and Era.

It was stupid to hire him and we have paid dearly for it. I don't care how good a man he is.

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[Alsacs]

So then why isn't everyone putting this debacle on Gross? Gross hired the guy. Isn't it his fault?

Gross lost his job.
Gross deserves blame for hiring Shafer.
He went cheap.
Hackett vs. Shafer and Gross chose Shafer.
Gross didn't get to pick Shafer's replacement.

Shafer people(not directing this at you) have to get over the fact he only got 3 years. When the guy was lucky to even get the job.

He wasn't on the radar of MAC schools to be a HC and he was given a P5 job as his first HC job. It was beyond stupid and I said it then.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Gross lost his job.
Gross deserves blame for hiring Shafer.
He went cheap.
Hackett vs. Shafer and Gross chose Shafer.
Gross didn't get to pick Shafer's replacement.

Shafer people(not directing this at you) have to get over the fact he only got 3 years. When the guy was lucky to even get the job.

He wasn't on the radar of MAC schools to be a HC and he was given a P5 job as his first HC job. It was beyond stupid and I said it then.

Gross lost his job because of the basketball sanctions, not because of his totally stupid hire of Shafer.

With regard to Missy's behavior or Scott's cigar or his players' behavior all I can say is that if anyone felt it would be any different, they weren't thinking. Shafer was humiliated by Coyle and yesterday was his chance for a big FU.

 

[HOFCeluck]

This may not be a popular opinion buuuuuut...

Complaining about class is for losers.

 

[Trueblue25]

Shafer's the definition of a non-factor.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Coyle leaving SU was embarrassing.

Hopefully, we can all move past FHCSS. He has moved on. The players have had their moment with him. They will move on.

It's time to focus on Central Michigan. They look pretty good. Wasn't our last game against CMU the game where the CMU player laid out into a malicious late hit on Dungey's head? Somehow we won that game anyway, but it was a major blow for Dungey and it hurt the team for the remainder of that season.

 

[rrlbees]

Gross lost his job because of the basketball sanctions, not because of his totally stupid hire of Shafer.

With regard to Missy's behavior or Scott's cigar or his players' behavior all I can say is that if anyone felt it would be any different, they weren't thinking. Shafer was humiliated by Coyle and yesterday was his chance for a big FU.

Instead of a FU with a win, he humiliated himself.

 

[Alsacs]

Gross lost his job because of the basketball sanctions, not because of his totally stupid hire of Shafer.

With regard to Missy's behavior or Scott's cigar or his players' behavior all I can say is that if anyone felt it would be any different, they weren't thinking. Shafer was humiliated by Coyle and yesterday was his chance for a big FU.

Humiliated are you kidding me?

The guy went 7-17 his last 2 years.
He was humiliated now?

Shafer should shut the hell up and be glad he got the freaking job to start with.

Make him HC for life my god. Another year wasn't going to turn it around. We made a mistake giving GRob year 4. A mistake needs to be rectified as early as possible. Screw that guy if he felt humiliated. Go get another P5 school to hire him.